Logan Mailloux is coming!!

[TheJackBurton]

Not a fan of this deal at all.

Mailloux will be lucky to hold down a roster spot much less be worth tradng Bolduc.

What are you basing that on?

My opinion. How do you feel about the deal? What do you base that on?

It's a deal that dealt with a deficiency we have, hell that the entire league has, for a player that had an incredibly solid second half of the season and could continue to excel but at a position we have a massive surplus of.

We can't do the "we need to trade for a right handed Dman" then when Army does immediately go "not like that"

[TheJackBurton]

to those worried he's going to start the year in the minors:

Lou Korac
@lkorac10
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18m
Doug Armstrong on acquiring Logan Mailloux: "He's an excellent skater, got an excellent shot. ... We think he's NHL-ready now. I talked to him, I told him he'll have the opportunity to ... he has a job now. It's his job to come into camp and keep it." #stlblues

Interesting. So clearly they’re already slotting him ahead of Kessel and at least one of Leddy/Tucker as well it seems. Pretty much have him penciled in as the 3RD.

Fowler-Parayko
Broberg-Faulk
Leddy/Tucker-Mailloux
Tucker/Leddy as the 7th?

Kessel…I suppose on the outside looking in again.

And of course, that’s how it looks as of today. Maybe they trade Leddy and then it looks a little clearer. Idk.

I think they trade Leddy. He is just redundant at this point, if Tucker is healthy.

[kimzey59]

to those worried he's going to start the year in the minors:

Lou Korac
@lkorac10
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18m
Doug Armstrong on acquiring Logan Mailloux: "He's an excellent skater, got an excellent shot. ... We think he's NHL-ready now. I talked to him, I told him he'll have the opportunity to ... he has a job now. It's his job to come into camp and keep it." #stlblues

Interesting. So clearly they’re already slotting him ahead of Kessel and at least one of Leddy/Tucker as well it seems. Pretty much have him penciled in as the 3RD.

Fowler-Parayko
Broberg-Faulk
Leddy/Tucker-Mailloux
Tucker/Leddy as the 7th?

Kessel…I suppose on the outside looking in again.

And of course, that’s how it looks as of today. Maybe they trade Leddy and then it looks a little clearer. Idk.

I think they trade Leddy. He is just redundant at this point, if Tucker is healthy.

I'd much rather hang to Leddy as a "veteran mentor" type for Tucker and Mailloux. Neither one of them really has a track record back there.

If you want to dump some salary; move Joseph.

[MiamiLaw]

We can't do the "we need to trade for a right handed Dman" then when Army does immediately go "not like that"

Why? Just because the Blues are weak at RHD, the team gets carte blanche to make whatever trade they want and is beyond analysis as to value? I think this is just gatekeeping to prevent dissent.

It's a gamble. The Blues took on more risk. I don't see how you deny either of those two things.

[bluetunehead]

If this trade had occurred a year ago nobody would be up in arms about the perceived value. Two first rounders from the same draft class getting swapped to balance out their teams areas of need.

The reaction is entirely because Bolduc had a decent rookie season (the second half at least) in the NHL and Mailloux has largely been in the AHL (doing well fwiw).

[Pierre McGuire]

We can't do the "we need to trade for a right handed Dman" then when Army does immediately go "not like that"

Why? Just because the Blues are weak at RHD, the team gets carte blanche to make whatever trade they want and is beyond analysis as to value? I think this is just gatekeeping to prevent dissent.

It's a gamble. The Blues took on more risk. I don't see how you deny either of those two things.

They have a high paid staff that discusses these things in detail. They believe in the kid...thats all that matters. Why don't you believe in him? What is your reasoning? Because he's a 22 year old dman with limited NHL experience?

[MiamiLaw]

We can't do the "we need to trade for a right handed Dman" then when Army does immediately go "not like that"

Why? Just because the Blues are weak at RHD, the team gets carte blanche to make whatever trade they want and is beyond analysis as to value? I think this is just gatekeeping to prevent dissent.

It's a gamble. The Blues took on more risk. I don't see how you deny either of those two things.

They have a high paid staff that discusses these things in detail. They believe in the kid...thats all that matters. Why don't you believe in him? What is your reasoning? Because he's a 22 year old dman with limited NHL experience?

It's not that I don't believe in him. I am not qualified to say much about him because I've never seen him play. My issue here is solely based on the trade itself. Trading a player in Bolduc that I viewed as very promising and who showed a lot of valuable tools over an extended NHL period for a guy that is still basically unproven is not ideal to me. The Blues were not backed into a corner here. If it was Stenberg, I honestly wouldn't have batted an eye (though some seem to think otherwise as far as his value).

I hope LM kills it of course. I am judging this only in the trade context.

[skilles]

2 things that I consider ... Dmen take a while but if Mailloux reaches his full potential and becomes top 4 in a year and a 1st pairing dman 3 years from now (pushing an aging 55 down to 2nd or 3rd pair), Bolduc will have to be a superstar to be as valuable. Also, we all should be pretty excited about Stenberg possibly in a year and a year or 2 after that hopefully Carbonneau. There are others who could pop too. Futurecast, we might look back on this as a really good day.

The hard thing that almost all of us are dealing with today is that obviously Bolduc is an exciting young player. I will miss watching him grow into a really good player here.
Today it looks like a huge risk ... sometimes risks payoff. We will see.

My problem is not the player but I think we outbid ourselves.

Right. I see that possibility for sure. But if he ends up being a core top 4 guy here and we have success, it won't be a problem. Trades are not won or lost on the day of the trade especially when the trade involves a pair of 22 year olds.
I would guess that Stenberg was too young for montreal and the Blues weren't trading away snuggerud, holloway or dvorsky.

I kind of disagree with that, trading more than it takes to get a player is bad no matter how he turns out.

I just don't think they get that return from anyone else.

I mean sure though it will be easier to live with if he turns out great but my point is if you trade a 1st round pick for a 2nd round pick its a bad trade no matter how the players picked turn out.

I actually think the opposite. If I trade a 1st rounder for Nick Lidstrom (53rd overall), I probably won that trade. I am just kind of giving a crazy example of course. But to me, the whole thing isn't about winning the trade on initial value. We don't know the value that these 2 players actually have yet. The Blues don't make the trade if they don't think he will help the team more than Bolduc moving forward. They might be right. I hope they are. But yes, I am hurting a bit because I saw a ton of value in Bolduc. We will know in a few years is my viewpoint.

Yeah I don't think you did, you traded more than it took to get the 53rd......that is always bad.

Edit: I guess I shouldn't say you lost but you paid more than necessary which is bad.

[Unfathomable]

We can't do the "we need to trade for a right handed Dman" then when Army does immediately go "not like that"

Why? Just because the Blues are weak at RHD, the team gets carte blanche to make whatever trade they want and is beyond analysis as to value? I think this is just gatekeeping to prevent dissent.

It's a gamble. The Blues took on more risk. I don't see how you deny either of those two things.

They have a high paid staff that discusses these things in detail. They believe in the kid...thats all that matters. Why don't you believe in him? What is your reasoning? Because he's a 22 year old dman with limited NHL experience?

It's not that I don't believe in him. I am not qualified to say much about him because I've never seen him play. My issue here is solely based on the trade itself. Trading a player in Bolduc that I viewed as very promising and who showed a lot of valuable tools over an extended NHL period for a guy that is still basically unproven is not ideal to me. The Blues were not backed into a corner here. If it was Stenberg, I honestly wouldn't have batted an eye (though some seem to think otherwise as far as his value).

I hope LM kills it of course. I am judging this only in the trade context.

I think i would of rathered this trade centered around neighbour's but probably wasn't enough to get it done..

I guess I would be considered comfortably uncomfortable about this deal I think we have a chance to win it long term but I do think as constructed currently the team took a step back today heading into next year..

[skilles]

Not a fan of this deal at all.

Mailloux will be lucky to hold down a roster spot much less be worth tradng Bolduc.

What are you basing that on?

My opinion. How do you feel about the deal? What do you base that on?

It's a deal that dealt with a deficiency we have, hell that the entire league has, for a player that had an incredibly solid second half of the season and could continue to excel but at a position we have a massive surplus of.

We can't do the "we need to trade for a right handed Dman" then when Army does immediately go "not like that"

That is the silliest thing Ive read all day.

Just because I want RD doesn't mean I have to like any trade for any RD.

I believe 100% had I suggested this exact trade yesterday almost everyone on here would have thought I was stupid.

[Bubble4427]

2 things that I consider ... Dmen take a while but if Mailloux reaches his full potential and becomes top 4 in a year and a 1st pairing dman 3 years from now (pushing an aging 55 down to 2nd or 3rd pair), Bolduc will have to be a superstar to be as valuable. Also, we all should be pretty excited about Stenberg possibly in a year and a year or 2 after that hopefully Carbonneau. There are others who could pop too. Futurecast, we might look back on this as a really good day.

The hard thing that almost all of us are dealing with today is that obviously Bolduc is an exciting young player. I will miss watching him grow into a really good player here.
Today it looks like a huge risk ... sometimes risks payoff. We will see.

My problem is not the player but I think we outbid ourselves.

What do you think we should have traded instead of Bolduc?
Seriously, 22 yr old defenseman that weigh 220 lbs and shoot right handed are the most scarce stock in the NHL.
Blues were heavy on the wing.
What would you have given?

Well you named all the good things but I don't know if you have heard there are also some bad things or at least some devaluations.

All I can tell you is I would not have done Bolduc and yes I may have lost the deal but I would have stood firm on that and believe they would have taken less.

Again, what do you think Montreal would have taken? What do you think was fair value?
They didn’t need a defenseman.
Kyrou? (At 8 million for 6 more years)
Snuggs?
Neighbors?
Do you think they would have taken Texier? (No way in He11)
The Blues didn’t have ANYTHING of value that matched up with Montreals needs.
There were 4 RD in the NHL last year under the age of 25 that scored 30 points.
This kid is 22. You gotta give up value to get it. I trust Army and his scouting department.

[TheJackBurton]

We can't do the "we need to trade for a right handed Dman" then when Army does immediately go "not like that"

Why? Just because the Blues are weak at RHD, the team gets carte blanche to make whatever trade they want and is beyond analysis as to value? I think this is just gatekeeping to prevent dissent.

It's a gamble. The Blues took on more risk. I don't see how you deny either of those two things.

Ok let me ask it this way:

Were we getting a young right handed dman for our scraps? No

If we were getting anything of substance something of substance was going to have to go the other way.

I mean if all we needed was a RHD man and didn't want to give up anything, make the trade with the Isles for Scott Mayfield and call it a day, but that doesn't do anything for us.

We weren't trading Snuggerud, we couldn't trade Buch or Kyrou, we weren't trading Dvorsky, we weren't trading Neighbours, and Montreal obviously wanted someone who was an NHL body. Who does that leave?

[skilles]

2 things that I consider ... Dmen take a while but if Mailloux reaches his full potential and becomes top 4 in a year and a 1st pairing dman 3 years from now (pushing an aging 55 down to 2nd or 3rd pair), Bolduc will have to be a superstar to be as valuable. Also, we all should be pretty excited about Stenberg possibly in a year and a year or 2 after that hopefully Carbonneau. There are others who could pop too. Futurecast, we might look back on this as a really good day.

The hard thing that almost all of us are dealing with today is that obviously Bolduc is an exciting young player. I will miss watching him grow into a really good player here.
Today it looks like a huge risk ... sometimes risks payoff. We will see.

My problem is not the player but I think we outbid ourselves.

What do you think we should have traded instead of Bolduc?
Seriously, 22 yr old defenseman that weigh 220 lbs and shoot right handed are the most scarce stock in the NHL.
Blues were heavy on the wing.
What would you have given?

Well you named all the good things but I don't know if you have heard there are also some bad things or at least some devaluations.

All I can tell you is I would not have done Bolduc and yes I may have lost the deal but I would have stood firm on that and believe they would have taken less.

Again, what do you think Montreal would have taken? What do you think was fair value?
They didn’t need a defenseman.
Kyrou? (At 8 million for 6 more years)
Snuggs?
Neighbors?
Do you think they would have taken Texier? (No way in He11)
The Blues didn’t have ANYTHING of value that matched up with Montreals needs.
There were 4 RD in the NHL last year under the age of 25 that scored 30 points.
This kid is 22. You gotta give up value to get it. I trust Army and his scouting department.

I am 100% sure had I suggested this trade yesterday most of you would have thought I was stupid.

[skilles]

We can't do the "we need to trade for a right handed Dman" then when Army does immediately go "not like that"

Why? Just because the Blues are weak at RHD, the team gets carte blanche to make whatever trade they want and is beyond analysis as to value? I think this is just gatekeeping to prevent dissent.

It's a gamble. The Blues took on more risk. I don't see how you deny either of those two things.

Ok let me ask it this way:

Were we getting a young right handed dman for our scraps? No

If we were getting anything of substance something of substance was going to have to go the other way.

I mean if all we needed was a RHD man and didn't want to give up anything, make the trade with the Isles for Scott Mayfield and call it a day, but that doesn't do anything for us.

We weren't trading Snuggerud, we couldn't trade Buch or Kyrou, we weren't trading Dvorsky, we weren't trading Neighbours, and Montreal obviously wanted someone who was an NHL body. Who does that leave?

lol of course Montreal wanted an NHL ready young goal scorer, that doesn't mean they were getting one.

[TheJackBurton]

Not a fan of this deal at all.

Mailloux will be lucky to hold down a roster spot much less be worth tradng Bolduc.

What are you basing that on?

My opinion. How do you feel about the deal? What do you base that on?

It's a deal that dealt with a deficiency we have, hell that the entire league has, for a player that had an incredibly solid second half of the season and could continue to excel but at a position we have a massive surplus of.

We can't do the "we need to trade for a right handed Dman" then when Army does immediately go "not like that"

That is the silliest thing Ive read all day.

Just because I want RD doesn't mean I have to like any trade for any RD.

I believe 100% had I suggested this exact trade yesterday almost everyone on here would have thought I was stupid.

yet that has been the exact reaction.

Yes Dags, Cole and a 3rd is still funny from time to time, but we aren't dealing with idiots anymore, we actually have to trade something of significance to get something of significance.

The difference yesterday would have been instead of Bolduc it would have been Kyrou, and based on the reaction people would have been completely fine with it.

[MiamiLaw]

We can't do the "we need to trade for a right handed Dman" then when Army does immediately go "not like that"

Why? Just because the Blues are weak at RHD, the team gets carte blanche to make whatever trade they want and is beyond analysis as to value? I think this is just gatekeeping to prevent dissent.

It's a gamble. The Blues took on more risk. I don't see how you deny either of those two things.

Ok let me ask it this way:

Were we getting a young right handed dman for our scraps? No

If we were getting anything of substance something of substance was going to have to go the other way.

I mean if all we needed was a RHD man and didn't want to give up anything, make the trade with the Isles for Scott Mayfield and call it a day, but that doesn't do anything for us.

We weren't trading Snuggerud, we couldn't trade Buch or Kyrou, we weren't trading Dvorsky, we weren't trading Neighbours, and Montreal obviously wanted someone who was an NHL body. Who does that leave?

Why does it need to be MTL? Why does it need to be now? The problem with what you're asking is that it assumes the Blues needed to make a trade for a RHD right now and it had to be with the Habs. I certainly did not say anything about trading scraps for value. Like I said, replace Bolduc with Stenberg and I am saying what you're saying.

But I am 100% with skilles on this. The Blues overpaid. They took on more risk. Bolduc 100% has more value right now than LM. Like skilles said, if he proposes this trade yesterday, at least 90% of the board says he's a moron.