Marchand staying in FLA

[Unfathomable]

On Marchand 6-year contract: Front-loaded with $1M in base salary each season and the rest in signing bonus. AAV is $5.25M.
NMC clause first four seasons and then two seasons with partial no trade.

https://x.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1939 ... tcEOQ&s=19

[Pierre McGuire]

Lol signing a 37 year old to a 6 year deal. This is so obviously [nonsense], but nothing will happen.

What's the problem? Why does something need to happen?

Because Ryan Suter was the oldest skater in the NHL this year at 39-40 years old. Marchand is supposed to play until he’s 43? Please. This is cap circumvention.

Cap circumvention? That’s called keeping the most important players for another cup run. That’s how you run a team.

It’s cap circumvention when you sign a player below market value to play 3 years longer than any current NHLer.

Nobody forced Marchand to sign the contract. He signed where he wanted to play because he knows he can win there.

Marchand gets paid the same either way. Why would he have to be forced? The point is that Florida gets around the cap by paying him less now than other teams would have, knowing there is little chance he’ll actually play the full length and they can LTIR him at the end.

Let me know when the NHL punishes them for cap circumvention

[Red7]

Don’t tell me a tax free state doesn’t make a difference.

Doesn’t seem to be helping the Marlins or Rays all that much.

[zamadoo]

Lol signing a 37 year old to a 6 year deal. This is so obviously [nonsense], but nothing will happen.

What's the problem? Why does something need to happen?

Because Ryan Suter was the oldest skater in the NHL this year at 39-40 years old. Marchand is supposed to play until he’s 43? Please. This is cap circumvention.

Cap circumvention? That’s called keeping the most important players for another cup run. That’s how you run a team.

It’s cap circumvention when you sign a player below market value to play 3 years longer than any current NHLer.

Nobody forced Marchand to sign the contract. He signed where he wanted to play because he knows he can win there.

Marchand gets paid the same either way. Why would he have to be forced? The point is that Florida gets around the cap by paying him less now than other teams would have to knowing there is little chance he’ll actually play the full thing and they can LTIR him at the end.

What if Marchand signed 6 years with a different team as a UFA?

I would call it cap circumvention.

"The point is that Florida gets around the cap by paying him less now than other teams would have to"

Well if that's the point, and every team has the same opportunity, then I disagree.

[thegibby.]

They might win 3 more cups…nobody will even care when they have to dismantle it at that point. They might also have a center or two that’s available now for a pretty low price. Know any teams looking for one?

They wouldn’t trade lundell, would they?

Luostarinen- Lundell- Marchand were too good.

Luostarinen- Lundell 1st P.K.

[bluetunehead]

Lol signing a 37 year old to a 6 year deal. This is so obviously [nonsense], but nothing will happen.

What's the problem? Why does something need to happen?

Because Ryan Suter was the oldest skater in the NHL this year at 39-40 years old. Marchand is supposed to play until he’s 43? Please. This is cap circumvention.

Cap circumvention? That’s called keeping the most important players for another cup run. That’s how you run a team.

It’s cap circumvention when you sign a player below market value to play 3 years longer than any current NHLer.

Nobody forced Marchand to sign the contract. He signed where he wanted to play because he knows he can win there.

Marchand gets paid the same either way. Why would he have to be forced? The point is that Florida gets around the cap by paying him less now than other teams would have to knowing there is little chance he’ll actually play the full thing and they can LTIR him at the end.

What if Marchand signed 6 years with a different team as a UFA?

I would call it cap circumvention.

"The point is that Florida gets around the cap by paying him less now than other teams would have to"

Well if that's the point, and every team has the same opportunity, then I disagree.

You can substitute any team. It’s cap circumvention because it breaks the spirit of the salary cap. You’re paying a player over a longer period of time than you reasonably expect him to play. Non-rich teams can’t really afford to do that. The Blues could not do that. If this was Vegas everyone would be screaming about it.

[SameOldBlues]

Florida’s trying to to keep their team together to increase their chances of winning more Cups by signing their players to contracts within the rules all teams play by? SHAME ON THEM

[bluetunehead]

Florida’s trying to to keep their team together to increase their chances of winning more Cups by signing their players to contracts within the rules all teams play by? SHAME ON THEM

There was no explicit rule against Kovalchuk signing a 17 year contract either.

[Blue Sabbath]

How exactly are they affording this?

They now have ZERO cap space with Marchand signing and they only have 12 fowards signed & 6 defenseman & only 1 goalie

I can't believe no one has addressed this. I'm wondering the same. Both posts must've been overlooked.

[SameOldBlues]

Florida’s trying to to keep their team together to increase their chances of winning more Cups by signing their players to contracts within the rules all teams play by? SHAME ON THEM

There was no explicit rule against Kovalchuk signing a 17 year contract either.

I guess I dont get what one has to do with the other. Noone’s breakin the rules so more power to the teams and management who are willing to do whatever it takes to enhance their chances of winning.

[IsDurbanodoingtime]

Lol signing a 37 year old to a 6 year deal. This is so obviously [nonsense], but nothing will happen.

What's the problem? Why does something need to happen?

Because Ryan Suter was the oldest skater in the NHL this year at 39-40 years old. Marchand is supposed to play until he’s 43? Please. This is cap circumvention.

Cap circumvention? That’s called keeping the most important players for another cup run. That’s how you run a team.

It’s cap circumvention when you sign a player below market value to play 3 years longer than any current NHLer.

Nobody forced Marchand to sign the contract. He signed where he wanted to play because he knows he can win there.

Marchand gets paid the same either way. Why would he have to be forced? The point is that Florida gets around the cap by paying him less now than other teams would have to knowing there is little chance he’ll actually play the full thing and they can LTIR him at the end.

What if Marchand signed 6 years with a different team as a UFA?

I would call it cap circumvention.

"The point is that Florida gets around the cap by paying him less now than other teams would have to"

Well if that's the point, and every team has the same opportunity, then I disagree.

You can substitute any team. It’s cap circumvention because it breaks the spirit of the salary cap. You’re paying a player over a longer period of time than you reasonably expect him to play. Non-rich teams can’t really afford to do that. The Blues could not do that. If this was Vegas everyone would be screaming about it.

Understood but there is a problem predefining an age limit for a nhl player contract. It's age discrimination and violates a whole host of statutes federally and locally in the states and Canada. You cannot in effect say you can't play over a certain age. There is nothing wrong with penalties to deal on the backend with cap circumvention but on the front end it is extremely problematic.

[bluetunehead]

Lol signing a 37 year old to a 6 year deal. This is so obviously [nonsense], but nothing will happen.

What's the problem? Why does something need to happen?

Because Ryan Suter was the oldest skater in the NHL this year at 39-40 years old. Marchand is supposed to play until he’s 43? Please. This is cap circumvention.

Cap circumvention? That’s called keeping the most important players for another cup run. That’s how you run a team.

It’s cap circumvention when you sign a player below market value to play 3 years longer than any current NHLer.

Nobody forced Marchand to sign the contract. He signed where he wanted to play because he knows he can win there.

Marchand gets paid the same either way. Why would he have to be forced? The point is that Florida gets around the cap by paying him less now than other teams would have to knowing there is little chance he’ll actually play the full thing and they can LTIR him at the end.

What if Marchand signed 6 years with a different team as a UFA?

I would call it cap circumvention.

"The point is that Florida gets around the cap by paying him less now than other teams would have to"

Well if that's the point, and every team has the same opportunity, then I disagree.

You can substitute any team. It’s cap circumvention because it breaks the spirit of the salary cap. You’re paying a player over a longer period of time than you reasonably expect him to play. Non-rich teams can’t really afford to do that. The Blues could not do that. If this was Vegas everyone would be screaming about it.

Understood but there is a problem predefining an age limit for a nhl player contract. It's age discrimination and violates a whole host of statutes federally and locally in the states and Canada. You cannot in effect say you can't play over a certain age. There is nothing wrong with penalties to deal on the backend with cap circumvention but on the front end it is extremely problematic.

I mean the CBA can have all sorts of provisions about player ages and contracts as long as the NHLPA agrees. The NHL is not normal employment. Contracts for all 35+ players are different as is. Part of why the infamous Kovalchuk deal was voided was that it lasted until he was 44, which was longer than anyone expected him to play. The backdiving nature of the money on that one was egregious, but wealthy teams can do essentially the same by using LTIR now. That’s how this contract will almost certainly end, with Marchand on LTIR for several years making millions to not play. That absolutely should be considered cap circumvention when it’s clear as day from the start what is going on.

[Backesdraft]

Don’t tell me a tax free state doesn’t make a difference.

Doesn’t seem to be helping the Marlins or Rays all that much.

Not to be a jerk, but if you’re comparing the current financial state of the NHL to the current financial state of the MLB then I suggest you do a little Googling and educate yourself.

[TAFKAP]

I mean the CBA can have all sorts of provisions about player ages and contracts as long as the NHLPA agrees. The NHL is not normal employment. Contracts for all 35+ players are different as is. Part of why the infamous Kovalchuk deal was voided was that it lasted until he was 44, which was longer than anyone expected him to play. The backdiving nature of the money on that one was egregious, but wealthy teams can do essentially the same by using LTIR now. That’s how this contract will almost certainly end, with Marchand on LTIR for several years making millions to not play. That absolutely should be considered cap circumvention when it’s clear as day from the start what is going on.

The Kovalchuk contract was before the cap on years (obviously) and the Cap Recapture Penalty (this deal was the reason for it). The age at the end wasn't the big sticking point that made it "Cap Circumvention" it was the fact that it paid out in the first 10 years with the last 7 being league minimum. He had no intentions of playing almost half of that contract. He "retired" 3 years later.

[IsDurbanodoingtime]

What's the problem? Why does something need to happen?

Because Ryan Suter was the oldest skater in the NHL this year at 39-40 years old. Marchand is supposed to play until he’s 43? Please. This is cap circumvention.

Cap circumvention? That’s called keeping the most important players for another cup run. That’s how you run a team.

It’s cap circumvention when you sign a player below market value to play 3 years longer than any current NHLer.

Nobody forced Marchand to sign the contract. He signed where he wanted to play because he knows he can win there.

Marchand gets paid the same either way. Why would he have to be forced? The point is that Florida gets around the cap by paying him less now than other teams would have to knowing there is little chance he’ll actually play the full thing and they can LTIR him at the end.

What if Marchand signed 6 years with a different team as a UFA?

I would call it cap circumvention.

"The point is that Florida gets around the cap by paying him less now than other teams would have to"

Well if that's the point, and every team has the same opportunity, then I disagree.

You can substitute any team. It’s cap circumvention because it breaks the spirit of the salary cap. You’re paying a player over a longer period of time than you reasonably expect him to play. Non-rich teams can’t really afford to do that. The Blues could not do that. If this was Vegas everyone would be screaming about it.

Understood but there is a problem predefining an age limit for a nhl player contract. It's age discrimination and violates a whole host of statutes federally and locally in the states and Canada. You cannot in effect say you can't play over a certain age. There is nothing wrong with penalties to deal on the backend with cap circumvention but on the front end it is extremely problematic.

I mean the CBA can have all sorts of provisions about player ages and contracts as long as the NHLPA agrees. The NHL is not normal employment. Contracts for all 35+ players are different as is. Part of why the infamous Kovalchuk deal was voided was that it lasted until he was 44, which was longer than anyone expected him to play. The backdiving nature of the money on that one was egregious, but wealthy teams can do essentially the same by using LTIR now. That’s how this contract will almost certainly end, with Marchand on LTIR for several years making millions to not play. That absolutely should be considered cap circumvention when it’s clear as day from the start what is going on.

The NHL is not immune from compliance with employment statutes. Sure the Union and the league can agree to a whole host of rules as collective bargaining partners but what they cannot due is implement rules that violate employment statutes. Any rule installing an age limit on a contract clearly violates the ADEA as the criteria is based solely on age. Same analogy you couldn't have a contract rule that said black or Hispanic players are not eligible for contracts as that would clearly violate civil rights statutes.

[BalotelliMassive]