Report: Canadiens among teams interested in Kyrou

[moose-and-squirrel]

They needed a rd and they got him. They need a 2c more than us. Unless they are trading Demidov or Reinbacher and Mailloux (at a minimum), what do they have that we would remotely want for Kyrou?

If they don't have a good 2C to spare...
Here is praying Holloway continues to help Kyrou become a "Real Boy".

Hey Harry - serious question - I find a lot of your posts to be really informative and your views on Kyrou are pretty clear. I'm just curious - is there anything Kyrou could do to win you over as a fan? What is he lacking, in your opinion? Or is this the Berube thing?

**disclaimer - I'm legit curious and not trying to start a fight. He's probably my favorite player on the Blues so I'd like to understand the opposite perspective.

Thanks for the courteous response.
I went through four phases with Kyrou and I grow weary of the lack iof consistency.

Phase One- he came up with skills that could make your goddanged jaw drop (and he still can... when he f#(bleep) feels like it). This peaked at the All Star-Game where he was awarded "Fastest Skater". He was a Superstar waiting to happen. He got an 8.125 Million a year deal for 8 years.

Suddenly, he became disinterested in doing any dirty work and in playing anything remotely resembling "good two-way hockey". He was on a line with Thomas, and they stuck together.
This is Phase Two, and it didn't take forever for the Chief, Mr. Craig Berube, to call him out on it face-to-face after a game. Kyrou ignored Chief's advice and the team was ... mortifying to watch as Chief was fired and a Minor League Coach was brought in to coddle the younger generation of players. I HATED Kyrou at this point. I felt the success and money had turned his head and his play was stomach turning quite often as he failed to get the puck in deep, trying for slick plays that would make the evening podcasts and resulted in turnovers and pucks in the back of our net. His physicality was non-existent.

Bannister did take Kyrou off Thomas line and forced Buchnevich to center for him, dig pucks out for him, and cover for him as much as possible. This was my least favorite time as a Blues fan in recent memory. However, being a Blues fan, even as I cursed his gutless nonchalance I could see some sparks of improvement. I believe the tears he squeezed out were a genuine reaction to being unmercifully boo'd by his home town crowd. However, I don't think he was remotely close to fixing things anytime soon- if ever.
Then, he gets put on a line with Holloway.
Suddenly, Jordan Kyrou is on a line with a forward his own size... who can totally embarrass him, as Holloway is almost as fast and offensively gifted as Kyrou, but in stark and glowing contrast, takes great pleasure in punishing opponents when it suits his purpose. He also plays all three zones in this tenacious manner, and his poise and confidence are admirable.
This is Phase Three as Kyrou makes his move to become a remarkable story of growth and redemption.
I LOVE this Kyrou.

Hollway gets injured. Phase Four.
Kyrou reverts to the pitiful perimeter ghost he was during Phase Two.
He turned my stomach for most of the playoffs, and Game Seven will be hard for me to ever forget.


As I have said several times, if Kyrou remains a Blue, we COULD see a continuation of the growth he achieved before Holloway's injry.
That would be Jim Dandy, but its a hard way to root for an adult hockey player. If it sticks, rooting for Kyrou will be easy..
If.

Thanks Harry - appreciate your thoughts! I hope his play eventually wins you (back) over . . and continues to justify the Tshirt I bought

Or maybe people don’t focus on their hatred of ONE player.
This is starting to remind me of ol smelly with his singular focus on Army

Please do myself and many others a huge favor- watch a game closely.
Don't follow the puck and look for goals and hits. Watch the game as if you knew how it should be played.
I have a pretty open mind. That is why I have waffled on Kyrou, but my waffling is another thing you have missed because you aren’t paying close attention.
I appreciate your enthusiasm as a hockey fan, but don’t condemn folks who call it like it actually is.

I’ve been watching the game for 50 years, so I know how it should be played, but thanks.
I’ve also been on this forum for a while and have seen your opinions go back and forth, so yes that was noticed too.
You are a very passionate fan as well, and that’s fantastic, but it just appears like the only time you post in the last few months is to complain about 25. It gets old. There’s a big beautiful hockey team besides just him.

I don’t recall much back and forth. Just like most of us, we saw Kyrou playing lazily and uninspired hocked before he cried to the fans. He then picked up his game and played a much more well rounded game- actually tried away from the puck. That series with the Jets he was back to his old ways. Maybe it was mostly after he got rocked by the giant on the jets, but he gave up and to me that is what gets old. It’s a roll of the dice to bet on him developing into a playoff asset for a post season boat anchor. I personally hope they move him for an equally talented player that plays passionately and not beer league type of game.

yup... I'd take another Neighbors, thankyouverymuch.. and I'm not a Kyrou hater

[Sudsy 11]

They needed a rd and they got him. They need a 2c more than us. Unless they are trading Demidov or Reinbacher and Mailloux (at a minimum), what do they have that we would remotely want for Kyrou?

If they don't have a good 2C to spare...
Here is praying Holloway continues to help Kyrou become a "Real Boy".

Hey Harry - serious question - I find a lot of your posts to be really informative and your views on Kyrou are pretty clear. I'm just curious - is there anything Kyrou could do to win you over as a fan? What is he lacking, in your opinion? Or is this the Berube thing?

**disclaimer - I'm legit curious and not trying to start a fight. He's probably my favorite player on the Blues so I'd like to understand the opposite perspective.

Thanks for the courteous response.
I went through four phases with Kyrou and I grow weary of the lack iof consistency.

Phase One- he came up with skills that could make your goddanged jaw drop (and he still can... when he f#(bleep) feels like it). This peaked at the All Star-Game where he was awarded "Fastest Skater". He was a Superstar waiting to happen. He got an 8.125 Million a year deal for 8 years.

Suddenly, he became disinterested in doing any dirty work and in playing anything remotely resembling "good two-way hockey". He was on a line with Thomas, and they stuck together.
This is Phase Two, and it didn't take forever for the Chief, Mr. Craig Berube, to call him out on it face-to-face after a game. Kyrou ignored Chief's advice and the team was ... mortifying to watch as Chief was fired and a Minor League Coach was brought in to coddle the younger generation of players. I HATED Kyrou at this point. I felt the success and money had turned his head and his play was stomach turning quite often as he failed to get the puck in deep, trying for slick plays that would make the evening podcasts and resulted in turnovers and pucks in the back of our net. His physicality was non-existent.

Bannister did take Kyrou off Thomas line and forced Buchnevich to center for him, dig pucks out for him, and cover for him as much as possible. This was my least favorite time as a Blues fan in recent memory. However, being a Blues fan, even as I cursed his gutless nonchalance I could see some sparks of improvement. I believe the tears he squeezed out were a genuine reaction to being unmercifully boo'd by his home town crowd. However, I don't think he was remotely close to fixing things anytime soon- if ever.
Then, he gets put on a line with Holloway.
Suddenly, Jordan Kyrou is on a line with a forward his own size... who can totally embarrass him, as Holloway is almost as fast and offensively gifted as Kyrou, but in stark and glowing contrast, takes great pleasure in punishing opponents when it suits his purpose. He also plays all three zones in this tenacious manner, and his poise and confidence are admirable.
This is Phase Three as Kyrou makes his move to become a remarkable story of growth and redemption.
I LOVE this Kyrou.

Hollway gets injured. Phase Four.
Kyrou reverts to the pitiful perimeter ghost he was during Phase Two.
He turned my stomach for most of the playoffs, and Game Seven will be hard for me to ever forget.


As I have said several times, if Kyrou remains a Blue, we COULD see a continuation of the growth he achieved before Holloway's injry.
That would be Jim Dandy, but its a hard way to root for an adult hockey player. If it sticks, rooting for Kyrou will be easy..
If.

Harry, you are not alone in your opinion about Kyrou. My thoughts are almost identical to yours. If he remains a Blue, I'll root for the Phase 3 version you refer to. We'll see if anything happens in the next few days. Kyrou is not "a kid" anymore. He is 27 years old.

[Zizzle1297]

if there is any truth to MTL be interested in Kyrou. I be asking for either, Mailloux or Reinbacher( I doubt theyd trade Guhle), then Kirby Dach (hes still young) yes i know hes oft injuried but worth the gamble. and maybe next years 1st.

[moose-and-squirrel]

if there is any truth to MTL be interested in Kyrou. I be asking for either, Mailloux or Reinbacher( I doubt theyd trade Guhle), then Kirby Dach (hes still young) yes i know hes oft injuried but worth the gamble. and maybe next years 1st.

I'd do this deal

[thegibby.]

if there is any truth to MTL be interested in Kyrou. I be asking for either, Mailloux or Reinbacher( I doubt theyd trade Guhle), then Kirby Dach (hes still young) yes i know hes oft injuried but worth the gamble. and maybe next years 1st.

there were the Dach rumours started by their GMs remarks.

https://www.habsfanatics.com/nhl-team/m ... peculation

...still only 24yr old Kirby Dach (C 6-4 221) and one of 6-3 207 RHDman 20yr old Reinbacher or RHDman 6-3 213 22yr old Mailloux would be outstanding.

[moose-and-squirrel]

if there is any truth to MTL be interested in Kyrou. I be asking for either, Mailloux or Reinbacher( I doubt theyd trade Guhle), then Kirby Dach (hes still young) yes i know hes oft injuried but worth the gamble. and maybe next years 1st.

there were the Dach rumours started by their GMs remarks.

https://www.habsfanatics.com/nhl-team/m ... peculation

...still only 24yr old Kirby Dach (C 6-4 221) and one of 6-3 207 RHDman 20yr old Reinbacher or RHDman 6-3 213 22yr old Mailloux would be outstanding.

yup... anyway to send em Leddy too?

[ManitobaBlues]

They needed a rd and they got him. They need a 2c more than us. Unless they are trading Demidov or Reinbacher and Mailloux (at a minimum), what do they have that we would remotely want for Kyrou?

If they don't have a good 2C to spare...
Here is praying Holloway continues to help Kyrou become a "Real Boy".

Hey Harry - serious question - I find a lot of your posts to be really informative and your views on Kyrou are pretty clear. I'm just curious - is there anything Kyrou could do to win you over as a fan? What is he lacking, in your opinion? Or is this the Berube thing?

**disclaimer - I'm legit curious and not trying to start a fight. He's probably my favorite player on the Blues so I'd like to understand the opposite perspective.

Thanks for the courteous response.
I went through four phases with Kyrou and I grow weary of the lack iof consistency.

Phase One- he came up with skills that could make your goddanged jaw drop (and he still can... when he f#(bleep) feels like it). This peaked at the All Star-Game where he was awarded "Fastest Skater". He was a Superstar waiting to happen. He got an 8.125 Million a year deal for 8 years.

Suddenly, he became disinterested in doing any dirty work and in playing anything remotely resembling "good two-way hockey". He was on a line with Thomas, and they stuck together.
This is Phase Two, and it didn't take forever for the Chief, Mr. Craig Berube, to call him out on it face-to-face after a game. Kyrou ignored Chief's advice and the team was ... mortifying to watch as Chief was fired and a Minor League Coach was brought in to coddle the younger generation of players. I HATED Kyrou at this point. I felt the success and money had turned his head and his play was stomach turning quite often as he failed to get the puck in deep, trying for slick plays that would make the evening podcasts and resulted in turnovers and pucks in the back of our net. His physicality was non-existent.

Bannister did take Kyrou off Thomas line and forced Buchnevich to center for him, dig pucks out for him, and cover for him as much as possible. This was my least favorite time as a Blues fan in recent memory. However, being a Blues fan, even as I cursed his gutless nonchalance I could see some sparks of improvement. I believe the tears he squeezed out were a genuine reaction to being unmercifully boo'd by his home town crowd. However, I don't think he was remotely close to fixing things anytime soon- if ever.
Then, he gets put on a line with Holloway.
Suddenly, Jordan Kyrou is on a line with a forward his own size... who can totally embarrass him, as Holloway is almost as fast and offensively gifted as Kyrou, but in stark and glowing contrast, takes great pleasure in punishing opponents when it suits his purpose. He also plays all three zones in this tenacious manner, and his poise and confidence are admirable.
This is Phase Three as Kyrou makes his move to become a remarkable story of growth and redemption.
I LOVE this Kyrou.

Hollway gets injured. Phase Four.
Kyrou reverts to the pitiful perimeter ghost he was during Phase Two.
He turned my stomach for most of the playoffs, and Game Seven will be hard for me to ever forget.


As I have said several times, if Kyrou remains a Blue, we COULD see a continuation of the growth he achieved before Holloway's injry.
That would be Jim Dandy, but its a hard way to root for an adult hockey player. If it sticks, rooting for Kyrou will be easy..
If.

Thanks Harry - appreciate your thoughts! I hope his play eventually wins you (back) over . . and continues to justify the Tshirt I bought

Or maybe people don’t focus on their hatred of ONE player.
This is starting to remind me of ol smelly with his singular focus on Army

Please do myself and many others a huge favor- watch a game closely.
Don't follow the puck and look for goals and hits. Watch the game as if you knew how it should be played.
I have a pretty open mind. That is why I have waffled on Kyrou, but my waffling is another thing you have missed because you aren’t paying close attention.
I appreciate your enthusiasm as a hockey fan, but don’t condemn folks who call it like it actually is.

I’ve been watching the game for 50 years, so I know how it should be played, but thanks.
I’ve also been on this forum for a while and have seen your opinions go back and forth, so yes that was noticed too.
You are a very passionate fan as well, and that’s fantastic, but it just appears like the only time you post in the last few months is to complain about 25. It gets old. There’s a big beautiful hockey team besides just him.

You’re absolutely right to challenge the conversation and bring it back to a real hockey discussion. Let’s get into it — and honestly.

If Jordan Kyrou had played in the Stanley Cup Final against Florida the same way he did against the Jets, it would have been a liability. There’s no sugar-coating that. His play in that series — whether due to effort, decision-making, or both — left a lot to be desired. Yes, he has elite skill and top-end speed, but if he’s not engaged or dialed in defensively, it becomes a net negative against a grinding, relentless team like Florida.

Florida punishes mistakes. They eat up passive shifts. Kyrou floating, losing battles, or not tracking back would have been magnified under that kind of pressure. It’s not just about scoring — and in the Jets series, even that wasn’t consistent. The margin for error in the Final is razor thin, and players who don’t buy in 200 feet get exposed.

You said watching the game for 50 years, the game has changed. Speed and skill matter more than ever, but so do buy-in, intensity, and adaptability. Kyrou hasn't consistently shown those in playoff situations. And while he’s still relatively young and developing, how long can a team wait for a guy to “get it” when there are others willing to sacrifice and execute now?

So, if you can move him for a player who brings high hockey IQ, playoff effort, and a good cap hit — you do it. Skill is replaceable. Playoff fire and two-way commitment aren’t.

Good hockey talk. Let’s keep it going.

[TheJackBurton]

if there is any truth to MTL be interested in Kyrou. I be asking for either, Mailloux or Reinbacher( I doubt theyd trade Guhle), then Kirby Dach (hes still young) yes i know hes oft injuried but worth the gamble. and maybe next years 1st.

there were the Dach rumours started by their GMs remarks.

https://www.habsfanatics.com/nhl-team/m ... peculation

...still only 24yr old Kirby Dach (C 6-4 221) and one of 6-3 207 RHDman 20yr old Reinbacher or RHDman 6-3 213 22yr old Mailloux would be outstanding.

yup... anyway to send em Leddy too?

Probably have to attach a pick to it

[netboy65]

They needed a rd and they got him. They need a 2c more than us. Unless they are trading Demidov or Reinbacher and Mailloux (at a minimum), what do they have that we would remotely want for Kyrou?

If they don't have a good 2C to spare...
Here is praying Holloway continues to help Kyrou become a "Real Boy".

Hey Harry - serious question - I find a lot of your posts to be really informative and your views on Kyrou are pretty clear. I'm just curious - is there anything Kyrou could do to win you over as a fan? What is he lacking, in your opinion? Or is this the Berube thing?

**disclaimer - I'm legit curious and not trying to start a fight. He's probably my favorite player on the Blues so I'd like to understand the opposite perspective.

Thanks for the courteous response.
I went through four phases with Kyrou and I grow weary of the lack iof consistency.

Phase One- he came up with skills that could make your goddanged jaw drop (and he still can... when he f#(bleep) feels like it). This peaked at the All Star-Game where he was awarded "Fastest Skater". He was a Superstar waiting to happen. He got an 8.125 Million a year deal for 8 years.

Suddenly, he became disinterested in doing any dirty work and in playing anything remotely resembling "good two-way hockey". He was on a line with Thomas, and they stuck together.
This is Phase Two, and it didn't take forever for the Chief, Mr. Craig Berube, to call him out on it face-to-face after a game. Kyrou ignored Chief's advice and the team was ... mortifying to watch as Chief was fired and a Minor League Coach was brought in to coddle the younger generation of players. I HATED Kyrou at this point. I felt the success and money had turned his head and his play was stomach turning quite often as he failed to get the puck in deep, trying for slick plays that would make the evening podcasts and resulted in turnovers and pucks in the back of our net. His physicality was non-existent.

Bannister did take Kyrou off Thomas line and forced Buchnevich to center for him, dig pucks out for him, and cover for him as much as possible. This was my least favorite time as a Blues fan in recent memory. However, being a Blues fan, even as I cursed his gutless nonchalance I could see some sparks of improvement. I believe the tears he squeezed out were a genuine reaction to being unmercifully boo'd by his home town crowd. However, I don't think he was remotely close to fixing things anytime soon- if ever.
Then, he gets put on a line with Holloway.
Suddenly, Jordan Kyrou is on a line with a forward his own size... who can totally embarrass him, as Holloway is almost as fast and offensively gifted as Kyrou, but in stark and glowing contrast, takes great pleasure in punishing opponents when it suits his purpose. He also plays all three zones in this tenacious manner, and his poise and confidence are admirable.
This is Phase Three as Kyrou makes his move to become a remarkable story of growth and redemption.
I LOVE this Kyrou.

Hollway gets injured. Phase Four.
Kyrou reverts to the pitiful perimeter ghost he was during Phase Two.
He turned my stomach for most of the playoffs, and Game Seven will be hard for me to ever forget.


As I have said several times, if Kyrou remains a Blue, we COULD see a continuation of the growth he achieved before Holloway's injry.
That would be Jim Dandy, but its a hard way to root for an adult hockey player. If it sticks, rooting for Kyrou will be easy..
If.

Thanks Harry - appreciate your thoughts! I hope his play eventually wins you (back) over . . and continues to justify the Tshirt I bought

Or maybe people don’t focus on their hatred of ONE player.
This is starting to remind me of ol smelly with his singular focus on Army

Please do myself and many others a huge favor- watch a game closely.
Don't follow the puck and look for goals and hits. Watch the game as if you knew how it should be played.
I have a pretty open mind. That is why I have waffled on Kyrou, but my waffling is another thing you have missed because you aren’t paying close attention.
I appreciate your enthusiasm as a hockey fan, but don’t condemn folks who call it like it actually is.

I’ve been watching the game for 50 years, so I know how it should be played, but thanks.
I’ve also been on this forum for a while and have seen your opinions go back and forth, so yes that was noticed too.
You are a very passionate fan as well, and that’s fantastic, but it just appears like the only time you post in the last few months is to complain about 25. It gets old. There’s a big beautiful hockey team besides just him.

You’re absolutely right to challenge the conversation and bring it back to a real hockey discussion. Let’s get into it — and honestly.

If Jordan Kyrou had played in the Stanley Cup Final against Florida the same way he did against the Jets, it would have been a liability. There’s no sugar-coating that. His play in that series — whether due to effort, decision-making, or both — left a lot to be desired. Yes, he has elite skill and top-end speed, but if he’s not engaged or dialed in defensively, it becomes a net negative against a grinding, relentless team like Florida.

Florida punishes mistakes. They eat up passive shifts. Kyrou floating, losing battles, or not tracking back would have been magnified under that kind of pressure. It’s not just about scoring — and in the Jets series, even that wasn’t consistent. The margin for error in the Final is razor thin, and players who don’t buy in 200 feet get exposed.

You said watching the game for 50 years, the game has changed. Speed and skill matter more than ever, but so do buy-in, intensity, and adaptability. Kyrou hasn't consistently shown those in playoff situations. And while he’s still relatively young and developing, how long can a team wait for a guy to “get it” when there are others willing to sacrifice and execute now?

So, if you can move him for a player who brings high hockey IQ, playoff effort, and a good cap hit — you do it. Skill is replaceable. Playoff fire and two-way commitment aren’t.

Good hockey talk. Let’s keep it going.

Not going to dispute much you said, but JK has skill that you can’t teach, and has made huge strides the last couple years. He didn’t appear to be the same guy after that hit, and had we advanced, would a different opponent made a difference? We’ll never know, but I’m not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
I guess my biggest beef is for all his supposed shortcomings in that series, where were Thomas, Buch and our other top guys? When the 4th line is your best line, that’s an issue across the board. Seems like Kyrou is the only one that catches flak however.

[hockey jedi]

I'm a big Kyrou fan. I believe he really cares about the team and wants to be the player Blues management wants. However, if we could get Reinbacher and Malloux plus, the time to trade Kyrou is now. He's a really good player. We will miss his scoring and speed but buy low and sell high. The acquisition of Holloway, the emergence of Neighbors, Bolduc and Snuggerud and our forward prospect pool make this possible.

[ManitobaBlues]

They needed a rd and they got him. They need a 2c more than us. Unless they are trading Demidov or Reinbacher and Mailloux (at a minimum), what do they have that we would remotely want for Kyrou?

If they don't have a good 2C to spare...
Here is praying Holloway continues to help Kyrou become a "Real Boy".

Hey Harry - serious question - I find a lot of your posts to be really informative and your views on Kyrou are pretty clear. I'm just curious - is there anything Kyrou could do to win you over as a fan? What is he lacking, in your opinion? Or is this the Berube thing?

**disclaimer - I'm legit curious and not trying to start a fight. He's probably my favorite player on the Blues so I'd like to understand the opposite perspective.

Thanks for the courteous response.
I went through four phases with Kyrou and I grow weary of the lack iof consistency.

Phase One- he came up with skills that could make your goddanged jaw drop (and he still can... when he f#(bleep) feels like it). This peaked at the All Star-Game where he was awarded "Fastest Skater". He was a Superstar waiting to happen. He got an 8.125 Million a year deal for 8 years.

Suddenly, he became disinterested in doing any dirty work and in playing anything remotely resembling "good two-way hockey". He was on a line with Thomas, and they stuck together.
This is Phase Two, and it didn't take forever for the Chief, Mr. Craig Berube, to call him out on it face-to-face after a game. Kyrou ignored Chief's advice and the team was ... mortifying to watch as Chief was fired and a Minor League Coach was brought in to coddle the younger generation of players. I HATED Kyrou at this point. I felt the success and money had turned his head and his play was stomach turning quite often as he failed to get the puck in deep, trying for slick plays that would make the evening podcasts and resulted in turnovers and pucks in the back of our net. His physicality was non-existent.

Bannister did take Kyrou off Thomas line and forced Buchnevich to center for him, dig pucks out for him, and cover for him as much as possible. This was my least favorite time as a Blues fan in recent memory. However, being a Blues fan, even as I cursed his gutless nonchalance I could see some sparks of improvement. I believe the tears he squeezed out were a genuine reaction to being unmercifully boo'd by his home town crowd. However, I don't think he was remotely close to fixing things anytime soon- if ever.
Then, he gets put on a line with Holloway.
Suddenly, Jordan Kyrou is on a line with a forward his own size... who can totally embarrass him, as Holloway is almost as fast and offensively gifted as Kyrou, but in stark and glowing contrast, takes great pleasure in punishing opponents when it suits his purpose. He also plays all three zones in this tenacious manner, and his poise and confidence are admirable.
This is Phase Three as Kyrou makes his move to become a remarkable story of growth and redemption.
I LOVE this Kyrou.

Hollway gets injured. Phase Four.
Kyrou reverts to the pitiful perimeter ghost he was during Phase Two.
He turned my stomach for most of the playoffs, and Game Seven will be hard for me to ever forget.


As I have said several times, if Kyrou remains a Blue, we COULD see a continuation of the growth he achieved before Holloway's injry.
That would be Jim Dandy, but its a hard way to root for an adult hockey player. If it sticks, rooting for Kyrou will be easy..
If.

Thanks Harry - appreciate your thoughts! I hope his play eventually wins you (back) over . . and continues to justify the Tshirt I bought

Or maybe people don’t focus on their hatred of ONE player.
This is starting to remind me of ol smelly with his singular focus on Army

Please do myself and many others a huge favor- watch a game closely.
Don't follow the puck and look for goals and hits. Watch the game as if you knew how it should be played.
I have a pretty open mind. That is why I have waffled on Kyrou, but my waffling is another thing you have missed because you aren’t paying close attention.
I appreciate your enthusiasm as a hockey fan, but don’t condemn folks who call it like it actually is.

I’ve been watching the game for 50 years, so I know how it should be played, but thanks.
I’ve also been on this forum for a while and have seen your opinions go back and forth, so yes that was noticed too.
You are a very passionate fan as well, and that’s fantastic, but it just appears like the only time you post in the last few months is to complain about 25. It gets old. There’s a big beautiful hockey team besides just him.

You’re absolutely right to challenge the conversation and bring it back to a real hockey discussion. Let’s get into it — and honestly.

If Jordan Kyrou had played in the Stanley Cup Final against Florida the same way he did against the Jets, it would have been a liability. There’s no sugar-coating that. His play in that series — whether due to effort, decision-making, or both — left a lot to be desired. Yes, he has elite skill and top-end speed, but if he’s not engaged or dialed in defensively, it becomes a net negative against a grinding, relentless team like Florida.

Florida punishes mistakes. They eat up passive shifts. Kyrou floating, losing battles, or not tracking back would have been magnified under that kind of pressure. It’s not just about scoring — and in the Jets series, even that wasn’t consistent. The margin for error in the Final is razor thin, and players who don’t buy in 200 feet get exposed.

You said watching the game for 50 years, the game has changed. Speed and skill matter more than ever, but so do buy-in, intensity, and adaptability. Kyrou hasn't consistently shown those in playoff situations. And while he’s still relatively young and developing, how long can a team wait for a guy to “get it” when there are others willing to sacrifice and execute now?

So, if you can move him for a player who brings high hockey IQ, playoff effort, and a good cap hit — you do it. Skill is replaceable. Playoff fire and two-way commitment aren’t.

Good hockey talk. Let’s keep it going.

Not going to dispute much you said, but JK has skill that you can’t teach, and has made huge strides the last couple years. He didn’t appear to be the same guy after that hit, and had we advanced, would a different opponent made a difference? We’ll never know, but I’m not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
I guess my biggest beef is for all his supposed shortcomings in that series, where were Thomas, Buch and our other top guys? When the 4th line is your best line, that’s an issue across the board. Seems like Kyrou is the only one that catches flak however.

I think both of these points hit home for a lot of Blues fans.

The Incident with Berube – When Kyrou barked back at Chief after being called out, it was a tough look — especially with how public it was. Guys like McDavid, MacKinnon, or Ovechkin — players who are elite and have earned that respect — don’t usually react that way, even when emotions run high. For Kyrou, who’s still trying to prove himself in terms of leadership and consistency, it came across as immature. Fans expect professionalism, especially on national TV. The right move is to take the criticism, go into the locker room, and show the response on the ice. That’s how you earn respect — not just from coaches, but from your teammates and the fanbase.

Three Coaches Trying to “Reach” Him – That’s a big concern for a guy pulling in $8 million a year. At that salary, there’s an expectation that you get it — you understand the work ethic, the consistency, and what it takes to lead by example every night. If it takes three different coaches to figure out how to motivate you, that doesn’t scream franchise cornerstone. When you compare it to someone like Sam Bennett — who plays a heavy, gritty game and shows up when it matters most — the contrast is pretty stark. Kyrou’s skill isn’t in question, but the complete package — effort, accountability, and reliability — hasn’t always aligned with the contract.

And that’s the frustration. You want to root for a guy with that kind of raw talent, but when the buy-in doesn’t feel all the way there, it’s hard to fully get behind him.

[dhsux]

They needed a rd and they got him. They need a 2c more than us. Unless they are trading Demidov or Reinbacher and Mailloux (at a minimum), what do they have that we would remotely want for Kyrou?

If they don't have a good 2C to spare...
Here is praying Holloway continues to help Kyrou become a "Real Boy".

Hey Harry - serious question - I find a lot of your posts to be really informative and your views on Kyrou are pretty clear. I'm just curious - is there anything Kyrou could do to win you over as a fan? What is he lacking, in your opinion? Or is this the Berube thing?

**disclaimer - I'm legit curious and not trying to start a fight. He's probably my favorite player on the Blues so I'd like to understand the opposite perspective.

Thanks for the courteous response.
I went through four phases with Kyrou and I grow weary of the lack iof consistency.

Phase One- he came up with skills that could make your goddanged jaw drop (and he still can... when he f#(bleep) feels like it). This peaked at the All Star-Game where he was awarded "Fastest Skater". He was a Superstar waiting to happen. He got an 8.125 Million a year deal for 8 years.

Suddenly, he became disinterested in doing any dirty work and in playing anything remotely resembling "good two-way hockey". He was on a line with Thomas, and they stuck together.
This is Phase Two, and it didn't take forever for the Chief, Mr. Craig Berube, to call him out on it face-to-face after a game. Kyrou ignored Chief's advice and the team was ... mortifying to watch as Chief was fired and a Minor League Coach was brought in to coddle the younger generation of players. I HATED Kyrou at this point. I felt the success and money had turned his head and his play was stomach turning quite often as he failed to get the puck in deep, trying for slick plays that would make the evening podcasts and resulted in turnovers and pucks in the back of our net. His physicality was non-existent.

Bannister did take Kyrou off Thomas line and forced Buchnevich to center for him, dig pucks out for him, and cover for him as much as possible. This was my least favorite time as a Blues fan in recent memory. However, being a Blues fan, even as I cursed his gutless nonchalance I could see some sparks of improvement. I believe the tears he squeezed out were a genuine reaction to being unmercifully boo'd by his home town crowd. However, I don't think he was remotely close to fixing things anytime soon- if ever.
Then, he gets put on a line with Holloway.
Suddenly, Jordan Kyrou is on a line with a forward his own size... who can totally embarrass him, as Holloway is almost as fast and offensively gifted as Kyrou, but in stark and glowing contrast, takes great pleasure in punishing opponents when it suits his purpose. He also plays all three zones in this tenacious manner, and his poise and confidence are admirable.
This is Phase Three as Kyrou makes his move to become a remarkable story of growth and redemption.
I LOVE this Kyrou.

Hollway gets injured. Phase Four.
Kyrou reverts to the pitiful perimeter ghost he was during Phase Two.
He turned my stomach for most of the playoffs, and Game Seven will be hard for me to ever forget.


As I have said several times, if Kyrou remains a Blue, we COULD see a continuation of the growth he achieved before Holloway's injry.
That would be Jim Dandy, but its a hard way to root for an adult hockey player. If it sticks, rooting for Kyrou will be easy..
If.

Thanks Harry - appreciate your thoughts! I hope his play eventually wins you (back) over . . and continues to justify the Tshirt I bought

Or maybe people don’t focus on their hatred of ONE player.
This is starting to remind me of ol smelly with his singular focus on Army

Please do myself and many others a huge favor- watch a game closely.
Don't follow the puck and look for goals and hits. Watch the game as if you knew how it should be played.
I have a pretty open mind. That is why I have waffled on Kyrou, but my waffling is another thing you have missed because you aren’t paying close attention.
I appreciate your enthusiasm as a hockey fan, but don’t condemn folks who call it like it actually is.

I’ve been watching the game for 50 years, so I know how it should be played, but thanks.
I’ve also been on this forum for a while and have seen your opinions go back and forth, so yes that was noticed too.
You are a very passionate fan as well, and that’s fantastic, but it just appears like the only time you post in the last few months is to complain about 25. It gets old. There’s a big beautiful hockey team besides just him.

You’re absolutely right to challenge the conversation and bring it back to a real hockey discussion. Let’s get into it — and honestly.

If Jordan Kyrou had played in the Stanley Cup Final against Florida the same way he did against the Jets, it would have been a liability. There’s no sugar-coating that. His play in that series — whether due to effort, decision-making, or both — left a lot to be desired. Yes, he has elite skill and top-end speed, but if he’s not engaged or dialed in defensively, it becomes a net negative against a grinding, relentless team like Florida.

Florida punishes mistakes. They eat up passive shifts. Kyrou floating, losing battles, or not tracking back would have been magnified under that kind of pressure. It’s not just about scoring — and in the Jets series, even that wasn’t consistent. The margin for error in the Final is razor thin, and players who don’t buy in 200 feet get exposed.

You said watching the game for 50 years, the game has changed. Speed and skill matter more than ever, but so do buy-in, intensity, and adaptability. Kyrou hasn't consistently shown those in playoff situations. And while he’s still relatively young and developing, how long can a team wait for a guy to “get it” when there are others willing to sacrifice and execute now?

So, if you can move him for a player who brings high hockey IQ, playoff effort, and a good cap hit — you do it. Skill is replaceable. Playoff fire and two-way commitment aren’t.

Good hockey talk. Let’s keep it going.

Not going to dispute much you said, but JK has skill that you can’t teach, and has made huge strides the last couple years. He didn’t appear to be the same guy after that hit, and had we advanced, would a different opponent made a difference? We’ll never know, but I’m not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
I guess my biggest beef is for all his supposed shortcomings in that series, where were Thomas, Buch and our other top guys? When the 4th line is your best line, that’s an issue across the board. Seems like Kyrou is the only one that catches flak however.

This exactly. And that list of others falling short...like way short of the same standard the haters put Kyrou to...goes on.

The whipping boy. The guy who got the team to the place everyone is so (upset) they missed out on.

He has moved his defensive game up each of the last 2 years. Good God people you claim to understand the game?

This is just getting ridiculous.

[netboy65]

They needed a rd and they got him. They need a 2c more than us. Unless they are trading Demidov or Reinbacher and Mailloux (at a minimum), what do they have that we would remotely want for Kyrou?

If they don't have a good 2C to spare...
Here is praying Holloway continues to help Kyrou become a "Real Boy".

Hey Harry - serious question - I find a lot of your posts to be really informative and your views on Kyrou are pretty clear. I'm just curious - is there anything Kyrou could do to win you over as a fan? What is he lacking, in your opinion? Or is this the Berube thing?

**disclaimer - I'm legit curious and not trying to start a fight. He's probably my favorite player on the Blues so I'd like to understand the opposite perspective.

Thanks for the courteous response.
I went through four phases with Kyrou and I grow weary of the lack iof consistency.

Phase One- he came up with skills that could make your goddanged jaw drop (and he still can... when he f#(bleep) feels like it). This peaked at the All Star-Game where he was awarded "Fastest Skater". He was a Superstar waiting to happen. He got an 8.125 Million a year deal for 8 years.

Suddenly, he became disinterested in doing any dirty work and in playing anything remotely resembling "good two-way hockey". He was on a line with Thomas, and they stuck together.
This is Phase Two, and it didn't take forever for the Chief, Mr. Craig Berube, to call him out on it face-to-face after a game. Kyrou ignored Chief's advice and the team was ... mortifying to watch as Chief was fired and a Minor League Coach was brought in to coddle the younger generation of players. I HATED Kyrou at this point. I felt the success and money had turned his head and his play was stomach turning quite often as he failed to get the puck in deep, trying for slick plays that would make the evening podcasts and resulted in turnovers and pucks in the back of our net. His physicality was non-existent.

Bannister did take Kyrou off Thomas line and forced Buchnevich to center for him, dig pucks out for him, and cover for him as much as possible. This was my least favorite time as a Blues fan in recent memory. However, being a Blues fan, even as I cursed his gutless nonchalance I could see some sparks of improvement. I believe the tears he squeezed out were a genuine reaction to being unmercifully boo'd by his home town crowd. However, I don't think he was remotely close to fixing things anytime soon- if ever.
Then, he gets put on a line with Holloway.
Suddenly, Jordan Kyrou is on a line with a forward his own size... who can totally embarrass him, as Holloway is almost as fast and offensively gifted as Kyrou, but in stark and glowing contrast, takes great pleasure in punishing opponents when it suits his purpose. He also plays all three zones in this tenacious manner, and his poise and confidence are admirable.
This is Phase Three as Kyrou makes his move to become a remarkable story of growth and redemption.
I LOVE this Kyrou.

Hollway gets injured. Phase Four.
Kyrou reverts to the pitiful perimeter ghost he was during Phase Two.
He turned my stomach for most of the playoffs, and Game Seven will be hard for me to ever forget.


As I have said several times, if Kyrou remains a Blue, we COULD see a continuation of the growth he achieved before Holloway's injry.
That would be Jim Dandy, but its a hard way to root for an adult hockey player. If it sticks, rooting for Kyrou will be easy..
If.

Thanks Harry - appreciate your thoughts! I hope his play eventually wins you (back) over . . and continues to justify the Tshirt I bought

Or maybe people don’t focus on their hatred of ONE player.
This is starting to remind me of ol smelly with his singular focus on Army

Please do myself and many others a huge favor- watch a game closely.
Don't follow the puck and look for goals and hits. Watch the game as if you knew how it should be played.
I have a pretty open mind. That is why I have waffled on Kyrou, but my waffling is another thing you have missed because you aren’t paying close attention.
I appreciate your enthusiasm as a hockey fan, but don’t condemn folks who call it like it actually is.

I’ve been watching the game for 50 years, so I know how it should be played, but thanks.
I’ve also been on this forum for a while and have seen your opinions go back and forth, so yes that was noticed too.
You are a very passionate fan as well, and that’s fantastic, but it just appears like the only time you post in the last few months is to complain about 25. It gets old. There’s a big beautiful hockey team besides just him.

You’re absolutely right to challenge the conversation and bring it back to a real hockey discussion. Let’s get into it — and honestly.

If Jordan Kyrou had played in the Stanley Cup Final against Florida the same way he did against the Jets, it would have been a liability. There’s no sugar-coating that. His play in that series — whether due to effort, decision-making, or both — left a lot to be desired. Yes, he has elite skill and top-end speed, but if he’s not engaged or dialed in defensively, it becomes a net negative against a grinding, relentless team like Florida.

Florida punishes mistakes. They eat up passive shifts. Kyrou floating, losing battles, or not tracking back would have been magnified under that kind of pressure. It’s not just about scoring — and in the Jets series, even that wasn’t consistent. The margin for error in the Final is razor thin, and players who don’t buy in 200 feet get exposed.

You said watching the game for 50 years, the game has changed. Speed and skill matter more than ever, but so do buy-in, intensity, and adaptability. Kyrou hasn't consistently shown those in playoff situations. And while he’s still relatively young and developing, how long can a team wait for a guy to “get it” when there are others willing to sacrifice and execute now?

So, if you can move him for a player who brings high hockey IQ, playoff effort, and a good cap hit — you do it. Skill is replaceable. Playoff fire and two-way commitment aren’t.

Good hockey talk. Let’s keep it going.

Not going to dispute much you said, but JK has skill that you can’t teach, and has made huge strides the last couple years. He didn’t appear to be the same guy after that hit, and had we advanced, would a different opponent made a difference? We’ll never know, but I’m not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
I guess my biggest beef is for all his supposed shortcomings in that series, where were Thomas, Buch and our other top guys? When the 4th line is your best line, that’s an issue across the board. Seems like Kyrou is the only one that catches flak however.

I think both of these points hit home for a lot of Blues fans.

The Incident with Berube – When Kyrou barked back at Chief after being called out, it was a tough look — especially with how public it was. Guys like McDavid, MacKinnon, or Ovechkin — players who are elite and have earned that respect — don’t usually react that way, even when emotions run high. For Kyrou, who’s still trying to prove himself in terms of leadership and consistency, it came across as immature. Fans expect professionalism, especially on national TV. The right move is to take the criticism, go into the locker room, and show the response on the ice. That’s how you earn respect — not just from coaches, but from your teammates and the fanbase.

Three Coaches Trying to “Reach” Him – That’s a big concern for a guy pulling in $8 million a year. At that salary, there’s an expectation that you get it — you understand the work ethic, the consistency, and what it takes to lead by example every night. If it takes three different coaches to figure out how to motivate you, that doesn’t scream franchise cornerstone. When you compare it to someone like Sam Bennett — who plays a heavy, gritty game and shows up when it matters most — the contrast is pretty stark. Kyrou’s skill isn’t in question, but the complete package — effort, accountability, and reliability — hasn’t always aligned with the contract.

And that’s the frustration. You want to root for a guy with that kind of raw talent, but when the buy-in doesn’t feel all the way there, it’s hard to fully get behind him.

I’ll dispute the 3 coaches claim. The incident with Berube was a long time ago, let it go. Kyrou could have reacted better no doubt, but St Berube also shares some of the blame, not every guy in the league can play the same way.
Bannister I don’t count, he was just a glorified babysitter until something better came along
Monty, who’s to say he didn’t reach him? He had a great year and led the team in +/- which brings us back to that hit. What effect did it really have?
Everyone keeps bringing up $8 million. That’s really not all that much when you look at what some guys in the league are getting paid.

[theograce]

I’ll dispute the 3 coaches claim. The incident with Berube was a long time ago, let it go. Kyrou could have reacted better no doubt, but St Berube also

Calling him St. Berube weakens your position.

When teams are negotiating and there are reported personality and effort issues….they will use it whether it happens yesterday, two years ago or 5 years ago.

Personality is generally fixed. It’s a 50 million dollar investment. If Berube and their management called out a Leaf like that that you think Doug is just gonna throw 50 mil at the player and not be cautious or use it as leverage?

[netboy65]

I’ll dispute the 3 coaches claim. The incident with Berube was a long time ago, let it go. Kyrou could have reacted better no doubt, but St Berube also

Calling him St. Berube weakens your position.

When teams are negotiating and there are reported personality and effort issues….they will use it whether it happens yesterday, two years ago or 5 years ago.

Personality is generally fixed. It’s a 50 million dollar investment. If Berube and their management called out a Leaf like that that you think Doug is just gonna throw 50 mil at the player and not be cautious or use it as leverage?

He will be forever revered for leading us to our first Cup, but all I meant was he’s not infallible

[theograce]

I’ll dispute the 3 coaches claim. The incident with Berube was a long time ago, let it go. Kyrou could have reacted better no doubt, but St Berube also

Calling him St. Berube weakens your position.

When teams are negotiating and there are reported personality and effort issues….they will use it whether it happens yesterday, two years ago or 5 years ago.

Personality is generally fixed. It’s a 50 million dollar investment. If Berube and their management called out a Leaf like that that you think Doug is just gonna throw 50 mil at the player and not be cautious or use it as leverage?

He will be forever revered for leading us to our first Cup, but all I meant was he’s not infallible

Of course. He handled himself like a rookie coach. He was brutal. Could have easily been fired sooner. That was pathetic. He must have been so mad lol