Report: Canadiens among teams interested in Kyrou

[wiscrev]

Kyrou needs a fresh start. The problem is his value is probably lower than it could be for various reasons

This similar narrative preceded both Bennett's and Reinhart's trades. He doesn't need a fresh start. He led the team in scoring. Picked up his defensive game. No reason to force a trade for trades sake under the" guise of managing assets" especially when you fail to address a need. In Armey's own parlance trading him for less than value is not improving this team by 5 percent -quite probably the opposite.

Poor theo, he doesn't/can't read and he is not a Blues fan = Troll.

[dhsux]

This similar narrative preceded both Bennett's and Reinhart's trades. He doesn't need a fresh start. He led the team in scoring. Picked up his defensive game. No reason to force a trade for trades sake under the" guise of managing assets" especially when you fail to address a need. In Armey's own parlance trading him for less than value is not improving this team by 5 percent -quite probably the opposite.

I don't believe there's any stinging issue with the Blues wanting to move Kyrou. But I do think with present team makeup they look upon him as the guy to move to get one of their week spots patched up.

Also agree they will hold on to him before they "trade him for less' under any circumstance.

[theograce]

Kyrou needs a fresh start. The problem is his value is probably lower than it could be for various reasons

This similar narrative preceded both Bennett's and Reinhart's trades. He doesn't need a fresh start. He led the team in scoring. Picked up his defensive game. No reason to force a trade for trades sake under the" guise of managing assets" especially when you fail to address a need. In Armey's own parlance trading him for less than value is not improving this team by 5 percent -quite probably the opposite.

It’s not about scoring. Tell me how he feels. How Montgomery and Armstrong feel .. And force?

There’s a lot of evidence that he’s not fitting in and that management wants more from him. There’s lots of smoke. Armstrong basically fired his friend in part because of him. If (and yes it’s a big if) Montgomery isn’t pumped about him, then it’s time to move on.

What evidence? That is other than media speculation? I remember when Monty first got here he told him to just go play your game. If after the season he wasn’t happy I’m sure he had a private sit-down with him, but I’d think the player would be given the opportunity to implement the advice.

Armstrong and Berube weren’t happy. Berube said some things that never get said publicly. They were awful things to say. Ice time at times … benchings here and there. Top analysts reporting.

That’s as much evidence as you will ever see

[TheJackBurton]

Habs are $3M in the hole as far as cap space after the Dobson acquisition.

Are they planning to trade us Dobson for Kyrou?

No they are not. They’ll have $10m more in space once put Carey price on LTIR

So they are $3M in the hole until the first day of the season when they place CP on LTIR (just like the Blues don't have the $6.5M for Krug until after the first day of the season), after which they still won't have enough cap space to fit JK.

That’s not how it works. You can also be 10% over the cap in the offseason

yes, they can be 9.5 million over. With Dobson they are 3 million over. If they were to acquire Kyrou and not send anything of significance back they'd be 11.75 million over. They wouldn't be cap compliant and even when they put Price on LTIR they'd be over by 1.75 million.

If they want Kyrou they are trading roster players.

[Red7]

Kyrou needs a fresh start. The problem is his value is probably lower than it could be for various reasons

This similar narrative preceded both Bennett's and Reinhart's trades. He doesn't need a fresh start. He led the team in scoring. Picked up his defensive game. No reason to force a trade for trades sake under the" guise of managing assets" especially when you fail to address a need. In Armey's own parlance trading him for less than value is not improving this team by 5 percent -quite probably the opposite.

It’s not about scoring. Tell me how he feels. How Montgomery and Armstrong feel .. And force?

There’s a lot of evidence that he’s not fitting in and that management wants more from him. There’s lots of smoke. Armstrong basically fired his friend in part because of him. If (and yes it’s a big if) Montgomery isn’t pumped about him, then it’s time to move on.

We know how Armstrong feels about Kyrou. He’ll kill his entire family before he trades him. It’s in Steen’s contract that he is not allowed to trade Kyrou…EVER. A year from now, either Kyrou or Montgomery will be gone and it won’t be Kyrou.

[netboy65]

Kyrou needs a fresh start. The problem is his value is probably lower than it could be for various reasons

This similar narrative preceded both Bennett's and Reinhart's trades. He doesn't need a fresh start. He led the team in scoring. Picked up his defensive game. No reason to force a trade for trades sake under the" guise of managing assets" especially when you fail to address a need. In Armey's own parlance trading him for less than value is not improving this team by 5 percent -quite probably the opposite.

It’s not about scoring. Tell me how he feels. How Montgomery and Armstrong feel .. And force?

There’s a lot of evidence that he’s not fitting in and that management wants more from him. There’s lots of smoke. Armstrong basically fired his friend in part because of him. If (and yes it’s a big if) Montgomery isn’t pumped about him, then it’s time to move on.

What evidence? That is other than media speculation? I remember when Monty first got here he told him to just go play your game. If after the season he wasn’t happy I’m sure he had a private sit-down with him, but I’d think the player would be given the opportunity to implement the advice.

Armstrong and Berube weren’t happy. Berube said some things that never get said publicly. They were awful things to say. Ice time at times … benchings here and there. Top analysts reporting.

That’s as much evidence as you will ever see

That’s 2 coaches ago, ancient history
If they were not public, then you’re just making stuff up
Top analysts? Like I said, media speculation

[Army's Mom]

This similar narrative preceded both Bennett's and Reinhart's trades. He doesn't need a fresh start. He led the team in scoring. Picked up his defensive game. No reason to force a trade for trades sake under the" guise of managing assets" especially when you fail to address a need. In Armey's own parlance trading him for less than value is not improving this team by 5 percent -quite probably the opposite.

I don't believe there's any stinging issue with the Blues wanting to move Kyrou. But I do think with present team makeup they look upon him as the guy to move to get one of their week spots patched up.

Also agree they will hold on to him before they "trade him for less' under any circumstance.

Agreed.

The past is irrelevant: Kyrou played very well last year, and has shown the necessary improvement to his game. I didn't care for his playoff production, but its not like he alone cost us that winnable series.

What is relevant is that we have an abundance of wingers, amd young scoring RWers coming up who make Kyrou more of a luxury than a need. His contract is an asset, and will be for any acquiring team. The window before the no-trade means Army has to see what Kyrou's market is as part of his due diligence.

Doesn't mean there's actual smoke. But, given the need for a 2C/3C (Dvorsky is at least one year away from filling that role on a playoff team), and a need to add an RHD to eventually replace/upgrade Faulk, if Army can fill those needs while selling high on Kyrou, thats just good business.

[stlblues1979]

Kyrou needs a fresh start. The problem is his value is probably lower than it could be for various reasons

This similar narrative preceded both Bennett's and Reinhart's trades. He doesn't need a fresh start. He led the team in scoring. Picked up his defensive game. No reason to force a trade for trades sake under the" guise of managing assets" especially when you fail to address a need. In Armey's own parlance trading him for less than value is not improving this team by 5 percent -quite probably the opposite.

It’s not about scoring. Tell me how he feels. How Montgomery and Armstrong feel .. And force?

There’s a lot of evidence that he’s not fitting in and that management wants more from him. There’s lots of smoke. Armstrong basically fired his friend in part because of him. If (and yes it’s a big if) Montgomery isn’t pumped about him, then it’s time to move on.

We know how Armstrong feels about Kyrou. He’ll kill his entire family before he trades him. It’s in Steen’s contract that he is not allowed to trade Kyrou…EVER. A year from now, either Kyrou or Montgomery will be gone and it won’t be Kyrou.

Are you serious or did you forget the Blue font?

Monty is going to wind up being one of the Blues best coaches ever. He signed a five year contract & he will not be gone after next year. And if Kyrou is still a Blue on July 1, he won't be going anywhere either.

[TheJackBurton]

Kyrou needs a fresh start. The problem is his value is probably lower than it could be for various reasons

This similar narrative preceded both Bennett's and Reinhart's trades. He doesn't need a fresh start. He led the team in scoring. Picked up his defensive game. No reason to force a trade for trades sake under the" guise of managing assets" especially when you fail to address a need. In Armey's own parlance trading him for less than value is not improving this team by 5 percent -quite probably the opposite.

It’s not about scoring. Tell me how he feels. How Montgomery and Armstrong feel .. And force?

There’s a lot of evidence that he’s not fitting in and that management wants more from him. There’s lots of smoke. Armstrong basically fired his friend in part because of him. If (and yes it’s a big if) Montgomery isn’t pumped about him, then it’s time to move on.

We know how Armstrong feels about Kyrou. He’ll kill his entire family before he trades him. It’s in Steen’s contract that he is not allowed to trade Kyrou…EVER. A year from now, either Kyrou or Montgomery will be gone and it won’t be Kyrou.

So you believe that the Blues will fire a coach who has 4 years remaining on his contract?

Did you even think that statement through?

[seattleblue]

From the Canadiens I would need Guhle+ or Reinbacher+ at a minimum as the player coming back

[thegibby.]

From the Canadiens I would need Guhle+ or Reinbacher+ at a minimum as the player coming back

Reinbacher and Laine? or Logan Mailloux plus would be nice.

...and I'd take Joshua Roy as a throw in.

[callitwhatyouwant]

Kyrou ain’t going nowhere without a team bending themselves over and making it impossible to not accept the offer. Listen to army’s interview about Carb. The first 4 people he talks about as future teammates are Kyrou, Bolduc, Snuggs, and Buchy.

[seattleblue]

No doubt moving Kyrou would require a major piece coming back. Nobody's trading a proven scoring center for him so we are talking about an NHL top pair caliber defender. That is why we were definitely interested in Dobson til he ruled out leaving the conference. Dobson is a 24 min top pair defender (Byram is not). We know we need a major RHD piece (or perhaps a major LHD who is too tempting not to take). Guhle is a very tempting player but we'd need more. Reinbacher ... that could be the right major prospect but we would also need more sure thing for the roster. I would be pretty surprised if the Blues traded Kyrou to MTL, they would have to really bring the offer up

[Harry York 37]

They needed a rd and they got him. They need a 2c more than us. Unless they are trading Demidov or Reinbacher and Mailloux (at a minimum), what do they have that we would remotely want for Kyrou?

If they don't have a good 2C to spare...
Here is praying Holloway continues to help Kyrou become a "Real Boy".

Hey Harry - serious question - I find a lot of your posts to be really informative and your views on Kyrou are pretty clear. I'm just curious - is there anything Kyrou could do to win you over as a fan? What is he lacking, in your opinion? Or is this the Berube thing?

**disclaimer - I'm legit curious and not trying to start a fight. He's probably my favorite player on the Blues so I'd like to understand the opposite perspective.

Thanks for the courteous response.
I went through four phases with Kyrou and I grow weary of the lack iof consistency.

Phase One- he came up with skills that could make your goddanged jaw drop (and he still can... when he f#(bleep) feels like it). This peaked at the All Star-Game where he was awarded "Fastest Skater". He was a Superstar waiting to happen. He got an 8.125 Million a year deal for 8 years.

Suddenly, he became disinterested in doing any dirty work and in playing anything remotely resembling "good two-way hockey". He was on a line with Thomas, and they stuck together.
This is Phase Two, and it didn't take forever for the Chief, Mr. Craig Berube, to call him out on it face-to-face after a game. Kyrou ignored Chief's advice and the team was ... mortifying to watch as Chief was fired and a Minor League Coach was brought in to coddle the younger generation of players. I HATED Kyrou at this point. I felt the success and money had turned his head and his play was stomach turning quite often as he failed to get the puck in deep, trying for slick plays that would make the evening podcasts and resulted in turnovers and pucks in the back of our net. His physicality was non-existent.

Bannister did take Kyrou off Thomas line and forced Buchnevich to center for him, dig pucks out for him, and cover for him as much as possible. This was my least favorite time as a Blues fan in recent memory. However, being a Blues fan, even as I cursed his gutless nonchalance I could see some sparks of improvement. I believe the tears he squeezed out were a genuine reaction to being unmercifully boo'd by his home town crowd. However, I don't think he was remotely close to fixing things anytime soon- if ever.
Then, he gets put on a line with Holloway.
Suddenly, Jordan Kyrou is on a line with a forward his own size... who can totally embarrass him, as Holloway is almost as fast and offensively gifted as Kyrou, but in stark and glowing contrast, takes great pleasure in punishing opponents when it suits his purpose. He also plays all three zones in this tenacious manner, and his poise and confidence are admirable.
This is Phase Three as Kyrou makes his move to become a remarkable story of growth and redemption.
I LOVE this Kyrou.

Hollway gets injured. Phase Four.
Kyrou reverts to the pitiful perimeter ghost he was during Phase Two.
He turned my stomach for most of the playoffs, and Game Seven will be hard for me to ever forget.


As I have said several times, if Kyrou remains a Blue, we COULD see a continuation of the growth he achieved before Holloway's injry.
That would be Jim Dandy, but its a hard way to root for an adult hockey player. If it sticks, rooting for Kyrou will be easy..
If.

[bud white]

No doubt moving Kyrou would require a major piece coming back. Nobody's trading a proven scoring center for him so we are talking about an NHL top pair caliber defender. That is why we were definitely interested in Dobson til he ruled out leaving the conference. Dobson is a 24 min top pair defender (Byram is not). We know we need a major RHD piece (or perhaps a major LHD who is too tempting not to take). Guhle is a very tempting player but we'd need more. Reinbacher ... that could be the right major prospect but we would also need more sure thing for the roster. I would be pretty surprised if the Blues traded Kyrou to MTL, they would have to really bring the offer up

Kyrou was in the package for JJ Peterka. Isles received two players who accounted for 14 goals last year.

14 goals total

The rest of the league doesn't hold Kyrou on the pedestal fans here do.

[ManitobaBlues]

Kyrou needs a fresh start. The problem is his value is probably lower than it could be for various reasons

This similar narrative preceded both Bennett's and Reinhart's trades. He doesn't need a fresh start. He led the team in scoring. Picked up his defensive game. No reason to force a trade for trades sake under the" guise of managing assets" especially when you fail to address a need. In Armey's own parlance trading him for less than value is not improving this team by 5 percent -quite probably the opposite.

It’s not about scoring. Tell me how he feels. How Montgomery and Armstrong feel .. And force?

There’s a lot of evidence that he’s not fitting in and that management wants more from him. There’s lots of smoke. Armstrong basically fired his friend in part because of him. If (and yes it’s a big if) Montgomery isn’t pumped about him, then it’s time to move on.

What evidence? That is other than media speculation? I remember when Monty first got here he told him to just go play your game. If after the season he wasn’t happy I’m sure he had a private sit-down with him, but I’d think the player would be given the opportunity to implement the advice.

Monty probably wishes he could tell Kyrou: 'Get off your (donkey) and start playing hockey.' But the reality is, if you look at the trends across the league, organizations are realizing you can’t treat young players the way they did 15 years ago. After three coaching changes, we’re finally seeing Kyrou begin to develop into a more complete 200-foot player—not a bruiser or fighter like Toropchenko, but someone who needs to improve his ability to battle through checks, hold onto the puck longer, and enhance his overall hockey IQ.

That said, any player is tradeable, and the Blues could easily replace Kyrou’s 36 goals if they decided to move him. A smart trade could bring in a player who better fits the team’s needs. Honestly, with current prospects like Justin Carbonneau, Snuggs, Stenberg, and Devo, I’d be fine with moving Kyrou for a center or defenseman. When you think about the future of this team—Holloway, Thomas, Buch, Neighbors, and the prospects—Kyrou would quickly become a distant memory.