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Re: Respect for Mozeliak

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Bob Kunush wrote: 12 Jun 2025 15:56 pm Its possible to respect Mo's overall career accomplishments in various positions over a long career, while at the same time be critical of some of his work in recent years.

It is also possible to be more than ready to have him step down, which I am, and try somebody else without personally attacking him or acting like he hasn't had a very good overall career with Cardinals. They did a lot of winning with him in the positions of Scouting and Development, Assistant GM, and his other various titles he had while being the top guy.

Thank you Mo for a good Cardibal career, and thank you for walking away from it and letting some new people with new ideas try to run things.
Excellent post, Bob. I would also point out, however, that Goldy and Arenado went ice cold in the playoffs. That wasn’t Mo’s fault. Plus last year who could anticipate Goldy, Arenado, Walker, and Gorman all regressing at the same time, as well as all the pitchers picked up in July the year before going on the IL?
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Cranny wrote: 12 Jun 2025 16:42 pm
Bob Kunush wrote: 12 Jun 2025 15:56 pm Its possible to respect Mo's overall career accomplishments in various positions over a long career, while at the same time be critical of some of his work in recent years.

It is also possible to be more than ready to have him step down, which I am, and try somebody else without personally attacking him or acting like he hasn't had a very good overall career with Cardinals. They did a lot of winning with him in the positions of Scouting and Development, Assistant GM, and his other various titles he had while being the top guy.

Thank you Mo for a good Cardibal career, and thank you for walking away from it and letting some new people with new ideas try to run things.
Excellent post, Bob. I would also point out, however, that Goldy and Arenado went ice cold in the playoffs. That wasn’t Mo’s fault. Plus last year who could anticipate Goldy, Arenado, Walker, and Gorman all regressing at the same time, as well as all the pitchers picked up in July the year before going on the IL?
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Re: Respect for Mozeliak

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My point was you can appreciate the overall career of Mo and still be ready for him to leave without all the attacks he gets

There is nothing he can do to make anyone appreciate him who has decided to go after him endlessly for some of the mistakes he has made in recebt years. Some of those have been big misses.

I dont blame him for not spending big money on free agents, especially pitchers, when I think DeWitrs call the shots on the budget and big expenditures. I do blame him for giving average players above average money in recent years. We have had sone good teams. The 2022 team should have gone further. That is on the players.

If you dont respect Mo now you won't in a few months no matter what he does. And it is reported he is stepping back more and more. So he is not holding on to all power until the end.
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What a shock ..a thread about Mo-ran is hijacked by the front office (donkey) kissers...Bob will never stop defending the front office...are they all friends?
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Bob Kunush wrote: 12 Jun 2025 17:04 pm My point was you can appreciate the overall career of Mo and still be ready for him to leave without all the attacks he gets

There is nothing he can do to make anyone appreciate him who has decided to go after him endlessly for some of the mistakes he has made in recebt years. Some of those have been big misses.

I dont blame him for not spending big money on free agents, especially pitchers, when I think DeWitrs call the shots on the budget and big expenditures. I do blame him for giving average players above average money in recent years. We have had sone good teams. The 2022 team should have gone further. That is on the players.

If you dont respect Mo now you won't in a few months no matter what he does. And it is reported he is stepping back more and more. So he is not holding on to all power until the end.
I think I've stated that how he finishes would have some bearing on how I view his work. It won't "change" my mind, but it could soften my view.
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Re: Respect for Mozeliak

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Talkin' Baseball wrote: 12 Jun 2025 16:45 pm
Cranny wrote: 12 Jun 2025 16:42 pm
Bob Kunush wrote: 12 Jun 2025 15:56 pm Its possible to respect Mo's overall career accomplishments in various positions over a long career, while at the same time be critical of some of his work in recent years.

It is also possible to be more than ready to have him step down, which I am, and try somebody else without personally attacking him or acting like he hasn't had a very good overall career with Cardinals. They did a lot of winning with him in the positions of Scouting and Development, Assistant GM, and his other various titles he had while being the top guy.

Thank you Mo for a good Cardibal career, and thank you for walking away from it and letting some new people with new ideas try to run things.
Excellent post, Bob. I would also point out, however, that Goldy and Arenado went ice cold in the playoffs. That wasn’t Mo’s fault. Plus last year who could anticipate Goldy, Arenado, Walker, and Gorman all regressing at the same time, as well as all the pitchers picked up in July the year before going on the IL?
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Re: Respect for Mozeliak

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Cranny wrote: 12 Jun 2025 17:48 pm
Talkin' Baseball wrote: 12 Jun 2025 16:45 pm
Cranny wrote: 12 Jun 2025 16:42 pm
Bob Kunush wrote: 12 Jun 2025 15:56 pm Its possible to respect Mo's overall career accomplishments in various positions over a long career, while at the same time be critical of some of his work in recent years.

It is also possible to be more than ready to have him step down, which I am, and try somebody else without personally attacking him or acting like he hasn't had a very good overall career with Cardinals. They did a lot of winning with him in the positions of Scouting and Development, Assistant GM, and his other various titles he had while being the top guy.

Thank you Mo for a good Cardibal career, and thank you for walking away from it and letting some new people with new ideas try to run things.
Excellent post, Bob. I would also point out, however, that Goldy and Arenado went ice cold in the playoffs. That wasn’t Mo’s fault. Plus last year who could anticipate Goldy, Arenado, Walker, and Gorman all regressing at the same time, as well as all the pitchers picked up in July the year before going on the IL?
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Really? Actually it’s right on topic.
That's really what this is all about for you it seems. You just like to argue. You have a habit of hijacking threads. I started the thread- I'm not confused about. Check out the original post and just post stuff that is about that.
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Re: Respect for Mozeliak

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Talkin' Baseball wrote: 12 Jun 2025 18:10 pm
Cranny wrote: 12 Jun 2025 17:48 pm
Talkin' Baseball wrote: 12 Jun 2025 16:45 pm
Cranny wrote: 12 Jun 2025 16:42 pm
Bob Kunush wrote: 12 Jun 2025 15:56 pm Its possible to respect Mo's overall career accomplishments in various positions over a long career, while at the same time be critical of some of his work in recent years.

It is also possible to be more than ready to have him step down, which I am, and try somebody else without personally attacking him or acting like he hasn't had a very good overall career with Cardinals. They did a lot of winning with him in the positions of Scouting and Development, Assistant GM, and his other various titles he had while being the top guy.

Thank you Mo for a good Cardibal career, and thank you for walking away from it and letting some new people with new ideas try to run things.
Excellent post, Bob. I would also point out, however, that Goldy and Arenado went ice cold in the playoffs. That wasn’t Mo’s fault. Plus last year who could anticipate Goldy, Arenado, Walker, and Gorman all regressing at the same time, as well as all the pitchers picked up in July the year before going on the IL?
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Really? Actually it’s right on topic.
That's really what this is all about for you it seems. You just like to argue. You have a habit of hijacking threads. I started the thread- I'm not confused about. Check out the original post and just post stuff that is about that.
And I answered you, you might recall, by saying I was hoping for both a playoff season and a Top 5 minor league system.
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Re: Respect for Mozeliak

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Cranny wrote: 12 Jun 2025 18:16 pm
Talkin' Baseball wrote: 12 Jun 2025 18:10 pm
Cranny wrote: 12 Jun 2025 17:48 pm
Talkin' Baseball wrote: 12 Jun 2025 16:45 pm
Cranny wrote: 12 Jun 2025 16:42 pm
Bob Kunush wrote: 12 Jun 2025 15:56 pm Its possible to respect Mo's overall career accomplishments in various positions over a long career, while at the same time be critical of some of his work in recent years.

It is also possible to be more than ready to have him step down, which I am, and try somebody else without personally attacking him or acting like he hasn't had a very good overall career with Cardinals. They did a lot of winning with him in the positions of Scouting and Development, Assistant GM, and his other various titles he had while being the top guy.

Thank you Mo for a good Cardibal career, and thank you for walking away from it and letting some new people with new ideas try to run things.
Excellent post, Bob. I would also point out, however, that Goldy and Arenado went ice cold in the playoffs. That wasn’t Mo’s fault. Plus last year who could anticipate Goldy, Arenado, Walker, and Gorman all regressing at the same time, as well as all the pitchers picked up in July the year before going on the IL?
off topic
Really? Actually it’s right on topic.
That's really what this is all about for you it seems. You just like to argue. You have a habit of hijacking threads. I started the thread- I'm not confused about. Check out the original post and just post stuff that is about that.
And I answered you, you might recall, by saying I was hoping for both a playoff season and a Top 5 minor league system.
Then why the copious off-topic blather? Start another thread.
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Re: Respect for Mozeliak

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Talkin' Baseball wrote: 12 Jun 2025 18:20 pm
Cranny wrote: 12 Jun 2025 18:16 pm
Talkin' Baseball wrote: 12 Jun 2025 18:10 pm
Cranny wrote: 12 Jun 2025 17:48 pm
Talkin' Baseball wrote: 12 Jun 2025 16:45 pm
Cranny wrote: 12 Jun 2025 16:42 pm
Bob Kunush wrote: 12 Jun 2025 15:56 pm Its possible to respect Mo's overall career accomplishments in various positions over a long career, while at the same time be critical of some of his work in recent years.

It is also possible to be more than ready to have him step down, which I am, and try somebody else without personally attacking him or acting like he hasn't had a very good overall career with Cardinals. They did a lot of winning with him in the positions of Scouting and Development, Assistant GM, and his other various titles he had while being the top guy.

Thank you Mo for a good Cardibal career, and thank you for walking away from it and letting some new people with new ideas try to run things.
Excellent post, Bob. I would also point out, however, that Goldy and Arenado went ice cold in the playoffs. That wasn’t Mo’s fault. Plus last year who could anticipate Goldy, Arenado, Walker, and Gorman all regressing at the same time, as well as all the pitchers picked up in July the year before going on the IL?
off topic
Really? Actually it’s right on topic.
That's really what this is all about for you it seems. You just like to argue. You have a habit of hijacking threads. I started the thread- I'm not confused about. Check out the original post and just post stuff that is about that.
And I answered you, you might recall, by saying I was hoping for both a playoff season and a Top 5 minor league system.
Then why the copious off-topic blather? Start another thread.
The thread had wondered, and I simply responded to others’ posts. Simple as that.
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