Excellent post, Bob. I would also point out, however, that Goldy and Arenado went ice cold in the playoffs. That wasn’t Mo’s fault. Plus last year who could anticipate Goldy, Arenado, Walker, and Gorman all regressing at the same time, as well as all the pitchers picked up in July the year before going on the IL?Bob Kunush wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 15:56 pm Its possible to respect Mo's overall career accomplishments in various positions over a long career, while at the same time be critical of some of his work in recent years.
It is also possible to be more than ready to have him step down, which I am, and try somebody else without personally attacking him or acting like he hasn't had a very good overall career with Cardinals. They did a lot of winning with him in the positions of Scouting and Development, Assistant GM, and his other various titles he had while being the top guy.
Thank you Mo for a good Cardibal career, and thank you for walking away from it and letting some new people with new ideas try to run things.
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off topicCranny wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 16:42 pmExcellent post, Bob. I would also point out, however, that Goldy and Arenado went ice cold in the playoffs. That wasn’t Mo’s fault. Plus last year who could anticipate Goldy, Arenado, Walker, and Gorman all regressing at the same time, as well as all the pitchers picked up in July the year before going on the IL?Bob Kunush wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 15:56 pm Its possible to respect Mo's overall career accomplishments in various positions over a long career, while at the same time be critical of some of his work in recent years.
It is also possible to be more than ready to have him step down, which I am, and try somebody else without personally attacking him or acting like he hasn't had a very good overall career with Cardinals. They did a lot of winning with him in the positions of Scouting and Development, Assistant GM, and his other various titles he had while being the top guy.
Thank you Mo for a good Cardibal career, and thank you for walking away from it and letting some new people with new ideas try to run things.
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My point was you can appreciate the overall career of Mo and still be ready for him to leave without all the attacks he gets
There is nothing he can do to make anyone appreciate him who has decided to go after him endlessly for some of the mistakes he has made in recebt years. Some of those have been big misses.
I dont blame him for not spending big money on free agents, especially pitchers, when I think DeWitrs call the shots on the budget and big expenditures. I do blame him for giving average players above average money in recent years. We have had sone good teams. The 2022 team should have gone further. That is on the players.
If you dont respect Mo now you won't in a few months no matter what he does. And it is reported he is stepping back more and more. So he is not holding on to all power until the end.
There is nothing he can do to make anyone appreciate him who has decided to go after him endlessly for some of the mistakes he has made in recebt years. Some of those have been big misses.
I dont blame him for not spending big money on free agents, especially pitchers, when I think DeWitrs call the shots on the budget and big expenditures. I do blame him for giving average players above average money in recent years. We have had sone good teams. The 2022 team should have gone further. That is on the players.
If you dont respect Mo now you won't in a few months no matter what he does. And it is reported he is stepping back more and more. So he is not holding on to all power until the end.
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What a shock ..a thread about Mo-ran is hijacked by the front office (donkey) kissers...Bob will never stop defending the front office...are they all friends?
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I think I've stated that how he finishes would have some bearing on how I view his work. It won't "change" my mind, but it could soften my view.Bob Kunush wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 17:04 pm My point was you can appreciate the overall career of Mo and still be ready for him to leave without all the attacks he gets
There is nothing he can do to make anyone appreciate him who has decided to go after him endlessly for some of the mistakes he has made in recebt years. Some of those have been big misses.
I dont blame him for not spending big money on free agents, especially pitchers, when I think DeWitrs call the shots on the budget and big expenditures. I do blame him for giving average players above average money in recent years. We have had sone good teams. The 2022 team should have gone further. That is on the players.
If you dont respect Mo now you won't in a few months no matter what he does. And it is reported he is stepping back more and more. So he is not holding on to all power until the end.
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Really? Actually it’s right on topic.Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 16:45 pmoff topicCranny wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 16:42 pmExcellent post, Bob. I would also point out, however, that Goldy and Arenado went ice cold in the playoffs. That wasn’t Mo’s fault. Plus last year who could anticipate Goldy, Arenado, Walker, and Gorman all regressing at the same time, as well as all the pitchers picked up in July the year before going on the IL?Bob Kunush wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 15:56 pm Its possible to respect Mo's overall career accomplishments in various positions over a long career, while at the same time be critical of some of his work in recent years.
It is also possible to be more than ready to have him step down, which I am, and try somebody else without personally attacking him or acting like he hasn't had a very good overall career with Cardinals. They did a lot of winning with him in the positions of Scouting and Development, Assistant GM, and his other various titles he had while being the top guy.
Thank you Mo for a good Cardibal career, and thank you for walking away from it and letting some new people with new ideas try to run things.
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That's really what this is all about for you it seems. You just like to argue. You have a habit of hijacking threads. I started the thread- I'm not confused about. Check out the original post and just post stuff that is about that.Cranny wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 17:48 pmReally? Actually it’s right on topic.Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 16:45 pmoff topicCranny wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 16:42 pmExcellent post, Bob. I would also point out, however, that Goldy and Arenado went ice cold in the playoffs. That wasn’t Mo’s fault. Plus last year who could anticipate Goldy, Arenado, Walker, and Gorman all regressing at the same time, as well as all the pitchers picked up in July the year before going on the IL?Bob Kunush wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 15:56 pm Its possible to respect Mo's overall career accomplishments in various positions over a long career, while at the same time be critical of some of his work in recent years.
It is also possible to be more than ready to have him step down, which I am, and try somebody else without personally attacking him or acting like he hasn't had a very good overall career with Cardinals. They did a lot of winning with him in the positions of Scouting and Development, Assistant GM, and his other various titles he had while being the top guy.
Thank you Mo for a good Cardibal career, and thank you for walking away from it and letting some new people with new ideas try to run things.
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And I answered you, you might recall, by saying I was hoping for both a playoff season and a Top 5 minor league system.Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 18:10 pmThat's really what this is all about for you it seems. You just like to argue. You have a habit of hijacking threads. I started the thread- I'm not confused about. Check out the original post and just post stuff that is about that.Cranny wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 17:48 pmReally? Actually it’s right on topic.Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 16:45 pmoff topicCranny wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 16:42 pmExcellent post, Bob. I would also point out, however, that Goldy and Arenado went ice cold in the playoffs. That wasn’t Mo’s fault. Plus last year who could anticipate Goldy, Arenado, Walker, and Gorman all regressing at the same time, as well as all the pitchers picked up in July the year before going on the IL?Bob Kunush wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 15:56 pm Its possible to respect Mo's overall career accomplishments in various positions over a long career, while at the same time be critical of some of his work in recent years.
It is also possible to be more than ready to have him step down, which I am, and try somebody else without personally attacking him or acting like he hasn't had a very good overall career with Cardinals. They did a lot of winning with him in the positions of Scouting and Development, Assistant GM, and his other various titles he had while being the top guy.
Thank you Mo for a good Cardibal career, and thank you for walking away from it and letting some new people with new ideas try to run things.
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Then why the copious off-topic blather? Start another thread.Cranny wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 18:16 pmAnd I answered you, you might recall, by saying I was hoping for both a playoff season and a Top 5 minor league system.Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 18:10 pmThat's really what this is all about for you it seems. You just like to argue. You have a habit of hijacking threads. I started the thread- I'm not confused about. Check out the original post and just post stuff that is about that.Cranny wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 17:48 pmReally? Actually it’s right on topic.Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 16:45 pmoff topicCranny wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 16:42 pmExcellent post, Bob. I would also point out, however, that Goldy and Arenado went ice cold in the playoffs. That wasn’t Mo’s fault. Plus last year who could anticipate Goldy, Arenado, Walker, and Gorman all regressing at the same time, as well as all the pitchers picked up in July the year before going on the IL?Bob Kunush wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 15:56 pm Its possible to respect Mo's overall career accomplishments in various positions over a long career, while at the same time be critical of some of his work in recent years.
It is also possible to be more than ready to have him step down, which I am, and try somebody else without personally attacking him or acting like he hasn't had a very good overall career with Cardinals. They did a lot of winning with him in the positions of Scouting and Development, Assistant GM, and his other various titles he had while being the top guy.
Thank you Mo for a good Cardibal career, and thank you for walking away from it and letting some new people with new ideas try to run things.
Re: Respect for Mozeliak
The thread had wondered, and I simply responded to others’ posts. Simple as that.Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 18:20 pmThen why the copious off-topic blather? Start another thread.Cranny wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 18:16 pmAnd I answered you, you might recall, by saying I was hoping for both a playoff season and a Top 5 minor league system.Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 18:10 pmThat's really what this is all about for you it seems. You just like to argue. You have a habit of hijacking threads. I started the thread- I'm not confused about. Check out the original post and just post stuff that is about that.Cranny wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 17:48 pmReally? Actually it’s right on topic.Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 16:45 pmoff topicCranny wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 16:42 pmExcellent post, Bob. I would also point out, however, that Goldy and Arenado went ice cold in the playoffs. That wasn’t Mo’s fault. Plus last year who could anticipate Goldy, Arenado, Walker, and Gorman all regressing at the same time, as well as all the pitchers picked up in July the year before going on the IL?Bob Kunush wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 15:56 pm Its possible to respect Mo's overall career accomplishments in various positions over a long career, while at the same time be critical of some of his work in recent years.
It is also possible to be more than ready to have him step down, which I am, and try somebody else without personally attacking him or acting like he hasn't had a very good overall career with Cardinals. They did a lot of winning with him in the positions of Scouting and Development, Assistant GM, and his other various titles he had while being the top guy.
Thank you Mo for a good Cardibal career, and thank you for walking away from it and letting some new people with new ideas try to run things.