Go for it. Eff the retool

[Banner29]

Imagine spending time on an anonymous forum instructing others how to post...the arrogance is outstanding...perhaps they should mind their own [fork]ing business!

First he ask what eff means, then he keeps bumping it for the multi generations to get more opportunity to see ................... and probably most laugh at.

I just try an appreciate the humor of it all.

You are right. I'm probably being a little hypocritical ragging on Cranny. So how about this. Cranny relax and listen to this song whenever people bother you.

https://youtu.be/xZbKHDPPrrc?si=ggFAXuh_v6yS5NJI

Shucks, 2ninr. I’m just a guy who appreciates very much the PD having a free Cards Talk forum for all Cardinal fans to enjoy ant no cost. And the fact that they also lay out posting rules for the benefit of all. Rules that that are designed keep things friendly and in good taste.

Shut the eff up

That’s highly mature, Banner. LOL. Grow up.

Go eff yourself

[Cranny]

Imagine spending time on an anonymous forum instructing others how to post...the arrogance is outstanding...perhaps they should mind their own [fork]ing business!

First he ask what eff means, then he keeps bumping it for the multi generations to get more opportunity to see ................... and probably most laugh at.

I just try an appreciate the humor of it all.

You are right. I'm probably being a little hypocritical ragging on Cranny. So how about this. Cranny relax and listen to this song whenever people bother you.

https://youtu.be/xZbKHDPPrrc?si=ggFAXuh_v6yS5NJI

Shucks, 2ninr. I’m just a guy who appreciates very much the PD having a free Cards Talk forum for all Cardinal fans to enjoy ant no cost. And the fact that they also lay out posting rules for the benefit of all. Rules that that are designed keep things friendly and in good taste.

Shut the eff up

That’s highly mature, Banner. LOL. Grow up.

Go eff yourself

Childish. You grow more immature with every post. Is the problem with your upbringing?

[Melville]

If a respectable return presents itself, I’d still move Helsley regardless of the standings.

The CORRECT BASBEBALL DECISION is to extend Helsley for another 4 years sometime in the next 30 days.

Assumes a lot.
Hensley has to agree to only one offer without fielding others in free agency.
His agent will advise him to forego free agency.
The Cardinals, who have long absolutely butchered the signing of higher-end free agent relievers, will spend a huge amount of money on a reliever despite multiple options in the system (Roby, Hence, Graceffo, Granillo, etc.).
And most of all, you’ve advised doing it and you’re always wrong.

Assumes nothing.
All my analysis considers all available facts and contingencies - which is why my accuracy rate is well above 90%.
But then, you already know that.
If STL were to offer Helsley what I advised, he would sign it.
And for the Cardinals, it is indisputably the CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION.

[Banner29]

Imagine spending time on an anonymous forum instructing others how to post...the arrogance is outstanding...perhaps they should mind their own [fork]ing business!

First he ask what eff means, then he keeps bumping it for the multi generations to get more opportunity to see ................... and probably most laugh at.

I just try an appreciate the humor of it all.

You are right. I'm probably being a little hypocritical ragging on Cranny. So how about this. Cranny relax and listen to this song whenever people bother you.

https://youtu.be/xZbKHDPPrrc?si=ggFAXuh_v6yS5NJI

Shucks, 2ninr. I’m just a guy who appreciates very much the PD having a free Cards Talk forum for all Cardinal fans to enjoy ant no cost. And the fact that they also lay out posting rules for the benefit of all. Rules that that are designed keep things friendly and in good taste.

Shut the eff up

That’s highly mature, Banner. LOL. Grow up.

Go eff yourself

Childish. You grow more immature with every post. Is the problem with your upbringing?

How can you call it childish when apparently you don’t even know what it means?

Effin loser….

[JuanAgosto]

If Mo is in charge, then he will sit around at the deadline with his thumb up his (donkey). That lazy, do-nothing putz will hope for the best.

[WLTFE]

If Mo is in charge, then he will sit around at the deadline with his thumb up his (donkey). That lazy, do-nothing putz will hope for the best.

You're going to get 'effing' yelled at by the front office (donkey) kissers!

[Cranny]

Imagine spending time on an anonymous forum instructing others how to post...the arrogance is outstanding...perhaps they should mind their own [fork]ing business!

First he ask what eff means, then he keeps bumping it for the multi generations to get more opportunity to see ................... and probably most laugh at.

I just try an appreciate the humor of it all.

You are right. I'm probably being a little hypocritical ragging on Cranny. So how about this. Cranny relax and listen to this song whenever people bother you.

https://youtu.be/xZbKHDPPrrc?si=ggFAXuh_v6yS5NJI

Shucks, 2ninr. I’m just a guy who appreciates very much the PD having a free Cards Talk forum for all Cardinal fans to enjoy ant no cost. And the fact that they also lay out posting rules for the benefit of all. Rules that that are designed keep things friendly and in good taste.

Shut the eff up

That’s highly mature, Banner. LOL. Grow up.

Go eff yourself

Childish. You grow more immature with every post. Is the problem with your upbringing?

How can you call it childish when apparently you don’t even know what it means?

Effin loser….

Thanks, banner. What a fine gentleman you are.

[ClassicO]

If a respectable return presents itself, I’d still move Helsley regardless of the standings.

The CORRECT BASBEBALL DECISION is to extend Helsley for another 4 years sometime in the next 30 days.

Assumes a lot.
Hensley has to agree to only one offer without fielding others in free agency.
His agent will advise him to forego free agency.
The Cardinals, who have long absolutely butchered the signing of higher-end free agent relievers, will spend a huge amount of money on a reliever despite multiple options in the system (Roby, Hence, Graceffo, Granillo, etc.).
And most of all, you’ve advised doing it and you’re always wrong.

Assumes nothing.
All my analysis considers all available facts and contingencies - which is why my accuracy rate is well above 90%.
But then, you already know that.
If STL were to offer Helsley what I advised, he would sign it.
And for the Cardinals, it is indisputably the CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION.

How much is that 4 year contract you mentioned, pray tell?
And 90% accuracy? All of CT knows that’s only 89% off of your 1% rate.

[Melville]

If a respectable return presents itself, I’d still move Helsley regardless of the standings.

The CORRECT BASBEBALL DECISION is to extend Helsley for another 4 years sometime in the next 30 days.

Assumes a lot.
Hensley has to agree to only one offer without fielding others in free agency.
His agent will advise him to forego free agency.
The Cardinals, who have long absolutely butchered the signing of higher-end free agent relievers, will spend a huge amount of money on a reliever despite multiple options in the system (Roby, Hence, Graceffo, Granillo, etc.).
And most of all, you’ve advised doing it and you’re always wrong.

Assumes nothing.
All my analysis considers all available facts and contingencies - which is why my accuracy rate is well above 90%.
But then, you already know that.
If STL were to offer Helsley what I advised, he would sign it.
And for the Cardinals, it is indisputably the CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION.

How much is that 4 year contract you mentioned, pray tell?
And 90% accuracy? All of CT knows that’s only 89% off of your 1% rate.

The precise details of how the Cardinals could and should extend Helsley are in this thread.
A bit surprised you did not seek and save it.

[CardsBest]

Need to do something with Gorman

Gorman should have been traded before this season. His value keeps falling much like Dylan Carlson before they traded him.

Cards have Winn, Donovan, Saggase, and Wetherholt.

[ICCFIM2]

They are going to figure this out at the All-Star break.

Again - IMO the question is whether, if they are "buyers," can they buy enough to make themselves one of the top 3-4 teams in the NL? Keeping in mind that teams like the Dodgers, Phillies, Mets, Cubs, Padres, and Giants will also likely be buying and making themselves better as well. So if the Cardinals are going to be "buyers" they have to be able to buy enough to be able to overcome whatever gap may exist between them and those other teams and also to overcome whatever additions so other teams will make.

If there isn't a feasible path for them to buy their way into being a top 3-4 team in the NL, they should sell and use this as an opportunity to load up further for 2026+.

The problem is, with the revenue disparity, I am not sure the Cards on paper will be a top 3-4 team in the next decade. If they get in, the top 3-4 teams don't always win, they have a chance. What can we realistically get for Helsley, Fedde and Matz? I don't think it is going to be the type of talent that you sit there and say, yep that makes a real contender in 2027. MO did pretty good at the 2023 trade deadline and we are looking at 2026 when perhaps Roby and Saggese are difference makers, if they ever are.

The Cards may have the real deal in Baez who seems to have turned the corner in Springfield. With Wetherholt on the way, the Cards seemed to have a young core of position players that can contend without adding on. The real issue is pitching. If Mathews regains his health, McGreevy continues to impress, and Roby is on the way, I think they can just make qualifying offers to Helsley and Fedde. While QOs are overpays for both, if they accept, the Cards should be in decent shape next year with a bullpen add or two. If they don't accept, the compensation pick may turn out to be a decent return, albeit, further away. I just don't think you can not add to this team if they are still playing well late into July. By the end of June, we should have an answer. They play a solid schedule in June, with several teams around 500 plus the Cubs and Dodgers. If they emerge with a winning record for the month of June, we should accept that this team is a contender.

[ClassicO]

If a respectable return presents itself, I’d still move Helsley regardless of the standings.

The CORRECT BASBEBALL DECISION is to extend Helsley for another 4 years sometime in the next 30 days.

Assumes a lot.
Hensley has to agree to only one offer without fielding others in free agency.
His agent will advise him to forego free agency.
The Cardinals, who have long absolutely butchered the signing of higher-end free agent relievers, will spend a huge amount of money on a reliever despite multiple options in the system (Roby, Hence, Graceffo, Granillo, etc.).
And most of all, you’ve advised doing it and you’re always wrong.

Assumes nothing.
All my analysis considers all available facts and contingencies - which is why my accuracy rate is well above 90%.
But then, you already know that.
If STL were to offer Helsley what I advised, he would sign it.
And for the Cardinals, it is indisputably the CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION.

How much is that 4 year contract you mentioned, pray tell?
And 90% accuracy? All of CT knows that’s only 89% off of your 1% rate.

The precise details of how the Cardinals could and should extend Helsley are in this thread.
A bit surprised you did not seek and save it.

Were you too embarrassed to repeat it?
$17M X 4 years to a reliever would make him the 3rd highest contract to a RP in history.

Remember your previous RP prediction? "Without another bat, I believe we can hold our nose, swoop in and grab [Greg] Holland at 3 years 50M and pretty much call it a winter. Holland will go to whomever first offers him 3 yrs at around 13M per."
Holand got a 1-yr., $14M contract and put up a 7.92 ERA with the Cards. The next 4 years, he averaged 8 saves with a 4.20 ERA.

[mattmitchl44]

The problem is, with the revenue disparity, I am not sure the Cards on paper will be a top 3-4 team in the next decade.

I have to believe that they can - but it will be a matter of making up for any lack of ML payroll compared to the Dodgers, Phillies, Mets, etc. by just being smarter in their decisions than other organizations.

[ecleme22]

The problem is, with the revenue disparity, I am not sure the Cards on paper will be a top 3-4 team in the next decade.

I have to believe that they can - but it will be a matter of making up for any lack of ML payroll compared to the Dodgers, Phillies, Mets, etc. by just being smarter in their decisions than other organizations.

Yep. It’s not like during the TLR years they were a top 3 payroll…

They made smart decisions.

[sikeston bulldog2]

The problem is, with the revenue disparity, I am not sure the Cards on paper will be a top 3-4 team in the next decade.

I have to believe that they can - but it will be a matter of making up for any lack of ML payroll compared to the Dodgers, Phillies, Mets, etc. by just being smarter in their decisions than other organizations.

This assumes the big money guys have not the smarts we do. I’d say they do. Plus the money.

Even if we are smart we compete against just as smart.

Brains and Bucks- B2.

[mattmitchl44]

The problem is, with the revenue disparity, I am not sure the Cards on paper will be a top 3-4 team in the next decade.

I have to believe that they can - but it will be a matter of making up for any lack of ML payroll compared to the Dodgers, Phillies, Mets, etc. by just being smarter in their decisions than other organizations.

This assumes the big money guys have not the smarts we do. I’d say they do. Plus the money.

Even if we are smart we compete against just as smart.

Brains and Bucks- B2.

Teams like the Rays, Guardians, and Brewers (all typically in the bottom 1/3 in ML payroll) have shown an ability to outperform their payrolls by just being smarter than everyone else. The Cardinals (typically a middle 1/3 in ML payroll team) need to be smart like those teams, with the addition of having somewhat more payroll muscle to use.