Trade Kyrou or Not?

[Harry York 37]

Are we really going to descend into arguing what adjectives to describe emotions while watching sports on tv are appropriate? Really?

I apologize.
I did not start it.

I did follow down the rabbit hole to prove it a ridiculous defense.

I don't like feeling embarrassed by the play of one of the Blues.
It usually makes me upset , and angry.

[netboy65]

The problem with Kyrou has always been that people think they can clearly tell what parts of hockey (any sport) come down to effort and what parts are natural ability. They assume that Kyrou's speed and skill are just natural ability while Walker's physical play is effort. It is just not that simple. Kyrou's speed and skill are a combination of genetics and time and effort put in to refine those skills. The exact same thing is true of Walker's physical game. Yet no one every says "why doesn't Walker try harder and score 30 goals."

You have no idea if Kyrou is lazy. He might be the hardest worker in the team. It takes an incredible amount of effort to develop the ability to become one of the fastest skaters in the league. It also takes a lot of natural ability. Just like it takes a lot of genetic fortune to have the build to throw the body around all day. That also takes a lot of work. It is never just one thing.

That’s fine but a player needs to work on his weaknesses too. You can’t just always work on your strengths. Do that and you might end up with a fatal flaw in your game…sort of like how Kyrou is an absolute powerhouse of a race car but is completely neutralized when the game gets physical and the opposition targets him along the boards.

And if/when Walker starts getting paid $8.125M/year, I’ll start asking for 30 goals out of him.

Kyrou actually scored at a 35 goal pace in the series.

Yep. And 0 assists and was a -4. On a team that was +4 at 5 on 5. And soft as heck on the boards.

We could do this all day.

We probably don't have to do that, I didn't think he played well either but he was not completely neutralized and he was almost certainly hurt.

Could he have had a better series? Probably.
Of the Blues 3 goals in Game 7, one by Kyrou, a gift (giveaway) goal by Joseph, and Faksa. Where was Thomas, Buch, Bolduc, Schenn, Neighbours?

Kyrou's goal in game seven was a gift.
He had two PP goals and was a boat anchor at even strength.

So now we count style points? How was it a gift? Wasn’t he driving the net with 55 just like everyone wants him to? Led the team in SOG, doesn’t seem very anchor-like to me
(BTW, I wasn’t dissing Joseph, he made a great shot, just saying he never should have had the puck in the first place, horrible giveaway by Jets)

[Bluesfan1978]

Kyrou did drive the net on that goal and did make some other plays during the series but you shouldn’t be able to count them on one hand. As a famous coach once said to Stevie Y do you want to be a 100 point player or do you want to win cups? If Stevie Y can be challenged to bring a better overall game than so can Jordan Kyrou.

[blues2112]

Kyrou did drive the net on that goal and did make some other plays during the series but you shouldn’t be able to count them on one hand. As a famous coach once said to Stevie Y do you want to be a 100 point player or do you want to win cups? If Stevie Y can be challenged to bring a better overall game than so can Jordan Kyrou.

If Yzerman can do something, then 99.2112 percent of other players cannot do it.

[netboy65]

Kyrou did drive the net on that goal and did make some other plays during the series but you shouldn’t be able to count them on one hand. As a famous coach once said to Stevie Y do you want to be a 100 point player or do you want to win cups? If Stevie Y can be challenged to bring a better overall game than so can Jordan Kyrou.

Kyrou performed well in the playoffs in 21-22 however he was a supporting player as ROR, Tarasenko were still driving the bus. This was our first playoff with Kyrou, Thomas, Schenn leading the charge. I’m sure there were plenty of lessons learned.

[Bluesfan1978]

Absolutely and Armstrong and Monty will know what they want to see from Kyrou and they will know what Kyrou is telling them he’s working to improve at.

[Bluesfan1978]

Kyrou did drive the net on that goal and did make some other plays during the series but you shouldn’t be able to count them on one hand. As a famous coach once said to Stevie Y do you want to be a 100 point player or do you want to win cups? If Stevie Y can be challenged to bring a better overall game than so can Jordan Kyrou.

If Yzerman can do something, then 99.2112 percent of other players cannot do it.

I’m not trying to compare Kyrou to Yzerman as a whole but the just the attitude to improve at what he needed to for the sake of the team. I also think Kyrou could be a 80-90 point player if he wants to be.

[Pierre McGuire]

Go back and watch game 7. You can clearly see that Kryou is injured plain as day. He was struggling at times to get anything going skating wise. Not that we can measure it but he wasn't anywhere close to 100%...i'm not sure he was even 75%.

[skilles]

Go back and watch game 7. You can clearly see that Kryou is injured plain as day. He was struggling at times to get anything going skating wise. Not that we can measure it but he wasn't anywhere close to 100%...i'm not sure he was even 75%.

Its amazing that people actually think he was just like Nah I'm just not going to play hard in game 7 of the Stanley cup Playoffs and amazing how out of touch people are and amazing how much I defend players I really don't even care for that much.

[blues2112]

Kyrou did drive the net on that goal and did make some other plays during the series but you shouldn’t be able to count them on one hand. As a famous coach once said to Stevie Y do you want to be a 100 point player or do you want to win cups? If Stevie Y can be challenged to bring a better overall game than so can Jordan Kyrou.

If Yzerman can do something, then 99.2112 percent of other players cannot do it.

I’m not trying to compare Kyrou to Yzerman as a whole but the just the attitude to improve at what he needed to for the sake of the team. I also think Kyrou could be a 80-90 point player if he wants to be.

How in the name of Bomac do you know anything about his "attitude"?

Of his draft class, he was 35th overall, but eighth in goals scored. Something about his "attitude" is working.

Not necessarily including you in his list of detractors, but he could score 50 goals and some would still complain about him.

[Bluesfan1978]

I personally don’t know anything about his attitude. But I know a well respected coach that was always trying to get more out of him that ended up fired. I know when being interviewed he doesn’t ever make any statements about what he’s going to do about getting better. Not specifically anyway. I know he’s been in the league several years now and prior to this past season he still looked the exact same physically as year 1. Anyway I’m not against Kyrou and I hope he continues to develop. But I 100% don’t agree with he’s scored 30 plus goals per year and that’s good enough cause he’s not paid to do anymore opinion. I want another cup for the team. So whether he was injured or not he still needs to keep him noticing the areas of his game that are weaknesses. If not trade him.

[dtkblueshockey]

The only reason this is coming up at all is because there is media buzz and stuff being stirred up about him because he has a NTC kicking in July 1.

I don’t know what more people want out of JK.

The guy has made improvements to his game every single year since the Blues were in the cellar. I think this season he was amazing down the stretch. I’m pretty sure the Holloway Schenn Kyrou line was one of the best in the entire league during the 19-3-4 run.

People talk about line pairs….well Holloway and Kyrou is probably this team’s deadliest pair and everyone wants to break it up.

Nuts.

[Harry York 37]

The only reason this is coming up at all is because there is media buzz and stuff being stirred up about him because he has a NTC kicking in July 1.

I don’t know what more people want out of JK.

The guy has made improvements to his game every single year since the Blues were in the cellar. I think this season he was amazing down the stretch. I’m pretty sure the Holloway Schenn Kyrou line was one of the best in the entire league during the 19-3-4 run.

People talk about line pairs….well Holloway and Kyrou is probably this team’s deadliest pair and everyone wants to break it up.

Nuts.

It's coming up because Kyrou had a miserable playoff series and was obviously not playing hard. Until I see that he had a real injury that could keep a player of his abilities from hustling and battling for pucks.... he is not of much use to me, or to the Blues.

They are the deadliest line combo on the team whenever they are together. They do things together (with Schenn watching the back door) that I haven't seen from two Bues forwards since Perron and Oshie.
It is growing increasingly difficult, to watch Kyrou- without Holloway- give up on the North South philosophy that got them into the playoffs. Stopping rushes at the opponent's blue line to try and make a play, or making a scared last second pass that gets picked off or dribbles ten feet into the zone. Losing the puck on the boards,,,often in Big Moments or in Big Games.

It appears the only way JK can begin to reach his full potential is with Holloway. He inspires, and possibly shames him into giving his all.



What if Holloway leaves after next season?



We have a glaring example of wasted potential on our books and in our locker rooms and on the ice and on the bench for four more years.

I have seen enough hockey and seen enough of Kyrou to abhor that scenario.

He was a boat anchor at even strength without Holloway this year. I could see a Brandon Saad scenario if Holloway leaves.
For his time here, he has shown great offensive numbers and has done well as a "team-first" player... only with Holloway.
He has also been one of the most spoiled and entitled players I have seen in a Blues uniform. Also- one of the least , motivated.

[netboy65]

Stopped rushes at the blue line cause he was waiting for his slow (bleep) linemates to catch up

No fan can know what goes on in the locker room or a players mental state or any of the other things mentioned. It’s just making stuff up to fit an agenda

[Harry York 37]

Stopped rushes at the blue line cause he was waiting for his slow (bleep) linemates to catch up

That would be his choice and it would be a silly choice that only a player more hockey dumb than I hope he is would make.

You NEVER do that...
What league did you ever learn that "tactic' in???
I can wait.

[HighStick]

Kyrou's got many skills and talents but they are all wrapped up tightly in one big vagina. He might score 30 but 20 times a season his vag will fall out of his mini skirt and get exposed. His lack of effort is sometimes glaring and costly.