Trade Kyrou or Not?

[skilles]

The problem with Kyrou has always been that people think they can clearly tell what parts of hockey (any sport) come down to effort and what parts are natural ability. They assume that Kyrou's speed and skill are just natural ability while Walker's physical play is effort. It is just not that simple. Kyrou's speed and skill are a combination of genetics and time and effort put in to refine those skills. The exact same thing is true of Walker's physical game. Yet no one every says "why doesn't Walker try harder and score 30 goals."

You have no idea if Kyrou is lazy. He might be the hardest worker in the team. It takes an incredible amount of effort to develop the ability to become one of the fastest skaters in the league. It also takes a lot of natural ability. Just like it takes a lot of genetic fortune to have the build to throw the body around all day. That also takes a lot of work. It is never just one thing.

That’s fine but a player needs to work on his weaknesses too. You can’t just always work on your strengths. Do that and you might end up with a fatal flaw in your game…sort of like how Kyrou is an absolute powerhouse of a race car but is completely neutralized when the game gets physical and the opposition targets him along the boards.

And if/when Walker starts getting paid $8.125M/year, I’ll start asking for 30 goals out of him.

Kyrou actually scored at a 35 goal pace in the series.

Yep. And 0 assists and was a -4. On a team that was +4 at 5 on 5. And soft as heck on the boards.

We could do this all day.

We probably don't have to do that, I didn't think he played well either but he was not completely neutralized and he was almost certainly hurt.

[Harry York 37]

The problem with Kyrou has always been that people think they can clearly tell what parts of hockey (any sport) come down to effort and what parts are natural ability. They assume that Kyrou's speed and skill are just natural ability while Walker's physical play is effort. It is just not that simple. Kyrou's speed and skill are a combination of genetics and time and effort put in to refine those skills. The exact same thing is true of Walker's physical game. Yet no one every says "why doesn't Walker try harder and score 30 goals."

You have no idea if Kyrou is lazy. He might be the hardest worker in the team. It takes an incredible amount of effort to develop the ability to become one of the fastest skaters in the league. It also takes a lot of natural ability. Just like it takes a lot of genetic fortune to have the build to throw the body around all day. That also takes a lot of work. It is never just one thing.

That’s fine but a player needs to work on his weaknesses too. You can’t just always work on your strengths. Do that and you might end up with a fatal flaw in your game…sort of like how Kyrou is an absolute powerhouse of a race car but is completely neutralized when the game gets physical and the opposition targets him along the boards.

And if/when Walker starts getting paid $8.125M/year, I’ll start asking for 30 goals out of him.

Kyrou actually scored at a 35 goal pace in the series.

and a minus 40 with Zero assists in 82 games....
He was a boat anchor at even strength.

[skilles]

lol imagine sitting on the couch being embarrassed by a professional athlete.

lol the culture we live in.

You have never been embarrassed by the play of one of the Blues?

What cloud are you watching from?

Not to put words in Skilles mouth but there’s a big difference between angry and embarrassed. Sure, you get mad at something a guy does, but I’m with him, not one time have I ever felt “embarrassed”

Oh Ive been very (upset) off lol

When you finish laughing can you explain the difference?
I have seen coaches being VERY upset because the play was embarrassing.

I think it would be easier for you to learn the difference(google) between "Embarassed" and "Angry" than it would be for me to explain it.

[theograce]

Yep. And 0 assists and was a -4.

Schenn was -5. At the end of the day, the scoring options at ES on that line aren’t top tier

[netboy65]

The problem with Kyrou has always been that people think they can clearly tell what parts of hockey (any sport) come down to effort and what parts are natural ability. They assume that Kyrou's speed and skill are just natural ability while Walker's physical play is effort. It is just not that simple. Kyrou's speed and skill are a combination of genetics and time and effort put in to refine those skills. The exact same thing is true of Walker's physical game. Yet no one every says "why doesn't Walker try harder and score 30 goals."

You have no idea if Kyrou is lazy. He might be the hardest worker in the team. It takes an incredible amount of effort to develop the ability to become one of the fastest skaters in the league. It also takes a lot of natural ability. Just like it takes a lot of genetic fortune to have the build to throw the body around all day. That also takes a lot of work. It is never just one thing.

That’s fine but a player needs to work on his weaknesses too. You can’t just always work on your strengths. Do that and you might end up with a fatal flaw in your game…sort of like how Kyrou is an absolute powerhouse of a race car but is completely neutralized when the game gets physical and the opposition targets him along the boards.

And if/when Walker starts getting paid $8.125M/year, I’ll start asking for 30 goals out of him.

Kyrou actually scored at a 35 goal pace in the series.

Yep. And 0 assists and was a -4. On a team that was +4 at 5 on 5. And soft as heck on the boards.

We could do this all day.

We probably don't have to do that, I didn't think he played well either but he was not completely neutralized and he was almost certainly hurt.

Could he have had a better series? Probably.
Of the Blues 3 goals in Game 7, one by Kyrou, a gift (giveaway) goal by Joseph, and Faksa. Where was Thomas, Buch, Bolduc, Schenn, Neighbours?

[Harry York 37]

lol imagine sitting on the couch being embarrassed by a professional athlete.

lol the culture we live in.

You have never been embarrassed by the play of one of the Blues?

What cloud are you watching from?

Not to put words in Skilles mouth but there’s a big difference between angry and embarrassed. Sure, you get mad at something a guy does, but I’m with him, not one time have I ever felt “embarrassed”

Oh Ive been very (upset) off lol

When you finish laughing can you explain the difference?
I have seen coaches being VERY upset because the play was embarrassing.

I think it would be easier for you to learn the difference(google) between "Embarassed" and "Angry" than it would be for me to explain it.

Anger almost always comes from a place of fear.
Most people are fearful of being embarrassed.

Next!

[theograce]

Anger almost always comes from a place of fear.

That’s not true at all.

[STL fan in MN]

The problem with Kyrou has always been that people think they can clearly tell what parts of hockey (any sport) come down to effort and what parts are natural ability. They assume that Kyrou's speed and skill are just natural ability while Walker's physical play is effort. It is just not that simple. Kyrou's speed and skill are a combination of genetics and time and effort put in to refine those skills. The exact same thing is true of Walker's physical game. Yet no one every says "why doesn't Walker try harder and score 30 goals."

You have no idea if Kyrou is lazy. He might be the hardest worker in the team. It takes an incredible amount of effort to develop the ability to become one of the fastest skaters in the league. It also takes a lot of natural ability. Just like it takes a lot of genetic fortune to have the build to throw the body around all day. That also takes a lot of work. It is never just one thing.

That’s fine but a player needs to work on his weaknesses too. You can’t just always work on your strengths. Do that and you might end up with a fatal flaw in your game…sort of like how Kyrou is an absolute powerhouse of a race car but is completely neutralized when the game gets physical and the opposition targets him along the boards.

And if/when Walker starts getting paid $8.125M/year, I’ll start asking for 30 goals out of him.

Kyrou actually scored at a 35 goal pace in the series.

Yep. And 0 assists and was a -4. On a team that was +4 at 5 on 5. And soft as heck on the boards.

We could do this all day.

We probably don't have to do that, I didn't think he played well either but he was not completely neutralized and he was almost certainly hurt.

I’ll be honest. I really want to know the extent of Kyrou’s injuries, assuming he was in fact injured. I truly do want to give him the benefit of the doubt here. And while i understand why Army would say “if you’re healthy enough to play then you’re healthy” and only went into detail on Holloway and Tucker’s injuries (and still very little details even on those 2 tbh), it would still be nice to know what guys were playing through. I heard over at HFBlues that Jamie Rivers was on the radio talking about the injuries guys had but didn’t connect any of the injuries to which players he was talking about. Anyone here hear that? I don’t exactly listen to STL sports radio.

[STL fan in MN]

Yep. And 0 assists and was a -4.

Schenn was -5. At the end of the day, the scoring options at ES on that line aren’t top tier

True but now you’re playing whataboutism. Schenn also wasn’t good enough. But the topic here is Kyrou. Schenn doesn’t make $8.125M, his contact doesn’t go for another 6 years and he doesn’t have zero trade protection through June 30th. It’s Kyrou that all that pertains to, thus why considering trading Kyrou before July 1 is a topic.

But feel free to make trading Schenn a topic too. Or how he wasn’t good enough. But that doesn’t change a dang thing about Kyrou.

[skilles]

The problem with Kyrou has always been that people think they can clearly tell what parts of hockey (any sport) come down to effort and what parts are natural ability. They assume that Kyrou's speed and skill are just natural ability while Walker's physical play is effort. It is just not that simple. Kyrou's speed and skill are a combination of genetics and time and effort put in to refine those skills. The exact same thing is true of Walker's physical game. Yet no one every says "why doesn't Walker try harder and score 30 goals."

You have no idea if Kyrou is lazy. He might be the hardest worker in the team. It takes an incredible amount of effort to develop the ability to become one of the fastest skaters in the league. It also takes a lot of natural ability. Just like it takes a lot of genetic fortune to have the build to throw the body around all day. That also takes a lot of work. It is never just one thing.

That’s fine but a player needs to work on his weaknesses too. You can’t just always work on your strengths. Do that and you might end up with a fatal flaw in your game…sort of like how Kyrou is an absolute powerhouse of a race car but is completely neutralized when the game gets physical and the opposition targets him along the boards.

And if/when Walker starts getting paid $8.125M/year, I’ll start asking for 30 goals out of him.

Kyrou actually scored at a 35 goal pace in the series.

Yep. And 0 assists and was a -4. On a team that was +4 at 5 on 5. And soft as heck on the boards.

We could do this all day.

We probably don't have to do that, I didn't think he played well either but he was not completely neutralized and he was almost certainly hurt.

I’ll be honest. I really want to know the extent of Kyrou’s injuries, assuming he was in fact injured. I truly do want to give him the benefit of the doubt here. And while i understand why Army would say “if you’re healthy enough to play then you’re healthy” and only went into detail on Holloway and Tucker’s injuries (and still very little details even on those 2 tbh), it would still be nice to know what guys were playing through. I heard over at HFBlues that Jamie Rivers was on the radio talking about the injuries guys had but didn’t connect any of the injuries to which players he was talking about. Anyone here hear that? I don’t exactly listen to STL sports radio.

I'm gonna bet ribs for Kyrou.

[STL fan in MN]

Are we really going to descend into arguing what adjectives to describe emotions while watching sports on tv are appropriate? Really?

[BluesDom]

I dont think they were severely injured. (A MERE FLESH WOUND )Thomas, kyrou etc--I think they are hockey players and they were not injured.
Rivers didnt say that anyone was badly injured. Banged up yes--But ready to go.

No story here imo. NHL players are tough. All the players are dealing with stuff.

I figured Schenn and Binner are beat up--They went to IIHF tournament. Amazing. Paraykos beat up--playing 30+ minutes--Guys are amazing.

[theograce]

Yep. And 0 assists and was a -4.

Schenn was -5. At the end of the day, the scoring options at ES on that line aren’t top tier

True but now you’re playing whataboutism. Schenn also wasn’t good enough. But the topic here is Kyrou. Schenn doesn’t make $8.125M

Schenn doesn’t make peanuts. Scoring goals is so hard in the playoffs. I mean Buchnevich has scored an ES goal in 1 of the 27 playoff games in his career. I don’t care much about his assists. That’s not good enough.

The thing is, people talk about Kyrou not being built for the playoffs and that he’s soft…then the same people think we could get a kings ransom for him. It’s weird

[Harry York 37]

The problem with Kyrou has always been that people think they can clearly tell what parts of hockey (any sport) come down to effort and what parts are natural ability. They assume that Kyrou's speed and skill are just natural ability while Walker's physical play is effort. It is just not that simple. Kyrou's speed and skill are a combination of genetics and time and effort put in to refine those skills. The exact same thing is true of Walker's physical game. Yet no one every says "why doesn't Walker try harder and score 30 goals."

You have no idea if Kyrou is lazy. He might be the hardest worker in the team. It takes an incredible amount of effort to develop the ability to become one of the fastest skaters in the league. It also takes a lot of natural ability. Just like it takes a lot of genetic fortune to have the build to throw the body around all day. That also takes a lot of work. It is never just one thing.

That’s fine but a player needs to work on his weaknesses too. You can’t just always work on your strengths. Do that and you might end up with a fatal flaw in your game…sort of like how Kyrou is an absolute powerhouse of a race car but is completely neutralized when the game gets physical and the opposition targets him along the boards.

And if/when Walker starts getting paid $8.125M/year, I’ll start asking for 30 goals out of him.

Kyrou actually scored at a 35 goal pace in the series.

Yep. And 0 assists and was a -4. On a team that was +4 at 5 on 5. And soft as heck on the boards.

We could do this all day.

We probably don't have to do that, I didn't think he played well either but he was not completely neutralized and he was almost certainly hurt.

Could he have had a better series? Probably.
Of the Blues 3 goals in Game 7, one by Kyrou, a gift (giveaway) goal by Joseph, and Faksa. Where was Thomas, Buch, Bolduc, Schenn, Neighbours?

Kyrou's goal in game seven was a gift.
He had two PP goals and was a boat anchor at even strength.

[theograce]

He had two PP goals and was a boat anchor at even strength.

But you think buchnevich is great lol

[skilles]

I dont think they were severely injured. (A MERE FLESH WOUND )Thomas, kyrou etc--I think they are hockey players and they were not injured.
Rivers didnt say that anyone was badly injured. Banged up yes--But ready to go.

No story here imo. NHL players are tough. All the players are dealing with stuff.

I figured Schenn and Binner are beat up--They went to IIHF tournament. Amazing. Paraykos beat up--playing 30+ minutes--Guys are amazing.

I'm around it all the time, I see elite athletes compete with incredible heart all the time and all the time I see them do so only to be criticized for their performance when its actually incredible they were able to do it at all.