Attendance

[ecleme22]

Just watched hilights from game today. Pretty sparse crowd in the outfield all game. I guess it’s what we expected after the last two seasons and the pronouncement from Mo to pretty much accept mediocrity but man it makes me sad to see the lack of interest.

Eh, the boring Twins were the opponent, and the weather was iffy.

Yeah, “the OPPOSING team isn’t interesting enough” and
“what if I get wet?” sounds wayyyyyyy better on the BFIB reputation as opposed to “we’re starting to get sick of the complacency” when explaining why the opening day weekend crowd was unimpressive……..

I guess the forecast thunderstorms had nothing to do with it.

Man, you can come up with more excuses. Advance ticket sales have nothing to do with a weather forecast.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/hi ... 7c70&ei=10

Those crowd shots are extremely concerning. There is No Crowd!!!

Wow. Looks like Pittsburgh or Oakland.

We must be near rock bottom at this point

As long as team keeps Winning, couldn't care if they were playing to an Entirely Empty Stadium.

I mean, the bold is the key.

Fans were disappointed by the lack of offseason movement and didn't want to throw down big money right away.

Winning solves all.

Cards keep playing good baseball, Busch will be packed by late April.

It will take much longer than April because crowds are generally advance ticket sales. I have enjoyed the first three games and hopefully good sound fundamental baseball will continue.

Maybe, but hot tickets are hot tickets.

And tickets can be bought instantly.

Pre-season ticket sales is what has been the Cardinals trademark for years. That's why they can have 30,000 in the seats and paid attendance is 36 or 38,000. This will be a down year on attendance no matter how well they play. It would be interesting to know what the pre-season tickets were this year.

That doesn’t mean it can’t change. Play well enough Ab tickets will be bought. Yes it may be down a bit due to April and maybe May, but I think the enthusiasm can be there in a heartbeat if they continue to play well.

Exactly.

[rockondlouie]

BTW

April/May are always tough draws, especially during the week when the kiddies are in school + the weather can be nasty.

[Bully4you]

BTW

April/May are always tough draws, especially during the week when the kiddies are in school + the weather can be nasty.

Yes, the weather is a factor.
I wouldn't draw any conclusions on attendance
this early on.

[rockondlouie]

BTW

April/May are always tough draws, especially during the week when the kiddies are in school + the weather can be nasty.

Yes, the weather is a factor.
I wouldn't draw any conclusions on attendance
this early on.

I would think BDWJr is elated w/ a 35,010 average this weekend (especially given Sunday's forecast), #8 in MLB.

2.8+M pace

[Futuregm2]

BTW

April/May are always tough draws, especially during the week when the kiddies are in school + the weather can be nasty.

Yes, the weather is a factor.
I wouldn't draw any conclusions on attendance
this early on.

I would think BDWJr is elated a/35,010 average this weekend (especially given Sunday's forecast), #8 in MLB.

2.8+M pace

They are down 6,363 yoy. MLB in general is UP 1,114. The only team with a bigger decrease than the Cardinals are the Rays, who are playing in a minor league park compared to a MLB park last year. They had a game under 30,000 over the weekend. They didn’t have a game under 30,000 at home last year until mid August when it was clear they weren’t contending, outside of the game against SF in Alabama.

I don’t think he’s that “elated” or that it’s good. Middle of the pack would be their worst attendance rank in decades. I think the last time they were outside of the top 10 in a full year was like the early 90s.

[BrummerStealsHome]

The Cards will be good to draw over 24K tonight. Monday night game in March, school night, temps dropping from low 50s to high 40s during game, a rather dull AL team on the schedule. Folks might try to make it about Dewitt and Mo and declining fan interest, but it will be more about the circumstances I mentioned.

[Absolut]

https://athlonsports.com/mlb/historic-m ... -home-game

[rockondlouie]

BTW

April/May are always tough draws, especially during the week when the kiddies are in school + the weather can be nasty.

Yes, the weather is a factor.
I wouldn't draw any conclusions on attendance
this early on.

I would think BDWJr is elated a/35,010 average this weekend (especially given Sunday's forecast), #8 in MLB.

2.8+M pace

They are down 6,363 yoy. MLB in general is UP 1,114. The only team with a bigger decrease than the Cardinals are the Rays, who are playing in a minor league park compared to a MLB park last year.

I don’t think he’s that “elated” or that it’s good. Middle of the pack would be their worst attendance rank in decades. I think the last time they were outside of the top 10 in a full year was like the early 90s.

Sunday was suppose to be a Grade 3 nasty weather day that may have kept quite a few away + the fact that other than P. Maton they made no real moves.

I saw crowds when at the games last August/September that were well under 20,000, I'd bet BDWJr was indeed elated w/35,010 average given he could've been looking at way lower w/ the weather and offseason pessimism/inaction.

[Futuregm2]

BTW

April/May are always tough draws, especially during the week when the kiddies are in school + the weather can be nasty.

Yes, the weather is a factor.
I wouldn't draw any conclusions on attendance
this early on.

I would think BDWJr is elated a/35,010 average this weekend (especially given Sunday's forecast), #8 in MLB.

2.8+M pace

They are down 6,363 yoy. MLB in general is UP 1,114. The only team with a bigger decrease than the Cardinals are the Rays, who are playing in a minor league park compared to a MLB park last year.

I don’t think he’s that “elated” or that it’s good. Middle of the pack would be their worst attendance rank in decades. I think the last time they were outside of the top 10 in a full year was like the early 90s.

Sunday was suppose to be a Grade 3 nasty weather day that may have kept quite a few away + the fact that other than P. Maton they made no real moves.

I saw crowds when at the games last August/September that were well under 20,000, I'd bet BDWJr was indeed elated w/35,010 average given he could've been looking at way lower w/ the weather and offseason pessimism/inaction.

The average is helped significantly by Opening day though. The less than 30,000 was a historically low total. The Cardinals hadn’t had a sub 30,000 game in March/April in Busch III until yesterday. It has everything to do with the offseason and pessimism towards the ownership/team. The rest of the “excuses” don’t fly when I’m sure there have been other bad weather days in April over the last 20 years.

Winning can change things, but it will take a little time. If they don’t win, they are in for as bad as anyone expected IMO…and maybe worse.

[renostl]

The Cards will be good to draw over 24K tonight. Monday night game in March, school night, temps dropping from low 50s to high 40s during game, a rather dull AL team on the schedule. Folks might try to make it about Dewitt and Mo and declining fan interest, but it will be more about the circumstances I mentioned.

Do you think that the huge contracts that are given out have an effect?

Most realize it's not the pool smaller markets deal in true. But does it underscore
a perception that a team isn't "trying hard enough to win"

At one time underdog was embraced.

[Lloyd Braun]

If they win and keep playing fun, crisp, clean baseball... they will draw.
(bleep) weather and the incoming season expectations will deal a blow to the early season attendance.

[Cranny]

Just watched hilights from game today. Pretty sparse crowd in the outfield all game. I guess it’s what we expected after the last two seasons and the pronouncement from Mo to pretty much accept mediocrity but man it makes me sad to see the lack of interest.

Eh, the boring Twins were the opponent, and the weather was iffy.

Yeah, “the OPPOSING team isn’t interesting enough” and
“what if I get wet?” sounds wayyyyyyy better on the BFIB reputation as opposed to “we’re starting to get sick of the complacency” when explaining why the opening day weekend crowd was unimpressive……..

I guess the forecast thunderstorms had nothing to do with it.

Man, you can come up with more excuses. Advance ticket sales have nothing to do with a weather forecast.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/hi ... 7c70&ei=10

My entire life
Kids have attended School
There’s been weather
Games have started around 7pm
Games have been on Holidays
And when theres been an exciting winning team……..with an ownership that seemed to give 2 chits……Busch Stadium has been mostly full
But now that the team hasn’t been winning or playing exciting baseball with an owner who seems to no longer care to win…..attendance is solely affected by the items listed above

A contributing factor might be that inflation has lowered the family recreational budget somewhat.

MLB Attendance through the first 2-4 games of the teams that have been at home has been up by 1,114 per game. And that is unjustly affected by TB being in a minor league park vs MLB park (a 10,815 difference per game).

Right now of the 16 teams with a home game, we have the biggest decrease yoy per game (-6,363) outside of TB.

And if that pace kept for us, it would put our attendance at 2.36 million for the season. And if everything else stayed the same that puts us around 17th in the game.

In other words ownership better hope the team keeps playing like they have or they could be looking at a bottom half team in attendance.

Good post and no one booed at management and ownership in the opener.

You poor thing. You have nothing better to do with your day than that?
So sad.

I tell the truth. I just believe your love for ownership and the excuses you make. You know yourself most of the paid tickets are from pre-season sales.

Of course advance ticket sales are going to be down when there are several non playoff years in a row. What do you expect. Duh.

By the way, Red, I always step forward with the things "I like" that the Cardinals are doing, and the things "I don't care for".
I don't have a "love for ownership". but I do appreciate some of the Cardinals best baseball in their history this century - with 2 world titles, 3 World Series appearances, and only two losing seasons. Where do the Cardinals rank in regular season wins and playoff wins this century - 3rd perhaps? Top 10%?

[OldRed]

Just watched hilights from game today. Pretty sparse crowd in the outfield all game. I guess it’s what we expected after the last two seasons and the pronouncement from Mo to pretty much accept mediocrity but man it makes me sad to see the lack of interest.

Eh, the boring Twins were the opponent, and the weather was iffy.

Yeah, “the OPPOSING team isn’t interesting enough” and
“what if I get wet?” sounds wayyyyyyy better on the BFIB reputation as opposed to “we’re starting to get sick of the complacency” when explaining why the opening day weekend crowd was unimpressive……..

I guess the forecast thunderstorms had nothing to do with it.

Man, you can come up with more excuses. Advance ticket sales have nothing to do with a weather forecast.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/hi ... 7c70&ei=10

My entire life
Kids have attended School
There’s been weather
Games have started around 7pm
Games have been on Holidays
And when theres been an exciting winning team……..with an ownership that seemed to give 2 chits……Busch Stadium has been mostly full
But now that the team hasn’t been winning or playing exciting baseball with an owner who seems to no longer care to win…..attendance is solely affected by the items listed above

A contributing factor might be that inflation has lowered the family recreational budget somewhat.

MLB Attendance through the first 2-4 games of the teams that have been at home has been up by 1,114 per game. And that is unjustly affected by TB being in a minor league park vs MLB park (a 10,815 difference per game).

Right now of the 16 teams with a home game, we have the biggest decrease yoy per game (-6,363) outside of TB.

And if that pace kept for us, it would put our attendance at 2.36 million for the season. And if everything else stayed the same that puts us around 17th in the game.

In other words ownership better hope the team keeps playing like they have or they could be looking at a bottom half team in attendance.

Good post and no one booed at management and ownership in the opener.

You poor thing. You have nothing better to do with your day than that?
So sad.

I tell the truth. I just believe your love for ownership and the excuses you make. You know yourself most of the paid tickets are from pre-season sales.

Of course advance ticket sales are going to be down when there are several non playoff years in a row. What do you expect. Duh.

By the way, Red, I always step forward with the things "I like" that the Cardinals are doing, and the things "I don't care for".
I don't have a "love for ownership". but I do appreciate some of the Cardinals best baseball in their history this century - with 2 world titles, 3 World Series appearances, and only two losing seasons. Where do the Cardinals rank in regular season wins and playoff wins this century - 3rd perhaps? Top 10%?

by Cranny » 30 Mar 2025 22:25 pm

I guess the forecast thunderstorms had nothing to do with it.

Flip - Flop.

[BrummerStealsHome]

The Cards will be good to draw over 24K tonight. Monday night game in March, school night, temps dropping from low 50s to high 40s during game, a rather dull AL team on the schedule. Folks might try to make it about Dewitt and Mo and declining fan interest, but it will be more about the circumstances I mentioned.

Do you think that the huge contracts that are given out have an effect?

Most realize it's not the pool smaller markets deal in true. But does it underscore
a perception that a team isn't "trying hard enough to win"

At one time underdog was embraced.

I don't know a single person whose decision matrix on whether to attend a game has anything to do with contracts.

[desertrat23]

Just watched hilights from game today. Pretty sparse crowd in the outfield all game. I guess it’s what we expected after the last two seasons and the pronouncement from Mo to pretty much accept mediocrity but man it makes me sad to see the lack of interest.

Eh, the boring Twins were the opponent, and the weather was iffy.

Yeah, “the OPPOSING team isn’t interesting enough” and
“what if I get wet?” sounds wayyyyyyy better on the BFIB reputation as opposed to “we’re starting to get sick of the complacency” when explaining why the opening day weekend crowd was unimpressive……..

I guess the forecast thunderstorms had nothing to do with it.

Man, you can come up with more excuses. Advance ticket sales have nothing to do with a weather forecast.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/hi ... 7c70&ei=10

My entire life
Kids have attended School
There’s been weather
Games have started around 7pm
Games have been on Holidays
And when theres been an exciting winning team……..with an ownership that seemed to give 2 chits……Busch Stadium has been mostly full
But now that the team hasn’t been winning or playing exciting baseball with an owner who seems to no longer care to win…..attendance is solely affected by the items listed above

A contributing factor might be that inflation has lowered the family recreational budget somewhat.

MLB Attendance through the first 2-4 games of the teams that have been at home has been up by 1,114 per game. And that is unjustly affected by TB being in a minor league park vs MLB park (a 10,815 difference per game).

Right now of the 16 teams with a home game, we have the biggest decrease yoy per game (-6,363) outside of TB.

And if that pace kept for us, it would put our attendance at 2.36 million for the season. And if everything else stayed the same that puts us around 17th in the game.

In other words ownership better hope the team keeps playing like they have or they could be looking at a bottom half team in attendance.

Good post and no one booed at management and ownership in the opener.

You poor thing. You have nothing better to do with your day than that?
So sad.

I tell the truth. I just believe your love for ownership and the excuses you make. You know yourself most of the paid tickets are from pre-season sales.

Of course advance ticket sales are going to be down when there are several non playoff years in a row. What do you expect. Duh.

By the way, Red, I always step forward with the things "I like" that the Cardinals are doing, and the things "I don't care for".
I don't have a "love for ownership". but I do appreciate some of the Cardinals best baseball in their history this century - with 2 world titles, 3 World Series appearances, and only two losing seasons. Where do the Cardinals rank in regular season wins and playoff wins this century - 3rd perhaps? Top 10%?

I wish you were my boss, Cranny. I wouldn't have to continue to excel or work hard, because I worked hard 10-15 years ago and that's good enough. Those annual performance reviews would be a snap!

[Futuregm2]

Eh, the boring Twins were the opponent, and the weather was iffy.

Yeah, “the OPPOSING team isn’t interesting enough” and
“what if I get wet?” sounds wayyyyyyy better on the BFIB reputation as opposed to “we’re starting to get sick of the complacency” when explaining why the opening day weekend crowd was unimpressive……..

I guess the forecast thunderstorms had nothing to do with it.

Man, you can come up with more excuses. Advance ticket sales have nothing to do with a weather forecast.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/hi ... 7c70&ei=10

My entire life
Kids have attended School
There’s been weather
Games have started around 7pm
Games have been on Holidays
And when theres been an exciting winning team……..with an ownership that seemed to give 2 chits……Busch Stadium has been mostly full
But now that the team hasn’t been winning or playing exciting baseball with an owner who seems to no longer care to win…..attendance is solely affected by the items listed above

A contributing factor might be that inflation has lowered the family recreational budget somewhat.

MLB Attendance through the first 2-4 games of the teams that have been at home has been up by 1,114 per game. And that is unjustly affected by TB being in a minor league park vs MLB park (a 10,815 difference per game).

Right now of the 16 teams with a home game, we have the biggest decrease yoy per game (-6,363) outside of TB.

And if that pace kept for us, it would put our attendance at 2.36 million for the season. And if everything else stayed the same that puts us around 17th in the game.

In other words ownership better hope the team keeps playing like they have or they could be looking at a bottom half team in attendance.

Good post and no one booed at management and ownership in the opener.

You poor thing. You have nothing better to do with your day than that?
So sad.

I tell the truth. I just believe your love for ownership and the excuses you make. You know yourself most of the paid tickets are from pre-season sales.

Of course advance ticket sales are going to be down when there are several non playoff years in a row. What do you expect. Duh.

By the way, Red, I always step forward with the things "I like" that the Cardinals are doing, and the things "I don't care for".
I don't have a "love for ownership". but I do appreciate some of the Cardinals best baseball in their history this century - with 2 world titles, 3 World Series appearances, and only two losing seasons. Where do the Cardinals rank in regular season wins and playoff wins this century - 3rd perhaps? Top 10%?

I wish you were my boss, Cranny. I wouldn't have to continue to excel or work hard, because I worked hard 10-15 years ago and that's good enough. Those annual performance reviews would be a snap!

Cranny still renews his blockbuster card every year.