It seems most posters feel Walker and Gorman will be more productive than Burleson

[scoutyjones2]

Obviously, it's imperative that Walker and Gorman demonstrate the lofty goals the Cardinals had/have for them. However, it will be almost as important for Burleson to return to the All Star caliber production he had the first half of '24. He was really good. How soon some forget that.

He had 2 great months. 45 of his 78 RBI came in June and July. In the other 4 months he had RBI totals of 10, 8, 9, and 6. Gorman sucked last year and then got sent down and he actually had more 10+ RBI months (4) than Burleson (3).

That's exactly my point. "it will be almost as important for Burleson to return to the All Star caliber production he had the first half of '24". It will be fascinating to see how all three produce in '25. Walker, Gorman and Burleson.

The ban is coming...you can feel it in the air...

[Drewman+]

Obviously, it's imperative that Walker and Gorman demonstrate the lofty goals the Cardinals had/have for them. However, it will be almost as important for Burleson to return to the All Star caliber production he had the first half of '24. He was really good. How soon some forget that.

He had 2 great months. 45 of his 78 RBI came in June and July. In the other 4 months he had RBI totals of 10, 8, 9, and 6. Gorman sucked last year and then got sent down and he actually had more 10+ RBI months (4) than Burleson (3).

That's exactly my point. "it will be almost as important for Burleson to return to the All Star caliber production he had the first half of '24". It will be fascinating to see how all three produce in '25. Walker, Gorman and Burleson.

The ban is coming...you can feel it in the air...

Absolutely. Also now is posting as Pure Vida. Meltdown and banning is so close.

[NYCardsFan]

Obviously, it's imperative that Walker and Gorman demonstrate the lofty goals the Cardinals had/have for them. However, it will be almost as important for Burleson to return to the All Star caliber production he had the first half of '24. He was really good. How soon some forget that.

Narrator: Burleson never had "All-Star caliber" production. Shady is once again weaving fact-free fiction.

At the All Star break, Burleson was sitting at 1.4 fWAR, which (generously) extrapolates to somewhere between 2.0-2.5 fWAR for a full season if he were able to maintain the same pace. 2.0-2.5 fWAR is basically the production of a lower-end solid starter, but well short of "All Star"-level production. Of course, the reality is that the AS break marked pretty close to the high water mark for Burleson in 2024, he was not able to maintain the same pace, and he ended the year at 0.6 fWAR.

[Drewman+]

Obviously, it's imperative that Walker and Gorman demonstrate the lofty goals the Cardinals had/have for them. However, it will be almost as important for Burleson to return to the All Star caliber production he had the first half of '24. He was really good. How soon some forget that.

He had 2 great months. 45 of his 78 RBI came in June and July. In the other 4 months he had RBI totals of 10, 8, 9, and 6. Gorman sucked last year and then got sent down and he actually had more 10+ RBI months (4) than Burleson (3).

That's exactly my point. "it will be almost as important for Burleson to return to the All Star caliber production he had the first half of '24". It will be fascinating to see how all three produce in '25. Walker, Gorman and Burleson.

That's really what Buttercup and Sanusual6 and Robert Shelton always say?

[Shady]

Obviously, it's imperative that Walker and Gorman demonstrate the lofty goals the Cardinals had/have for them. However, it will be almost as important for Burleson to return to the All Star caliber production he had the first half of '24. He was really good. How soon some forget that.

He had 2 great months. 45 of his 78 RBI came in June and July. In the other 4 months he had RBI totals of 10, 8, 9, and 6. Gorman sucked last year and then got sent down and he actually had more 10+ RBI months (4) than Burleson (3).

That's exactly my point. "it will be almost as important for Burleson to return to the All Star caliber production he had the first half of '24". It will be fascinating to see how all three produce in '25. Walker, Gorman and Burleson.

That's really what Buttercup and Sanusual6 and Robert Shelton always say?

This thread was heading out of the front page. Gracias for the bump.

[NYCardsFan]

Obviously, it's imperative that Walker and Gorman demonstrate the lofty goals the Cardinals had/have for them. However, it will be almost as important for Burleson to return to the All Star caliber production he had the first half of '24. He was really good. How soon some forget that.

He had 2 great months. 45 of his 78 RBI came in June and July. In the other 4 months he had RBI totals of 10, 8, 9, and 6. Gorman sucked last year and then got sent down and he actually had more 10+ RBI months (4) than Burleson (3).

That's exactly my point. "it will be almost as important for Burleson to return to the All Star caliber production he had the first half of '24". It will be fascinating to see how all three produce in '25. Walker, Gorman and Burleson.

That's really what Buttercup and Sanusual6 and Robert Shelton always say?

This thread was heading out of the front page. Gracias for the bump.

Why do you even care?

Unless, of course, your primary purpose on this forum is to get attention . . .

[Shady]

Obviously, it's imperative that Walker and Gorman demonstrate the lofty goals the Cardinals had/have for them. However, it will be almost as important for Burleson to return to the All Star caliber production he had the first half of '24. He was really good. How soon some forget that.

He had 2 great months. 45 of his 78 RBI came in June and July. In the other 4 months he had RBI totals of 10, 8, 9, and 6. Gorman sucked last year and then got sent down and he actually had more 10+ RBI months (4) than Burleson (3).

That's exactly my point. "it will be almost as important for Burleson to return to the All Star caliber production he had the first half of '24". It will be fascinating to see how all three produce in '25. Walker, Gorman and Burleson.

That's really what Buttercup and Sanusual6 and Robert Shelton always say?

This thread was heading out of the front page. Gracias for the bump.

Why do you even care?

Unless, of course, your primary purpose on this forum is to get attention . . .

Because I enjoy baseball discussion on topics that interest me. Especially, courteous responses. Any other questions?

[Drewman+]

Obviously, it's imperative that Walker and Gorman demonstrate the lofty goals the Cardinals had/have for them. However, it will be almost as important for Burleson to return to the All Star caliber production he had the first half of '24. He was really good. How soon some forget that.

He had 2 great months. 45 of his 78 RBI came in June and July. In the other 4 months he had RBI totals of 10, 8, 9, and 6. Gorman sucked last year and then got sent down and he actually had more 10+ RBI months (4) than Burleson (3).

That's exactly my point. "it will be almost as important for Burleson to return to the All Star caliber production he had the first half of '24". It will be fascinating to see how all three produce in '25. Walker, Gorman and Burleson.

That's really what Buttercup and Sanusual6 and Robert Shelton always say?

This thread was heading out of the front page. Gracias for the bump.

Why do you even care?

Unless, of course, your primary purpose on this forum is to get attention . . .

Because I enjoy baseball discussion on topics that interest me. Especially, courteous responses. Any other questions?

Pure Vida always says that.
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[SamTheMan]

For what it's worth, my prediction for TGAB...
12 HR
48 RBI
.248, .297, .386, .683

[Shady]

For what it's worth, my prediction for TGAB...
12 HR
48 RBI
.248, .297, .386, .683

If he's a part time player. Some of your numbers are feasible. However, I'd be really surprised if Burleson ends up with a BA under .250 if he sees, primarily, RHP. He could very likely be the best hitter on the current roster against RHP.

[Pura Vida]

Obviously, it's imperative that Walker and Gorman demonstrate the lofty goals the Cardinals had/have for them. However, it will be almost as important for Burleson to return to the All Star caliber production he had the first half of '24. He was really good. How soon some forget that.

He had 2 great months. 45 of his 78 RBI came in June and July. In the other 4 months he had RBI totals of 10, 8, 9, and 6. Gorman sucked last year and then got sent down and he actually had more 10+ RBI months (4) than Burleson (3).

That's exactly my point. "it will be almost as important for Burleson to return to the All Star caliber production he had the first half of '24". It will be fascinating to see how all three produce in '25. Walker, Gorman and Burleson.

That's really what Buttercup and Sanusual6 and Robert Shelton always say?

This thread was heading out of the front page. Gracias for the bump.

Why do you even care?

Unless, of course, your primary purpose on this forum is to get attention . . .

Because I enjoy baseball discussion on topics that interest me. Especially, courteous responses. Any other questions?

Pure Vida always says that.
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What are you talking about? This is juvenile!

[NYCardsFan]

For what it's worth, my prediction for TGAB...
12 HR
48 RBI
.248, .297, .386, .683

If he's a part time player. Some of your numbers are feasible. However, I'd be really surprised if Burleson ends up with a BA under .250 if he sees, primarily, RHP. He could very likely be the best hitter on the current roster against RHP.

We've gone over this before: In 2024 alone, Contreras, Donovan, and Herrera were all better hitters than Burleson vs. RHP. And career-wise, Burleson is not even close to being the best hitter on the current roster vs. RHP. Why do you keep repeating claims that you know aren't true? I don't know, Shady, sure seems like you might be operating in bad faith . . .

[Monsieur De Treville]

For what it's worth, my prediction for TGAB...
12 HR
48 RBI
.248, .297, .386, .683

If he's a part time player. Some of your numbers are feasible. However, I'd be really surprised if Burleson ends up with a BA under .250 if he sees, primarily, RHP. He could very likely be the best hitter on the current roster against RHP.

We've gone over this before: In 2024 alone, Contreras, Donovan, and Herrera were all better hitters than Burleson vs. RHP. And career-wise, Burleson is not even close to being the best hitter on the current roster vs. RHP. Why do you keep repeating claims that you know aren't true? I don't know, Shady, sure seems like you might be operating in bad faith . . .

I have a theory...,

Since ShadyMapleWallyRobertEtc is incapable of using meaningful data to back up his wild claims, he simply assumes we are as obtuse as he is. Also, he's never been MAN ENOUGH to say, "Wow, thanks for showing me why my claim was wildly wrong by sharing data...Onviously, I was wrong".

It's just not in his DNA.

Therefore, before we know it....he'll be back to saying things like..."Burleson is as good a hitter as Ted Simmons"
or "Burly runs as well as Tommy Edman".

It will never end...

[ecleme22]

For what it's worth, my prediction for TGAB...
12 HR
48 RBI
.248, .297, .386, .683

If he's a part time player. Some of your numbers are feasible. However, I'd be really surprised if Burleson ends up with a BA under .250 if he sees, primarily, RHP. He could very likely be the best hitter on the current roster against RHP.

2023: 318 PA vs RHP, .243 BA and .699 OPS

[Shady]

For what it's worth, my prediction for TGAB...
12 HR
48 RBI
.248, .297, .386, .683

If he's a part time player. Some of your numbers are feasible. However, I'd be really surprised if Burleson ends up with a BA under .250 if he sees, primarily, RHP. He could very likely be the best hitter on the current roster against RHP.

We've gone over this before: In 2024 alone, Contreras, Donovan, and Herrera were all better hitters than Burleson vs. RHP. And career-wise, Burleson is not even close to being the best hitter on the current roster vs. RHP. Why do you keep repeating claims that you know aren't true? I don't know, Shady, sure seems like you might be operating in bad faith . . .

I have pointed out the adoration Cardinals experts have alluded to about Burleson's hitting ability. And who they would prefer batting in the clutch against outstanding RHP pitching. The doubters have called the experts shills for the organizations. But think about it, why don't they say those same distinct accolades for other players? I don't hear that about Contreras, Donovan, Winn, etc. Burleson seems to be their preference. It kind of reinforces what I've tried to get across for a long time on CT. That's where I'm coming from.

[Shady]

Obviously, it's imperative that Walker and Gorman demonstrate the lofty goals the Cardinals had/have for them. However, it will be almost as important for Burleson to return to the All Star caliber production he had the first half of '24. He was really good. How soon some forget that.

He had 2 great months. 45 of his 78 RBI came in June and July. In the other 4 months he had RBI totals of 10, 8, 9, and 6. Gorman sucked last year and then got sent down and he actually had more 10+ RBI months (4) than Burleson (3).

That's exactly my point. "it will be almost as important for Burleson to return to the All Star caliber production he had the first half of '24". It will be fascinating to see how all three produce in '25. Walker, Gorman and Burleson.

That's really what Buttercup and Sanusual6 and Robert Shelton always say?

This thread was heading out of the front page. Gracias for the bump.

Why do you even care?

Unless, of course, your primary purpose on this forum is to get attention . . .

Because I enjoy baseball discussion on topics that interest me. Especially, courteous responses. Any other questions?

Pure Vida always says that.
#reported

What are you talking about? This is juvenile!

Welcome to the club. We are dealing with some vindictive, twightlight zone individuals. Just ignore them.