no matter who the cards receive in theri trades it will be deemed awful by the genius scouts here

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no matter who the cards receive in theri trades it will be deemed awful by the genius scouts here

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it is amazing, you dont even have to look..you know that every trade the cards make will be determined to be awful by people here weho literally have zero information to make such a determination...it is like the people who tell you a draft pick is bad because somebody rated the prospect number10 and he was drafted 5...it is funny actually
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jbrach wrote: 30 Jul 2025 18:35 pm it is amazing, you dont even have to look..you know that every trade the cards make will be determined to be awful by people here weho literally have zero information to make such a determination...it is like the people who tell you a draft pick is bad because somebody rated the prospect number10 and he was drafted 5...it is funny actually
I can look up these players and see how they’ve fared so far, and what I see is an A ball infielder who barely has hit .240. A starting pitcher in A ball who hardly goes 4 innings in any start.
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jbrach wrote: 30 Jul 2025 18:35 pm it is amazing, you dont even have to look..you know that every trade the cards make will be determined to be awful by people here weho literally have zero information to make such a determination...it is like the people who tell you a draft pick is bad because somebody rated the prospect number10 and he was drafted 5...it is funny actually
No I knew mo should have traded him in the offseason but he would be dumb and have to trade him for a meh return at the deadline so I wasn’t surprised or disappointed at all because mo is dumb and does dumb things like helsley and fedde well past their peak value
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Why get one GOOD prospect when you can get three "eh...maybes"!

The headliner of this deal is BARELY hitting .240.
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I don’t know what people were expecting. The return for Helsley was never going to wow anyone. He’s having a down year and he’s a rental.

Getting a high upside young power guy is pretty good. Plus two young swing and miss guys who are having good years. I mean, it’s fine.
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Good haul for a guy who will pitch a few games for the last 8 weeks of the season .

Remember , if Helsley signs with Cardinals this winter during free agency those are bonus guys we got for essentially free of charge unless you are upset he wont pitch for these last 8 weeks.
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Ozziesfan41 wrote: 30 Jul 2025 18:38 pm
jbrach wrote: 30 Jul 2025 18:35 pm it is amazing, you dont even have to look..you know that every trade the cards make will be determined to be awful by people here weho literally have zero information to make such a determination...it is like the people who tell you a draft pick is bad because somebody rated the prospect number10 and he was drafted 5...it is funny actually
No I knew mo should have traded him in the offseason but he would be dumb and have to trade him for a meh return at the deadline so I wasn’t surprised or disappointed at all because mo is dumb and does dumb things like helsley and fedde well past their peak value
Based on the Williams trade, I am still not convinced there were great offers in the offseason.
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I like the Baez kid.... the power potential is real....and he's only 20. His Walks and K's are near each other. I"ve seen him a few times, I just can't remember where....I guessed right...St. Lucie. He's now with Brooklyn...well...now he's with the Cards farm :lol:

let's see how it plays out.
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Well we traded most of our starting staff a couple years ago for basically nothing
Guess can’t expect much for 1 Closer……
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This is where people pretend they’ve scouted the Mets farm system religiously.
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jbrach wrote: 30 Jul 2025 18:35 pm it is amazing, you dont even have to look..you know that every trade the cards make will be determined to be awful by people here weho literally have zero information to make such a determination...it is like the people who tell you a draft pick is bad because somebody rated the prospect number10 and he was drafted 5...it is funny actually
So your analysis is this is a great return?
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Goldfan wrote: 30 Jul 2025 18:45 pm Well we traded most of our starting staff a couple years ago for basically nothing
Guess can’t expect much for 1 Closer……
Two utility guys and a promising starter who can’t stay healthy
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Stlcardsblues wrote: 30 Jul 2025 18:41 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 30 Jul 2025 18:38 pm
jbrach wrote: 30 Jul 2025 18:35 pm it is amazing, you dont even have to look..you know that every trade the cards make will be determined to be awful by people here weho literally have zero information to make such a determination...it is like the people who tell you a draft pick is bad because somebody rated the prospect number10 and he was drafted 5...it is funny actually
No I knew mo should have traded him in the offseason but he would be dumb and have to trade him for a meh return at the deadline so I wasn’t surprised or disappointed at all because mo is dumb and does dumb things like helsley and fedde well past their peak value
Based on the Williams trade, I am still not convinced there were great offers in the offseason.
Mo said he wasn’t interested in trading helsley in the offseason season so yea he wasn’t traded
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craviduce wrote: 30 Jul 2025 18:42 pm I like the Baez kid.... the power potential is real....and he's only 20. His Walks and K's are near each other. I"ve seen him a few times, I just can't remember where....I guessed right...St. Lucie. He's now with Brooklyn...well...now he's with the Cards farm :lol:

let's see how it plays out.
Yea. And the pitcher was just drafted last year and has a lot of the characteristics of the pitchers that we took in the draft this year, so it screams like it was a Team Bloom move.

Let's see what we've got here. I'm sure people weren't thrilled when all they got for a young Ozuna was relative unknowns Alcantara and Gallen.
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Hoosier59 wrote: 30 Jul 2025 18:37 pm
jbrach wrote: 30 Jul 2025 18:35 pm it is amazing, you dont even have to look..you know that every trade the cards make will be determined to be awful by people here weho literally have zero information to make such a determination...it is like the people who tell you a draft pick is bad because somebody rated the prospect number10 and he was drafted 5...it is funny actually
I can look up these players and see how they’ve fared so far, and what I see is an A ball infielder who barely has hit .240. A starting pitcher in A ball who hardly goes 4 innings in any start.
quite honestly you cant...young players mature and advance at different times etc...you have no clue
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sdaltons wrote: 30 Jul 2025 18:46 pm
jbrach wrote: 30 Jul 2025 18:35 pm it is amazing, you dont even have to look..you know that every trade the cards make will be determined to be awful by people here weho literally have zero information to make such a determination...it is like the people who tell you a draft pick is bad because somebody rated the prospect number10 and he was drafted 5...it is funny actually
So your analysis is this is a great return?
my analysis nobody knows and wont know for a little while...you sure dont
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