Quality Starts

[Goldfan]

Gray: 5 ER in 6 IP
Fedde: 6 ER in 3 IP
Pallante: 2 ER in 4.1 IP
Mikolas: 8 ER in 2.2 IP
Liberatore: 4 ER in 3 IP

[Red Bird Classic]

Gray: 5 ER in 6 IP
Fedde: 6 ER in 3 IP
Pallante: 2 ER in 4.1 IP
Mikolas: 8 ER in 2.2 IP
Liberatore: 4 ER in 3 IP

We all knew before the season started that this starting staff sucked. Everyone should have been expecting these results.

[MIDMOBIRDTWO]

Unquality? Need a new pitching coach.

[Red Bird Classic]

Unquality? Need a new pitching coach.

Dave Dunkin couldn't make these guys good.

[MIDMOBIRDTWO]

Unquality? Need a new pitching coach.

Dave Dunkin couldn't make these guys good.

This guy was throwing across his body, he was not following through consistently. A pitching coach could help, but not this analytics geek.

[Quincy Varnish]

Unquality? Need a new pitching coach.

Dave Dunkin couldn't make these guys good.

[Goldfan]

I’m sure Oli really likes what he sees……good pat on the (bleep) and back out there you go…..baby steps on the way to 90 losses

[scoutyjones2]

Unquality? Need a new pitching coach.

Dave Dunkin couldn't make these guys good.

This guy was throwing across his body, he was not following through consistently. A pitching coach could help, but not this analytics geek.

What guy?

[An Old Friend]

I’m sure Oli really likes what he sees……good pat on the (bleep) and back out there you go…..baby steps on the way to 90 losses

They have a Sonny Gray problem. 3 HR in 11 IP after giving up 8 HR in 14 IP in the spring. I haven't looked into the movement profile on his pitches but my hunch is that with the forearm problems, he's not getting as much movement / finish on his offerings. He's getting tattooed.
<edit> Just checked. Movement on all of his 4-seam fastball, sinker, and sweeper are down in 2025 from 2024.
https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-p ... tching-mlb

Encouraged by Liberatore - he's getting length without crazy high pitch counts and hasn't walked a batter through 2 starts. Couple bad innings but all things considered, especially with how they've mishandled his development, it's a promising start for him.

[Goldfan]

I’m sure Oli really likes what he sees……good pat on the (bleep) and back out there you go…..baby steps on the way to 90 losses

They have a Sonny Gray problem. 3 HR in 11 IP after giving up 8 HR in 14 IP in the spring. I haven't looked into the movement profile on his pitches but my hunch is that with the forearm problems, he's not getting as much movement / finish on his offerings. He's getting tattooed.
<edit> Just checked. Movement on all of his 4-seam fastball, sinker, and sweeper are down in 2025 from 2024.
https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-p ... tching-mlb

Encouraged by Liberatore - he's getting length without crazy high pitch counts and hasn't walked a batter through 2 starts. Couple bad innings but all things considered, especially with how they've mishandled his development, it's a promising start for him.

I said it when they signed him. He’s 35 now, 5’10 175lb…….i don’t care what sleeper, zipper, slipper pitch hes tossing up there……all these guys throwing around 90 with same stuff same game plan…..

[An Old Friend]

I’m sure Oli really likes what he sees……good pat on the (bleep) and back out there you go…..baby steps on the way to 90 losses

They have a Sonny Gray problem. 3 HR in 11 IP after giving up 8 HR in 14 IP in the spring. I haven't looked into the movement profile on his pitches but my hunch is that with the forearm problems, he's not getting as much movement / finish on his offerings. He's getting tattooed.
<edit> Just checked. Movement on all of his 4-seam fastball, sinker, and sweeper are down in 2025 from 2024.
https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-p ... tching-mlb

Encouraged by Liberatore - he's getting length without crazy high pitch counts and hasn't walked a batter through 2 starts. Couple bad innings but all things considered, especially with how they've mishandled his development, it's a promising start for him.

I said it when they signed him. He’s 35 now, 5’10 175lb…….i don’t care what sleeper, zipper, slipper pitch hes tossing up there……all these guys throwing around 90 with same stuff same game plan…..

I took some heat when I said I didn't want them to focus on Sonny Gray. I know he has pitched like an ace but I didn't really consider him one, thought the low HR totals were unsustainable, and the contract structure was stupid.

[renostl]

I’m sure Oli really likes what he sees……good pat on the (bleep) and back out there you go…..baby steps on the way to 90 losses

They have a Sonny Gray problem. 3 HR in 11 IP after giving up 8 HR in 14 IP in the spring. I haven't looked into the movement profile on his pitches but my hunch is that with the forearm problems, he's not getting as much movement / finish on his offerings. He's getting tattooed.
<edit> Just checked. Movement on all of his 4-seam fastball, sinker, and sweeper are down in 2025 from 2024.
https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-p ... tching-mlb

Encouraged by Liberatore - he's getting length without crazy high pitch counts and hasn't walked a batter through 2 starts. Couple bad innings but all things considered, especially with how they've mishandled his development, it's a promising start for him.

I said it when they signed him. He’s 35 now, 5’10 175lb…….i don’t care what sleeper, zipper, slipper pitch hes tossing up there……all these guys throwing around 90 with same stuff same game plan…..

I took some heat when I said I didn't want them to focus on Sonny Gray. I know he has pitched like an ace but I didn't really consider him one, thought the low HR totals were unsustainable, and the contract structure was stupid.

A very stupid contract structure.

What really needs to happen is forget how they are being paid and have at least 2, ideally 3,
SP's leapfrog SG with better production. The pay will likely be irrelevant since they aren't
buying this season and next both Miles and Matz finally are gone.

[Chubbs0910]

Gray: 5 ER in 6 IP
Fedde: 6 ER in 3 IP
Pallante: 2 ER in 4.1 IP
Mikolas: 8 ER in 2.2 IP
Liberatore: 4 ER in 3 IP

We all knew before the season started that this starting staff sucked. Everyone should have been expecting these results.

I'm not so sure about that. Seems like there was an odd amount of optimism around them. The lack of innings is only going to compound.

[Red Bird Classic]

Gray: 5 ER in 6 IP
Fedde: 6 ER in 3 IP
Pallante: 2 ER in 4.1 IP
Mikolas: 8 ER in 2.2 IP
Liberatore: 4 ER in 3 IP

We all knew before the season started that this starting staff sucked. Everyone should have been expecting these results.

I'm not so sure about that. Seems like there was an odd amount of optimism around them. The lack of innings is only going to compound.

You're right. I should have said: Careful/wise/smart observers knew before the season started that this starting staff sucked. But these results are worse even than we expected.