Pitchers received from Sox

[Ozziesfan41]

Arenado’s contract was negative and out of whack……WC and Gray were short term and fairly valued.

Not by you you said the contracts sucked ever since the cardinals signed them and said they were way overpaid and the cardinals were stupid for overpaying them you said that repeatedly just how stupid the cardinals were for overpaying them said it from the time they signed to the time they were traded then instantly once traded you decided the contracts were fairly valued lol hilarious. If they had kept them you would still be whining and complaining about how overpaid and terrible they are

Oz...I think he needs a new dart board to throw at in order to “formulate” his opinions?? LOL
Either that or improve his aim?????

lol no if the player is a cardinals he says they suck are no good And are overpaid and the cardinals are stupid for having them if they trade that same player suddenly they are good and the contract is fair and the cardinals are stupid for trading them and should have got elite prospects for the players he said suck. So it’s pretty much if they play for the cardinals they suck until they are traded then suddenly he thinks they are good

LOL....can you imagine having to sit NEXT to him at Busch for nine innings???
Talk about a great time at the ballpark!!!!!
Cards pitching could get real interesting by the end of the season?
Fitts then Dobbins then Mathews.
Doyle/Clarke/Cijntje(sp??) are the high leverage guys coming soon.
Good stuff!!

Do you two goobers understand the difference between contracts being bad for Cardinals and their needs and a general MLB market value for a player?
The Cards had Herrera waiting years for Yadi to retire. He and KNiz could’ve handle catcher. The GREAT need was offense, not “good hitting catcher” offense but real offense.
In Grays case if MO was spending what he did…..the Cards needs a true #1 so he should’ve spent a little more and signed one….not an aging soft tosser
Does that mean Gray and WS had no MLB value?? No it means they weren’t the right contracts and players for the Cardinals team. Again is this a difficult concept for you??

LMAO....yes....Oz and I are goobers!
Having said that....we actually carry on legit conversations with multiple other posters.
You on the other hand have been called a “whiner, crybaby, and dumb” by 90% of the replies you get in return.
As for me I’ll take being a “goober”.
Take care Mr. Emoji!

So you 2 think it’s a good thing to receive “not that great of prospects anyway” AND that they have serious injuries?? This is what you’re cheering for??
Because either you dont think its a good return in a trade or you do ??

I think they got the best they could get because i dont blatantly ignore the facts of the situation. If i ignored facts like you love to do then yes i probably would be dumb like you and think they could have done better

And my point was/is that Bloom should’ve requested different HEALTHY bodies. If I’m reading correctly Clarke has never pitched a full season ANYWHERE. TJ(major), TOS(Major), Fractured shoulder(Major), Circulatory issues/numb arm/aneurysm(Major)

and he could have but they haven’t given up any healthy bodies that have anything like high upside

LMAO.....Oz I asked him WHO SPECIFICALLY he would have wanted in return!
And I get HEALTHY BODIES!
Is this guy serious??????? SMH
Just as I thought.....he’s got NOTHING which fits with the whining and babbling.

Yea the problem with Goldfan is he invents his own reality. Sure bloom could have picked up healthy bodies but they would have been only low ceiling high floor types like pallante who max out as fifth starters and at worst are meh relievers. He ignored the reality that the players traded had limited no traded clauses only a few teams they would waive to go to and of those teams they would have the need desire and payroll to take on the contracts which further reduces the number of teams they would also have to have pitching prospects the cards wanted which even further reduces the number of teams. People mistakenly think bloom thinks all these injured high upside arms will pay off he doesn’t. Early on Bernie said bloom is going to go with the numbers game that’s what he did. He doesn’t need all these high upside arms to pay off he just needs one to pay off. And with the numbers he’s brought in one will. And when that one hits he builds the rotation around them. If two payoff look out. The Cardinals previously would gamble on one high upside arm like it’s Reyes becomes a number one or bust flarehty becomes an ace or bust he’s not gambling on one paying off all his eggs in one basket he’s got a lot of potential number ones potentially and all he needs is one to pay off. That’s the plan it will work

[11WSChamps]

Bloom unloaded payroll plain and simple.

If Fitts and Dobbins had any kind of major upside I doubt Red Sox would have included them in a deal.

The younger prospects acquired we won't know about for a couple of years at least.

The importance in the deals is working capital in giving possible extensions to buy out arbitration years to young players who are deemed to be part of the future or perhaps sign a player to fill a need once they are in position to contend.

The sheer number of pitchers someone is bound to shake out and perhaps be a difference maker among the prospects but again I believe thecreal value comes in the money freed up.

[Cardinals1964]

Bloom unloaded payroll plain and simple.

If Fitts and Dobbins had any kind of major upside I doubt Red Sox would have included them in a deal.

The younger prospects acquired we won't know about for a couple of years at least.

The importance in the deals is working capital in giving possible extensions to buy out arbitration years to young players who are deemed to be part of the future or perhaps sign a player to fill a need once they are in position to contend.

The sheer number of pitchers someone is bound to shake out and perhaps be a difference maker among the prospects but again I believe thecreal value comes in the money freed up.

Can’t wait until we get somebody worth buying out.

[JuanAgosto]

I wonder if Bloom got confused over the winter and thought at least one trade was being made with the White Sox? Might explain his run of multiple deals with Boston.

For the record, im glad he didn't acquire any White Sox pitchers. That team sucks!

[Cusecards]

Not by you you said the contracts sucked ever since the cardinals signed them and said they were way overpaid and the cardinals were stupid for overpaying them you said that repeatedly just how stupid the cardinals were for overpaying them said it from the time they signed to the time they were traded then instantly once traded you decided the contracts were fairly valued lol hilarious. If they had kept them you would still be whining and complaining about how overpaid and terrible they are

Oz...I think he needs a new dart board to throw at in order to “formulate” his opinions?? LOL
Either that or improve his aim?????

lol no if the player is a cardinals he says they suck are no good And are overpaid and the cardinals are stupid for having them if they trade that same player suddenly they are good and the contract is fair and the cardinals are stupid for trading them and should have got elite prospects for the players he said suck. So it’s pretty much if they play for the cardinals they suck until they are traded then suddenly he thinks they are good

LOL....can you imagine having to sit NEXT to him at Busch for nine innings???
Talk about a great time at the ballpark!!!!!
Cards pitching could get real interesting by the end of the season?
Fitts then Dobbins then Mathews.
Doyle/Clarke/Cijntje(sp??) are the high leverage guys coming soon.
Good stuff!!

Do you two goobers understand the difference between contracts being bad for Cardinals and their needs and a general MLB market value for a player?
The Cards had Herrera waiting years for Yadi to retire. He and KNiz could’ve handle catcher. The GREAT need was offense, not “good hitting catcher” offense but real offense.
In Grays case if MO was spending what he did…..the Cards needs a true #1 so he should’ve spent a little more and signed one….not an aging soft tosser
Does that mean Gray and WS had no MLB value?? No it means they weren’t the right contracts and players for the Cardinals team. Again is this a difficult concept for you??

LMAO....yes....Oz and I are goobers!
Having said that....we actually carry on legit conversations with multiple other posters.
You on the other hand have been called a “whiner, crybaby, and dumb” by 90% of the replies you get in return.
As for me I’ll take being a “goober”.
Take care Mr. Emoji!

So you 2 think it’s a good thing to receive “not that great of prospects anyway” AND that they have serious injuries?? This is what you’re cheering for??
Because either you dont think its a good return in a trade or you do ??

I think they got the best they could get because i dont blatantly ignore the facts of the situation. If i ignored facts like you love to do then yes i probably would be dumb like you and think they could have done better

And my point was/is that Bloom should’ve requested different HEALTHY bodies. If I’m reading correctly Clarke has never pitched a full season ANYWHERE. TJ(major), TOS(Major), Fractured shoulder(Major), Circulatory issues/numb arm/aneurysm(Major)

and he could have but they haven’t given up any healthy bodies that have anything like high upside

LMAO.....Oz I asked him WHO SPECIFICALLY he would have wanted in return!
And I get HEALTHY BODIES!
Is this guy serious??????? SMH
Just as I thought.....he’s got NOTHING which fits with the whining and babbling.

Yea the problem with Goldfan is he invents his own reality. Sure bloom could have picked up healthy bodies but they would have been only low ceiling high floor types like pallante who max out as fifth starters and at worst are meh relievers. He ignored the reality that the players traded had limited no traded clauses only a few teams they would waive to go to and of those teams they would have the need desire and payroll to take on the contracts which further reduces the number of teams they would also have to have pitching prospects the cards wanted which even further reduces the number of teams. People mistakenly think bloom thinks all these injured high upside arms will pay off he doesn’t. Early on Bernie said bloom is going to go with the numbers game that’s what he did. He doesn’t need all these high upside arms to pay off he just needs one to pay off. And with the numbers he’s brought in one will. And when that one hits he builds the rotation around them. If two payoff look out. The Cardinals previously would gamble on one high upside arm like it’s Reyes becomes a number one or bust flarehty becomes an ace or bust he’s not gambling on one paying off all his eggs in one basket he’s got a lot of potential number ones potentially and all he needs is one to pay off. That’s the plan it will work

“Own reality” is certainly a nice/diplomatic way of putting it.
I like Bloom taking shots at the higher upside guys even with their issues.
Like you said....if only one or two hits it’s a win!

[Goldfan]

Oz...I think he needs a new dart board to throw at in order to “formulate” his opinions?? LOL
Either that or improve his aim?????

lol no if the player is a cardinals he says they suck are no good And are overpaid and the cardinals are stupid for having them if they trade that same player suddenly they are good and the contract is fair and the cardinals are stupid for trading them and should have got elite prospects for the players he said suck. So it’s pretty much if they play for the cardinals they suck until they are traded then suddenly he thinks they are good

LOL....can you imagine having to sit NEXT to him at Busch for nine innings???
Talk about a great time at the ballpark!!!!!
Cards pitching could get real interesting by the end of the season?
Fitts then Dobbins then Mathews.
Doyle/Clarke/Cijntje(sp??) are the high leverage guys coming soon.
Good stuff!!

Do you two goobers understand the difference between contracts being bad for Cardinals and their needs and a general MLB market value for a player?
The Cards had Herrera waiting years for Yadi to retire. He and KNiz could’ve handle catcher. The GREAT need was offense, not “good hitting catcher” offense but real offense.
In Grays case if MO was spending what he did…..the Cards needs a true #1 so he should’ve spent a little more and signed one….not an aging soft tosser
Does that mean Gray and WS had no MLB value?? No it means they weren’t the right contracts and players for the Cardinals team. Again is this a difficult concept for you??

LMAO....yes....Oz and I are goobers!
Having said that....we actually carry on legit conversations with multiple other posters.
You on the other hand have been called a “whiner, crybaby, and dumb” by 90% of the replies you get in return.
As for me I’ll take being a “goober”.
Take care Mr. Emoji!

So you 2 think it’s a good thing to receive “not that great of prospects anyway” AND that they have serious injuries?? This is what you’re cheering for??
Because either you dont think its a good return in a trade or you do ??

I think they got the best they could get because i dont blatantly ignore the facts of the situation. If i ignored facts like you love to do then yes i probably would be dumb like you and think they could have done better

And my point was/is that Bloom should’ve requested different HEALTHY bodies. If I’m reading correctly Clarke has never pitched a full season ANYWHERE. TJ(major), TOS(Major), Fractured shoulder(Major), Circulatory issues/numb arm/aneurysm(Major)

and he could have but they haven’t given up any healthy bodies that have anything like high upside

LMAO.....Oz I asked him WHO SPECIFICALLY he would have wanted in return!
And I get HEALTHY BODIES!
Is this guy serious??????? SMH
Just as I thought.....he’s got NOTHING which fits with the whining and babbling.

Yea the problem with Goldfan is he invents his own reality. Sure bloom could have picked up healthy bodies but they would have been only low ceiling high floor types like pallante who max out as fifth starters and at worst are meh relievers. He ignored the reality that the players traded had limited no traded clauses only a few teams they would waive to go to and of those teams they would have the need desire and payroll to take on the contracts which further reduces the number of teams they would also have to have pitching prospects the cards wanted which even further reduces the number of teams. People mistakenly think bloom thinks all these injured high upside arms will pay off he doesn’t. Early on Bernie said bloom is going to go with the numbers game that’s what he did. He doesn’t need all these high upside arms to pay off he just needs one to pay off. And with the numbers he’s brought in one will. And when that one hits he builds the rotation around them. If two payoff look out. The Cardinals previously would gamble on one high upside arm like it’s Reyes becomes a number one or bust flarehty becomes an ace or bust he’s not gambling on one paying off all his eggs in one basket he’s got a lot of potential number ones potentially and all he needs is one to pay off. That’s the plan it will work

“Own reality” is certainly a nice/diplomatic way of putting it.
I like Bloom taking shots at the higher upside guys even with their issues.
Like you said....if only one or two hits it’s a win!

Fellas I posted a “Walkers Swing” thread about a month ago……got the usual dumb[ash] comments from y’all…. and today most of CT agrees his swing is a complete disaster.
I just posted this thread about “Pitchers Received from Sox” and today Dick Fitts is optioned to AAA, he couldn’t even beat out Pallante for the final spot in rotation.
Yes Goldfan makes his own reality…..and apparently it closely aligns REAL LIFE
Keep following along boys

[Cusecards]

lol no if the player is a cardinals he says they suck are no good And are overpaid and the cardinals are stupid for having them if they trade that same player suddenly they are good and the contract is fair and the cardinals are stupid for trading them and should have got elite prospects for the players he said suck. So it’s pretty much if they play for the cardinals they suck until they are traded then suddenly he thinks they are good

LOL....can you imagine having to sit NEXT to him at Busch for nine innings???
Talk about a great time at the ballpark!!!!!
Cards pitching could get real interesting by the end of the season?
Fitts then Dobbins then Mathews.
Doyle/Clarke/Cijntje(sp??) are the high leverage guys coming soon.
Good stuff!!

Do you two goobers understand the difference between contracts being bad for Cardinals and their needs and a general MLB market value for a player?
The Cards had Herrera waiting years for Yadi to retire. He and KNiz could’ve handle catcher. The GREAT need was offense, not “good hitting catcher” offense but real offense.
In Grays case if MO was spending what he did…..the Cards needs a true #1 so he should’ve spent a little more and signed one….not an aging soft tosser
Does that mean Gray and WS had no MLB value?? No it means they weren’t the right contracts and players for the Cardinals team. Again is this a difficult concept for you??

LMAO....yes....Oz and I are goobers!
Having said that....we actually carry on legit conversations with multiple other posters.
You on the other hand have been called a “whiner, crybaby, and dumb” by 90% of the replies you get in return.
As for me I’ll take being a “goober”.
Take care Mr. Emoji!

So you 2 think it’s a good thing to receive “not that great of prospects anyway” AND that they have serious injuries?? This is what you’re cheering for??
Because either you dont think its a good return in a trade or you do ??

I think they got the best they could get because i dont blatantly ignore the facts of the situation. If i ignored facts like you love to do then yes i probably would be dumb like you and think they could have done better

And my point was/is that Bloom should’ve requested different HEALTHY bodies. If I’m reading correctly Clarke has never pitched a full season ANYWHERE. TJ(major), TOS(Major), Fractured shoulder(Major), Circulatory issues/numb arm/aneurysm(Major)

and he could have but they haven’t given up any healthy bodies that have anything like high upside

LMAO.....Oz I asked him WHO SPECIFICALLY he would have wanted in return!
And I get HEALTHY BODIES!
Is this guy serious??????? SMH
Just as I thought.....he’s got NOTHING which fits with the whining and babbling.

Yea the problem with Goldfan is he invents his own reality. Sure bloom could have picked up healthy bodies but they would have been only low ceiling high floor types like pallante who max out as fifth starters and at worst are meh relievers. He ignored the reality that the players traded had limited no traded clauses only a few teams they would waive to go to and of those teams they would have the need desire and payroll to take on the contracts which further reduces the number of teams they would also have to have pitching prospects the cards wanted which even further reduces the number of teams. People mistakenly think bloom thinks all these injured high upside arms will pay off he doesn’t. Early on Bernie said bloom is going to go with the numbers game that’s what he did. He doesn’t need all these high upside arms to pay off he just needs one to pay off. And with the numbers he’s brought in one will. And when that one hits he builds the rotation around them. If two payoff look out. The Cardinals previously would gamble on one high upside arm like it’s Reyes becomes a number one or bust flarehty becomes an ace or bust he’s not gambling on one paying off all his eggs in one basket he’s got a lot of potential number ones potentially and all he needs is one to pay off. That’s the plan it will work

“Own reality” is certainly a nice/diplomatic way of putting it.
I like Bloom taking shots at the higher upside guys even with their issues.
Like you said....if only one or two hits it’s a win!

Fellas I posted a “Walkers Swing” thread about a month ago……got the usual dumb[ash] comments from y’all…. and today most of CT agrees his swing is a complete disaster.
I just posted this thread about “Pitchers Received from Sox” and today Dick Fitts is optioned to AAA, he couldn’t even beat out Pallante for the final spot in rotation.
Yes Goldfan makes his own reality…..and apparently it closely aligns REAL LIFE
Keep following along boys

“Fellas”??
“Y’all”???
Are you pushing to be the new modern day Will Rogers??
By my unofficial count about 90% of CT thinks you’re either a whiner or a person of “subpar intellect”.
Stick with the emojis....they are your best feature!

[Goldfan]

LOL....can you imagine having to sit NEXT to him at Busch for nine innings???
Talk about a great time at the ballpark!!!!!
Cards pitching could get real interesting by the end of the season?
Fitts then Dobbins then Mathews.
Doyle/Clarke/Cijntje(sp??) are the high leverage guys coming soon.
Good stuff!!

Do you two goobers understand the difference between contracts being bad for Cardinals and their needs and a general MLB market value for a player?
The Cards had Herrera waiting years for Yadi to retire. He and KNiz could’ve handle catcher. The GREAT need was offense, not “good hitting catcher” offense but real offense.
In Grays case if MO was spending what he did…..the Cards needs a true #1 so he should’ve spent a little more and signed one….not an aging soft tosser
Does that mean Gray and WS had no MLB value?? No it means they weren’t the right contracts and players for the Cardinals team. Again is this a difficult concept for you??

LMAO....yes....Oz and I are goobers!
Having said that....we actually carry on legit conversations with multiple other posters.
You on the other hand have been called a “whiner, crybaby, and dumb” by 90% of the replies you get in return.
As for me I’ll take being a “goober”.
Take care Mr. Emoji!

So you 2 think it’s a good thing to receive “not that great of prospects anyway” AND that they have serious injuries?? This is what you’re cheering for??
Because either you dont think its a good return in a trade or you do ??

I think they got the best they could get because i dont blatantly ignore the facts of the situation. If i ignored facts like you love to do then yes i probably would be dumb like you and think they could have done better

And my point was/is that Bloom should’ve requested different HEALTHY bodies. If I’m reading correctly Clarke has never pitched a full season ANYWHERE. TJ(major), TOS(Major), Fractured shoulder(Major), Circulatory issues/numb arm/aneurysm(Major)

and he could have but they haven’t given up any healthy bodies that have anything like high upside

LMAO.....Oz I asked him WHO SPECIFICALLY he would have wanted in return!
And I get HEALTHY BODIES!
Is this guy serious??????? SMH
Just as I thought.....he’s got NOTHING which fits with the whining and babbling.

Yea the problem with Goldfan is he invents his own reality. Sure bloom could have picked up healthy bodies but they would have been only low ceiling high floor types like pallante who max out as fifth starters and at worst are meh relievers. He ignored the reality that the players traded had limited no traded clauses only a few teams they would waive to go to and of those teams they would have the need desire and payroll to take on the contracts which further reduces the number of teams they would also have to have pitching prospects the cards wanted which even further reduces the number of teams. People mistakenly think bloom thinks all these injured high upside arms will pay off he doesn’t. Early on Bernie said bloom is going to go with the numbers game that’s what he did. He doesn’t need all these high upside arms to pay off he just needs one to pay off. And with the numbers he’s brought in one will. And when that one hits he builds the rotation around them. If two payoff look out. The Cardinals previously would gamble on one high upside arm like it’s Reyes becomes a number one or bust flarehty becomes an ace or bust he’s not gambling on one paying off all his eggs in one basket he’s got a lot of potential number ones potentially and all he needs is one to pay off. That’s the plan it will work

“Own reality” is certainly a nice/diplomatic way of putting it.
I like Bloom taking shots at the higher upside guys even with their issues.
Like you said....if only one or two hits it’s a win!

Fellas I posted a “Walkers Swing” thread about a month ago……got the usual dumb[ash] comments from y’all…. and today most of CT agrees his swing is a complete disaster.
I just posted this thread about “Pitchers Received from Sox” and today Dick Fitts is optioned to AAA, he couldn’t even beat out Pallante for the final spot in rotation.
Yes Goldfan makes his own reality…..and apparently it closely aligns REAL LIFE
Keep following along boys

“Fellas”??
“Y’all”???
Are you pushing to be the new modern day Will Rogers??
By my unofficial count about 90% of CT thinks you’re either a whiner or a person of “subpar intellect”.
Stick with the emojis....they are your best feature!

You’re right Cuse….I just get lucky with all these Calls that turn out to actually happen weeks or months later. Keep following buddy. You disagrees with everything I type just adds to you looking like a fool when it happens. Cheers and Go Cards
Weren’t you so captivated and excited about how Fitts would look in the rotation?? If you think back I said he was a 5.00ERA guy with control issues. Perhaps you should’ve listened instead of this clownshow you and OZ tag team

[Ozziesfan41]

Do you two goobers understand the difference between contracts being bad for Cardinals and their needs and a general MLB market value for a player?
The Cards had Herrera waiting years for Yadi to retire. He and KNiz could’ve handle catcher. The GREAT need was offense, not “good hitting catcher” offense but real offense.
In Grays case if MO was spending what he did…..the Cards needs a true #1 so he should’ve spent a little more and signed one….not an aging soft tosser
Does that mean Gray and WS had no MLB value?? No it means they weren’t the right contracts and players for the Cardinals team. Again is this a difficult concept for you??

LMAO....yes....Oz and I are goobers!
Having said that....we actually carry on legit conversations with multiple other posters.
You on the other hand have been called a “whiner, crybaby, and dumb” by 90% of the replies you get in return.
As for me I’ll take being a “goober”.
Take care Mr. Emoji!

So you 2 think it’s a good thing to receive “not that great of prospects anyway” AND that they have serious injuries?? This is what you’re cheering for??
Because either you dont think its a good return in a trade or you do ??

I think they got the best they could get because i dont blatantly ignore the facts of the situation. If i ignored facts like you love to do then yes i probably would be dumb like you and think they could have done better

And my point was/is that Bloom should’ve requested different HEALTHY bodies. If I’m reading correctly Clarke has never pitched a full season ANYWHERE. TJ(major), TOS(Major), Fractured shoulder(Major), Circulatory issues/numb arm/aneurysm(Major)

and he could have but they haven’t given up any healthy bodies that have anything like high upside

LMAO.....Oz I asked him WHO SPECIFICALLY he would have wanted in return!
And I get HEALTHY BODIES!
Is this guy serious??????? SMH
Just as I thought.....he’s got NOTHING which fits with the whining and babbling.

Yea the problem with Goldfan is he invents his own reality. Sure bloom could have picked up healthy bodies but they would have been only low ceiling high floor types like pallante who max out as fifth starters and at worst are meh relievers. He ignored the reality that the players traded had limited no traded clauses only a few teams they would waive to go to and of those teams they would have the need desire and payroll to take on the contracts which further reduces the number of teams they would also have to have pitching prospects the cards wanted which even further reduces the number of teams. People mistakenly think bloom thinks all these injured high upside arms will pay off he doesn’t. Early on Bernie said bloom is going to go with the numbers game that’s what he did. He doesn’t need all these high upside arms to pay off he just needs one to pay off. And with the numbers he’s brought in one will. And when that one hits he builds the rotation around them. If two payoff look out. The Cardinals previously would gamble on one high upside arm like it’s Reyes becomes a number one or bust flarehty becomes an ace or bust he’s not gambling on one paying off all his eggs in one basket he’s got a lot of potential number ones potentially and all he needs is one to pay off. That’s the plan it will work

“Own reality” is certainly a nice/diplomatic way of putting it.
I like Bloom taking shots at the higher upside guys even with their issues.
Like you said....if only one or two hits it’s a win!

Fellas I posted a “Walkers Swing” thread about a month ago……got the usual dumb[ash] comments from y’all…. and today most of CT agrees his swing is a complete disaster.
I just posted this thread about “Pitchers Received from Sox” and today Dick Fitts is optioned to AAA, he couldn’t even beat out Pallante for the final spot in rotation.
Yes Goldfan makes his own reality…..and apparently it closely aligns REAL LIFE
Keep following along boys

“Fellas”??
“Y’all”???
Are you pushing to be the new modern day Will Rogers??
By my unofficial count about 90% of CT thinks you’re either a whiner or a person of “subpar intellect”.
Stick with the emojis....they are your best feature!

You’re right Cuse….I just get lucky with all these Calls that turn out to actually happen weeks or months later. Keep following buddy. You disagrees with everything I type just adds to you looking like a fool when it happens. Cheers and Go Cards
Weren’t you so captivated and excited about how Fitts would look in the rotation?? If you think back I said he was a 5.00ERA guy with control issues. Perhaps you should’ve listened instead of this clownshow you and OZ tag team

lol what calls have you been right about?

[Cusecards]

Do you two goobers understand the difference between contracts being bad for Cardinals and their needs and a general MLB market value for a player?
The Cards had Herrera waiting years for Yadi to retire. He and KNiz could’ve handle catcher. The GREAT need was offense, not “good hitting catcher” offense but real offense.
In Grays case if MO was spending what he did…..the Cards needs a true #1 so he should’ve spent a little more and signed one….not an aging soft tosser
Does that mean Gray and WS had no MLB value?? No it means they weren’t the right contracts and players for the Cardinals team. Again is this a difficult concept for you??

LMAO....yes....Oz and I are goobers!
Having said that....we actually carry on legit conversations with multiple other posters.
You on the other hand have been called a “whiner, crybaby, and dumb” by 90% of the replies you get in return.
As for me I’ll take being a “goober”.
Take care Mr. Emoji!

So you 2 think it’s a good thing to receive “not that great of prospects anyway” AND that they have serious injuries?? This is what you’re cheering for??
Because either you dont think its a good return in a trade or you do ??

I think they got the best they could get because i dont blatantly ignore the facts of the situation. If i ignored facts like you love to do then yes i probably would be dumb like you and think they could have done better

And my point was/is that Bloom should’ve requested different HEALTHY bodies. If I’m reading correctly Clarke has never pitched a full season ANYWHERE. TJ(major), TOS(Major), Fractured shoulder(Major), Circulatory issues/numb arm/aneurysm(Major)

and he could have but they haven’t given up any healthy bodies that have anything like high upside

LMAO.....Oz I asked him WHO SPECIFICALLY he would have wanted in return!
And I get HEALTHY BODIES!
Is this guy serious??????? SMH
Just as I thought.....he’s got NOTHING which fits with the whining and babbling.

Yea the problem with Goldfan is he invents his own reality. Sure bloom could have picked up healthy bodies but they would have been only low ceiling high floor types like pallante who max out as fifth starters and at worst are meh relievers. He ignored the reality that the players traded had limited no traded clauses only a few teams they would waive to go to and of those teams they would have the need desire and payroll to take on the contracts which further reduces the number of teams they would also have to have pitching prospects the cards wanted which even further reduces the number of teams. People mistakenly think bloom thinks all these injured high upside arms will pay off he doesn’t. Early on Bernie said bloom is going to go with the numbers game that’s what he did. He doesn’t need all these high upside arms to pay off he just needs one to pay off. And with the numbers he’s brought in one will. And when that one hits he builds the rotation around them. If two payoff look out. The Cardinals previously would gamble on one high upside arm like it’s Reyes becomes a number one or bust flarehty becomes an ace or bust he’s not gambling on one paying off all his eggs in one basket he’s got a lot of potential number ones potentially and all he needs is one to pay off. That’s the plan it will work

“Own reality” is certainly a nice/diplomatic way of putting it.
I like Bloom taking shots at the higher upside guys even with their issues.
Like you said....if only one or two hits it’s a win!

Fellas I posted a “Walkers Swing” thread about a month ago……got the usual dumb[ash] comments from y’all…. and today most of CT agrees his swing is a complete disaster.
I just posted this thread about “Pitchers Received from Sox” and today Dick Fitts is optioned to AAA, he couldn’t even beat out Pallante for the final spot in rotation.
Yes Goldfan makes his own reality…..and apparently it closely aligns REAL LIFE
Keep following along boys

“Fellas”??
“Y’all”???
Are you pushing to be the new modern day Will Rogers??
By my unofficial count about 90% of CT thinks you’re either a whiner or a person of “subpar intellect”.
Stick with the emojis....they are your best feature!

You’re right Cuse….I just get lucky with all these Calls that turn out to actually happen weeks or months later. Keep following buddy. You disagrees with everything I type just adds to you looking like a fool when it happens. Cheers and Go Cards
Weren’t you so captivated and excited about how Fitts would look in the rotation?? If you think back I said he was a 5.00ERA guy with control issues. Perhaps you should’ve listened instead of this clownshow you and OZ tag team

1) STILL waiting on those SPECIFIC players that Bloom should have targeted instead of who he did target?
2) Here’s an actual quote from Will Rogers that pretty much sums up your posts: “Never miss a good chance to shut up!”

Y’all have a nice day there fella!
Excited about reading your LIST of SPECIFIC players!!!

[casey1024]

Clarke-out till at least June arm surgery

Dobbins-starting season on IL recovering from 2nd ACL surgery

Fitts-control issues sporting career 5.00ERA through ST so far.

Keep in mind Bloom “paid up” for these arms.

If you're looking only at short term.....then you are correct. I'm thinking long term is where the benefit lies. Just so I know.....what the heck did we win with Sonny and Wilson? Let it go man.

[Cranny]

Bloom unloaded payroll plain and simple.

If Fitts and Dobbins had any kind of major upside I doubt Red Sox would have included them in a deal.

The younger prospects acquired we won't know about for a couple of years at least.

The importance in the deals is working capital in giving possible extensions to buy out arbitration years to young players who are deemed to be part of the future or perhaps sign a player to fill a need once they are in position to contend.

The sheer number of pitchers someone is bound to shake out and perhaps be a difference maker among the prospects but again I believe thecreal value comes in the money freed up.

Bloom wanted to get pitchers who were ML ready.
And he got them. Pitchers that were under control for multiple years. Value for value.

[Goldfan]

Bloom unloaded payroll plain and simple.

If Fitts and Dobbins had any kind of major upside I doubt Red Sox would have included them in a deal.

The younger prospects acquired we won't know about for a couple of years at least.

The importance in the deals is working capital in giving possible extensions to buy out arbitration years to young players who are deemed to be part of the future or perhaps sign a player to fill a need once they are in position to contend.

The sheer number of pitchers someone is bound to shake out and perhaps be a difference maker among the prospects but again I believe thecreal value comes in the money freed up.

Bloom wanted to get pitchers who were ML ready.
And he got them. Pitchers that were under control for multiple years. Value for value.

What pitchers acquired in trades this offseason are ML ready?? Fitts was just sent to AAA, Clarkes arm is a mess recovering from ANOTHER surgery/out til JUNE, Dobbins is just off his 2nd ACL repair, on IL, and not sure he can play the field. Those are MLB ready arms??
Fitts couldn’t beat out Pallante….who was as bad as Miles and Fedde last season.

[OldRed]

Bloom unloaded payroll plain and simple.

If Fitts and Dobbins had any kind of major upside I doubt Red Sox would have included them in a deal.

The younger prospects acquired we won't know about for a couple of years at least.

The importance in the deals is working capital in giving possible extensions to buy out arbitration years to young players who are deemed to be part of the future or perhaps sign a player to fill a need once they are in position to contend.

The sheer number of pitchers someone is bound to shake out and perhaps be a difference maker among the prospects but again I believe thecreal value comes in the money freed up.

Bloom wanted to get pitchers who were ML ready.
And he got them. Pitchers that were under control for multiple years. Value for value.

What pitchers acquired in trades this offseason are ML ready?? Fitts was just sent to AAA, Clarkes arm is a mess recovering from ANOTHER surgery/out til JUNE, Dobbins is just off his 2nd ACL repair, on IL, and not sure he can play the field. Those are MLB ready arms??
Fitts couldn’t beat out Pallante….who was as bad as Miles and Fedde last season.

Who were they?

[Goldfan]

“Alex Cora and the Red Sox — and all of Boston, for that matter — knew that ace and Cy Young runner up Garrett Crochet would get the ball as the Opening Day starter for the club later this month in Cincinnati.
But this past weekend came with Cora's decision on who will follow Crochet in the Red Sox rotation, with veteran offseason addition Sonny Gray tabbed to be Boston's No. 2 pitcher in the rotation to begin the 2026 season.”

Ahead of the 130mil stud Ranger Suárez

Boston Rotation
Crochet-Cy Young runner up
Sonny(no trade value)Gray
Ranger Suárez

[Horseradish]

Clarke-out till at least June arm surgery

Dobbins-starting season on IL recovering from 2nd ACL surgery

Fitts-control issues sporting career 5.00ERA through ST so far.

Keep in mind Bloom “paid up” for these arms.

To be fair GF he didn't "pay up".

WillyC & S. Gray were ordered salary dumps by BDWJr and Bloom got back five need arms for the major league and minor league pitching staffs.


Clarke/22 yrs old--HUGE upside (Top 10 Red Sox prospect) w/a 99 MPH fastball, known at the time of trade he wouldn't be ready until mid season

Dobbins/26 yrs old---HUGE upside as a starter, threw 5 inning simulated game just awaiting clearance to begin PFP

Fitts/25 yrs old---Should be the Cardinals #4 starter this year

They also got:
Yhoiker Fajardo (RHP): A 19-year-old prospect
&
Blake Aita (RHP): A 22-year-old minor-league pitcher.

Bloom obviously has taken a "high risk, high ceiling" strategy into roster building. I'm ok with it. Mo was a "low risk, high floor, low ceiling" guy. This roster needed an influx of power arms and power hitters. Bloom has brought them in. Again, I'm ok with the associated risk. It will take a re-calibration of perspective to get on board. There will be some washouts along the way, but the potential upside is much greater than a Mo roster. A roster made up of mostly AAAA guys cannot compete in MLB.

This is the correct outlook. I’m slightly optimistic that our revamped development in the minors also increases the odds that one or more of these high-ceiling arms becomes valuable.