Pitchers received from Sox

[Goldfan]

Clarke-out till at least June arm surgery

Dobbins-starting season on IL recovering from 2nd ACL surgery

Fitts-control issues sporting career 5.00ERA through ST so far.

Keep in mind Bloom “paid up” for these arms.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Clarke-out till at least June arm surgery

Dobbins-starting season on IL recovering from 2nd ACL surgery

Fitts-control issues sporting career 5.00ERA through ST so far.

Keep in mind Bloom “paid up” for these arms.

Can’t argue with that. But I still believe it was an effort of power arm saturation with the intent of shaking one out.

Also in the deals you opened up second and third, neither to have a known player at this time.

It’s a strategy- like gambling.

[Goldfan]

Clarke-out till at least June arm surgery

Dobbins-starting season on IL recovering from 2nd ACL surgery

Fitts-control issues sporting career 5.00ERA through ST so far.

Keep in mind Bloom “paid up” for these arms.

Can’t argue with that. But I still believe it was an effort of power arm saturation with the intent of shaking one out.

Also in the deals you opened up second and third, neither to have a known player at this time.

It’s a strategy- like gambling.

I understand paying up for talent……but paying up for damaged goods looks a little questionable
Clarke’s injury is a significant one for a pitcher and Dobbins might have been dealt poor ACL genetics. These aren’t surefire TJ recoveries.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Clarke-out till at least June arm surgery

Dobbins-starting season on IL recovering from 2nd ACL surgery

Fitts-control issues sporting career 5.00ERA through ST so far.

Keep in mind Bloom “paid up” for these arms.

Can’t argue with that. But I still believe it was an effort of power arm saturation with the intent of shaking one out.

Also in the deals you opened up second and third, neither to have a known player at this time.

It’s a strategy- like gambling.

I understand paying up for talent……but paying up for damaged goods looks a little questionable
Clarke’s injury is a significant one for a pitcher and Dobbins might have been dealt poor ACL genetics. These aren’t surefire TJ recoveries.

I hear ya. I guess that in theory, most all pitchers go thru TJ or some type of serious throwing issue. Again, how to combat that, meaning almost a given for injury. We choose saturation, hoping one would work.

Who do you take a chance on. What levels.

I’d say getting a stud pitcher thru attrition is harder than a stud hitter.

[Ozziesfan41]

Clarke-out till at least June arm surgery

Dobbins-starting season on IL recovering from 2nd ACL surgery

Fitts-control issues sporting career 5.00ERA through ST so far.

Keep in mind Bloom “paid up” for these arms.

Can’t argue with that. But I still believe it was an effort of power arm saturation with the intent of shaking one out.

Also in the deals you opened up second and third, neither to have a known player at this time.

It’s a strategy- like gambling.

I understand paying up for talent……but paying up for damaged goods looks a little questionable
Clarke’s injury is a significant one for a pitcher and Dobbins might have been dealt poor ACL genetics. These aren’t surefire TJ recoveries.

None of the players traded were going to bring back surefire talent so they had to gamble on high upside pitchers that were injured they hope will recover from them. Remember they traded players that you said sucked and weren’t worth their contracts for years. Until they were traded which you immediately then said they were actually good worth their contracts and bloom didn’t get enough for them

[Goldfan]

Clarke-out till at least June arm surgery

Dobbins-starting season on IL recovering from 2nd ACL surgery

Fitts-control issues sporting career 5.00ERA through ST so far.

Keep in mind Bloom “paid up” for these arms.

Can’t argue with that. But I still believe it was an effort of power arm saturation with the intent of shaking one out.

Also in the deals you opened up second and third, neither to have a known player at this time.

It’s a strategy- like gambling.

I understand paying up for talent……but paying up for damaged goods looks a little questionable
Clarke’s injury is a significant one for a pitcher and Dobbins might have been dealt poor ACL genetics. These aren’t surefire TJ recoveries.

None of the players traded were going to bring back surefire talent so they had to gamble on high upside pitchers that were injured they hope will recover from them. Remember they traded players that you said sucked and weren’t worth their contracts for years. Until they were traded which you immediately then said they were actually good worth their contracts and bloom didn’t get enough for them

When my opinion of the worth of a certain player to Cardinals……becomes a monetized commodity and has any baring on the salaries and trade values of MLB players……I’ll share half with you OZ if you can honestly argue that WC and Sonny Gray could return no better than minor league pitcher with extensive injury history….who turns out AFTER the trade to need a surgery to fix an aneurysm/numb arm/blister issues in his pitching arm and a young kid with his SECOND ACL tear……may the force be you. To me it sound like salary dumps that went beyond salary dumps by send BOSTON large cash for very damaged goods

[rockondlouie]

Clarke-out till at least June arm surgery

Dobbins-starting season on IL recovering from 2nd ACL surgery

Fitts-control issues sporting career 5.00ERA through ST so far.

Keep in mind Bloom “paid up” for these arms.

To be fair GF he didn't "pay up".

WillyC & S. Gray were ordered salary dumps by BDWJr and Bloom got back five need arms for the major league and minor league pitching staffs.


Clarke/22 yrs old--HUGE upside (Top 10 Red Sox prospect) w/a 99 MPH fastball, known at the time of trade he wouldn't be ready until mid season

Dobbins/26 yrs old---HUGE upside as a starter, threw 5 inning simulated game just awaiting clearance to begin PFP

Fitts/25 yrs old---Should be the Cardinals #4 starter this year

They also got:
Yhoiker Fajardo (RHP): A 19-year-old prospect
&
Blake Aita (RHP): A 22-year-old minor-league pitcher.

[Strummer Jones]

Clarke-out till at least June arm surgery

Dobbins-starting season on IL recovering from 2nd ACL surgery

Fitts-control issues sporting career 5.00ERA through ST so far.

Keep in mind Bloom “paid up” for these arms.

To be fair GF he didn't "pay up".

WillyC & S. Gray were ordered salary dumps by BDWJr and Bloom got back five need arms for the major league and minor league pitching staffs.


Clarke/22 yrs old--HUGE upside (Top 10 Red Sox prospect) w/a 99 MPH fastball, known at the time of trade he wouldn't be ready until mid season

Dobbins/26 yrs old---HUGE upside as a starter, threw 5 inning simulated game just awaiting clearance to begin PFP

Fitts/25 yrs old---Should be the Cardinals #4 starter this year

They also got:
Yhoiker Fajardo (RHP): A 19-year-old prospect
&
Blake Aita (RHP): A 22-year-old minor-league pitcher.

I like Dobbins, but I don't know if I'd say HUGE upside. He's a nice pitcher, though. I particularly like Fajardo. He's 19, but looks more poised than his age would suggest. He could be the best pitcher we got out of all the Sox guys.

[Adam2]

Clarke-out till at least June arm surgery

Dobbins-starting season on IL recovering from 2nd ACL surgery

Fitts-control issues sporting career 5.00ERA through ST so far.

Keep in mind Bloom “paid up” for these arms.

Can’t argue with that. But I still believe it was an effort of power arm saturation with the intent of shaking one out.

Also in the deals you opened up second and third, neither to have a known player at this time.

It’s a strategy- like gambling.

I understand paying up for talent……but paying up for damaged goods looks a little questionable
Clarke’s injury is a significant one for a pitcher and Dobbins might have been dealt poor ACL genetics. These aren’t surefire TJ recoveries.

None of the players traded were going to bring back surefire talent so they had to gamble on high upside pitchers that were injured they hope will recover from them. Remember they traded players that you said sucked and weren’t worth their contracts for years. Until they were traded which you immediately then said they were actually good worth their contracts and bloom didn’t get enough for them

When my opinion of the worth of a certain player to Cardinals……becomes a monetized commodity and has any baring on the salaries and trade values of MLB players……I’ll share half with you OZ if you can honestly argue that WC and Sonny Gray could return no better than minor league pitcher with extensive injury history….who turns out AFTER the trade to need a surgery to fix an aneurysm/numb arm/blister issues in his pitching arm and a young kid with his SECOND ACL tear……may the force be you. To me it sound like salary dumps that went beyond salary dumps by send BOSTON large cash for very damaged goods

Of course it is salary dumps. this wasn't really a secret

[BrockFloodMaris]

Clarke-out till at least June arm surgery

Dobbins-starting season on IL recovering from 2nd ACL surgery

Fitts-control issues sporting career 5.00ERA through ST so far.

Keep in mind Bloom “paid up” for these arms.

To be fair GF he didn't "pay up".

WillyC & S. Gray were ordered salary dumps by BDWJr and Bloom got back five need arms for the major league and minor league pitching staffs.


Clarke/22 yrs old--HUGE upside (Top 10 Red Sox prospect) w/a 99 MPH fastball, known at the time of trade he wouldn't be ready until mid season

Dobbins/26 yrs old---HUGE upside as a starter, threw 5 inning simulated game just awaiting clearance to begin PFP

Fitts/25 yrs old---Should be the Cardinals #4 starter this year

They also got:
Yhoiker Fajardo (RHP): A 19-year-old prospect
&
Blake Aita (RHP): A 22-year-old minor-league pitcher.

Bloom obviously has taken a "high risk, high ceiling" strategy into roster building. I'm ok with it. Mo was a "low risk, high floor, low ceiling" guy. This roster needed an influx of power arms and power hitters. Bloom has brought them in. Again, I'm ok with the associated risk. It will take a re-calibration of perspective to get on board. There will be some washouts along the way, but the potential upside is much greater than a Mo roster. A roster made up of mostly AAAA guys cannot compete in MLB.

[hugeCardfan]

It's like a childish rant that never ends. I wouldn't change a thing that Bloom did and proffer goldfan's protestations as further proof.

[Goldfan]

Clarke-out till at least June arm surgery

Dobbins-starting season on IL recovering from 2nd ACL surgery

Fitts-control issues sporting career 5.00ERA through ST so far.

Keep in mind Bloom “paid up” for these arms.

To be fair GF he didn't "pay up".

WillyC & S. Gray were ordered salary dumps by BDWJr and Bloom got back five need arms for the major league and minor league pitching staffs.


Clarke/22 yrs old--HUGE upside (Top 10 Red Sox prospect) w/a 99 MPH fastball, known at the time of trade he wouldn't be ready until mid season

Dobbins/26 yrs old---HUGE upside as a starter, threw 5 inning simulated game just awaiting clearance to begin PFP

Fitts/25 yrs old---Should be the Cardinals #4 starter this year

They also got:
Yhoiker Fajardo (RHP): A 19-year-old prospect
&
Blake Aita (RHP): A 22-year-old minor-league pitcher.

I was told the 20mil heading to Bosox was for the all the pitching prospects returning with Clarke and Dobbins being the main prizes. Those are currently damaged goods. I supposed you can just project past and numb arm/aneurysm pitching arm and a kid with his 2nd ACL repair before 25 but those don’t seem like sure things to me……especially with continued delays. If they received healthy bodies for 20mil fine. That wasn’t the case. So 20mil was for damaged prospects??? That’s a good thing?

[Goldfan]

It's like a childish rant that never ends. I wouldn't change a thing that Bloom did and proffer goldfan's protestations as further proof.

You’re fine with damaged goods as a return….if they never produce in MLB….still a good thing to you?? Whatever Bloom might do regardless of outcome …..GREAT….should receive no scrutiny

[rockondlouie]

Clarke-out till at least June arm surgery

Dobbins-starting season on IL recovering from 2nd ACL surgery

Fitts-control issues sporting career 5.00ERA through ST so far.

Keep in mind Bloom “paid up” for these arms.

To be fair GF he didn't "pay up".

WillyC & S. Gray were ordered salary dumps by BDWJr and Bloom got back five need arms for the major league and minor league pitching staffs.


Clarke/22 yrs old--HUGE upside (Top 10 Red Sox prospect) w/a 99 MPH fastball, known at the time of trade he wouldn't be ready until mid season

Dobbins/26 yrs old---HUGE upside as a starter, threw 5 inning simulated game just awaiting clearance to begin PFP

Fitts/25 yrs old---Should be the Cardinals #4 starter this year

They also got:
Yhoiker Fajardo (RHP): A 19-year-old prospect
&
Blake Aita (RHP): A 22-year-old minor-league pitcher.

Bloom obviously has taken a "high risk, high ceiling" strategy into roster building. I'm ok with it. Mo was a "low risk, high floor, low ceiling" guy. This roster needed an influx of power arms and power hitters. Bloom has brought them in. Again, I'm ok with the associated risk. It will take a re-calibration of perspective to get on board. There will be some washouts along the way, but the potential upside is much greater than a Mo roster. A roster made up of mostly AAAA guys cannot compete in MLB.

Same here BFM

Bloom has brought in power arms to the organization that was in desperate need of them.

Sure there's risk, just like there is w/every single pitcher!

If just one of these young starters makes it and becomes a #2 starter, then the deals were a success.

[Jatalk]

Too early to make judgement. However the deals made do feel more like a salary dump than talent acquisition. We will see how it works out then we can second guess Bloom.

[Goldfan]

Clarke-out till at least June arm surgery

Dobbins-starting season on IL recovering from 2nd ACL surgery

Fitts-control issues sporting career 5.00ERA through ST so far.

Keep in mind Bloom “paid up” for these arms.

To be fair GF he didn't "pay up".

WillyC & S. Gray were ordered salary dumps by BDWJr and Bloom got back five need arms for the major league and minor league pitching staffs.


Clarke/22 yrs old--HUGE upside (Top 10 Red Sox prospect) w/a 99 MPH fastball, known at the time of trade he wouldn't be ready until mid season

Dobbins/26 yrs old---HUGE upside as a starter, threw 5 inning simulated game just awaiting clearance to begin PFP

Fitts/25 yrs old---Should be the Cardinals #4 starter this year

They also got:
Yhoiker Fajardo (RHP): A 19-year-old prospect
&
Blake Aita (RHP): A 22-year-old minor-league pitcher.

Bloom obviously has taken a "high risk, high ceiling" strategy into roster building. I'm ok with it. Mo was a "low risk, high floor, low ceiling" guy. This roster needed an influx of power arms and power hitters. Bloom has brought them in. Again, I'm ok with the associated risk. It will take a re-calibration of perspective to get on board. There will be some washouts along the way, but the potential upside is much greater than a Mo roster. A roster made up of mostly AAAA guys cannot compete in MLB.

Same here BFM

Bloom has brought in power arms to the organization that was in desperate need of them.

Sure there's risk, just like there is w/every single pitcher!

If just one of these young starters makes it and becomes a #2 starter, then the deals were a success.

And Cards didn’t know about aneurysm and required surgery until AFTER he was traded.