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Ordinary Man wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:21 pm

ramfandan wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:16 pm

82birds wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:06 pm wth umpires?
ONE of you should have seen that fouled off his foot.

If a the ball is batted off the foot , it can be a ball 'in play' if the umpire determines the foot was in fair territory at the time it was struck .
Here is summary of the rule :

Yes, a ball hitting the batter's foot and going fair is considered a fair ball in play, provided the batter's foot is in fair territory when it'(poop). The location of the ball determines fair or foul, not the location of the batter's body or feet when the ball hits them, but the part of the body that is hit. The ball remains in play.

So that is why Walker had to run that ball out .

Excellent post! It's easy to forget that a part of the batter's box is in fair territory. Would like to see another replay now.

slimjay63801 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:21 pm

Whatashame wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:15 pm

12xu wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:08 pm

BIG J wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:06 pm How does Walker not sell that as going off the top of his foot???

My sentiments exactly.

Walker did the right thing. If he doesn’t hear anything he has to run. Standing there and getting thrown out would have looked worse. Only if Saggese would have just ran and not umpired the play.

If you are correct, he still did the wrong thing by not just staying at first. Too many baserunning blunders...

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:25 pm

Ordinary Man wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:21 pm

ramfandan wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:16 pm

82birds wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:06 pm wth umpires?
ONE of you should have seen that fouled off his foot.

If a the ball is batted off the foot , it can be a ball 'in play' if the umpire determines the foot was in fair territory at the time it was struck .
Here is summary of the rule :

Yes, a ball hitting the batter's foot and going fair is considered a fair ball in play, provided the batter's foot is in fair territory when it'(poop). The location of the ball determines fair or foul, not the location of the batter's body or feet when the ball hits them, but the part of the body that is hit. The ball remains in play.

So that is why Walker had to run that ball out .

Excellent post! It's easy to forget that a part of the batter's box is in fair territory. Would like to see another replay now.

Ah so it was still dumb base running by sagasse for going home and walker going to second so still dumb base running by both of them

craviduce wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:26 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:25 pm

Ordinary Man wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:21 pm

ramfandan wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:16 pm

82birds wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:06 pm wth umpires?
ONE of you should have seen that fouled off his foot.

If a the ball is batted off the foot , it can be a ball 'in play' if the umpire determines the foot was in fair territory at the time it was struck .
Here is summary of the rule :

Yes, a ball hitting the batter's foot and going fair is considered a fair ball in play, provided the batter's foot is in fair territory when it'(poop). The location of the ball determines fair or foul, not the location of the batter's body or feet when the ball hits them, but the part of the body that is hit. The ball remains in play.

So that is why Walker had to run that ball out .

Excellent post! It's easy to forget that a part of the batter's box is in fair territory. Would like to see another replay now.

Ah so it was still dumb base running by sagasse for going home and walker going to second so still dumb base running by both of them

Saggese didn't initially go, he judged it foul off the foot, then jogged home...there's 2 bonehead plays there, then Jordan trying to get to 2B was your 3rd.

Microcosm of this team...leadership, Oli doesn't coach/manage his team.

craviduce wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:26 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:25 pm

Ordinary Man wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:21 pm

ramfandan wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:16 pm

82birds wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:06 pm wth umpires?
ONE of you should have seen that fouled off his foot.

If a the ball is batted off the foot , it can be a ball 'in play' if the umpire determines the foot was in fair territory at the time it was struck .
Here is summary of the rule :

Yes, a ball hitting the batter's foot and going fair is considered a fair ball in play, provided the batter's foot is in fair territory when it'(poop). The location of the ball determines fair or foul, not the location of the batter's body or feet when the ball hits them, but the part of the body that is hit. The ball remains in play.

So that is why Walker had to run that ball out .

Excellent post! It's easy to forget that a part of the batter's box is in fair territory. Would like to see another replay now.

Ah so it was still dumb base running by sagasse for going home and walker going to second so still dumb base running by both of them

Saggese didn't initially go, he judged it foul off the foot, then jogged home...there's 2 bonehead plays there, then Jordan trying to get to 2B was your 3rd.

Microcosm of this team...leadership, Oli doesn't coach/manage his team.

1983cougar wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:25 pm Verlander would have looked good in a Cardinals uniform... about a decade ago.

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:19 pm

cbcloud wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:18 pm

82birds wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:07 pm

BIG J wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:06 pm How does Walker not sell that as going off the top of his foot???

I had the same thought.

...Blame that on the HP ump... If he dosen't call "foul" immediately, ya gotta run. Makes no difference of the batter's opinion... Walker woulda been criticized if he DIDN'T run... Whole crew of umps blew that call... SOMEBODY should have seen the ball hit off Walker's foot...

No one would have blamed him for not running on a foul ball clearly off his foot he should have stayed put and argued and ump would have asked for help. By running he made it look like it was the right call

cbcloud wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:36 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:19 pm

cbcloud wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:18 pm

82birds wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:07 pm

BIG J wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:06 pm How does Walker not sell that as going off the top of his foot???

I had the same thought.

...Blame that on the HP ump... If he dosen't call "foul" immediately, ya gotta run. Makes no difference of the batter's opinion... Walker woulda been criticized if he DIDN'T run... Whole crew of umps blew that call... SOMEBODY should have seen the ball hit off Walker's foot...

No one would have blamed him for not running on a foul ball clearly off his foot he should have stayed put and argued and ump would have asked for help. By running he made it look like it was the right call

That was the problem... The HP ump was blocked by the batter on seeing the hit on the foot, but there should have been 3 other sets of eyes on that crew, and at least ONE of them should have saw it. Saggese saw it from 3B and that's why he took his time retreating to 3B. When the foul wasn't called, he was a dead duck.

Clear case of the ump crew "stealing" 2 outs from the Cards. Play not reviewable, so what was called stands, when replay clearly showed to be foul ball...

craviduce wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:26 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:25 pm

Ordinary Man wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:21 pm

ramfandan wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:16 pm

82birds wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:06 pm wth umpires?
ONE of you should have seen that fouled off his foot.

If a the ball is batted off the foot , it can be a ball 'in play' if the umpire determines the foot was in fair territory at the time it was struck .
Here is summary of the rule :

Yes, a ball hitting the batter's foot and going fair is considered a fair ball in play, provided the batter's foot is in fair territory when it'(poop). The location of the ball determines fair or foul, not the location of the batter's body or feet when the ball hits them, but the part of the body that is hit. The ball remains in play.

So that is why Walker had to run that ball out .

Excellent post! It's easy to forget that a part of the batter's box is in fair territory. Would like to see another replay now.

Ah so it was still dumb base running by sagasse for going home and walker going to second so still dumb base running by both of them

Saggese didn't initially go, he judged it foul off the foot, then jogged home...there's 2 bonehead plays there, then Jordan trying to get to 2B was your 3rd.

Microcosm of this team...leadership, Oli doesn't coach/manage his team.

slimjay63801 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:32 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:26 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:25 pm

Ordinary Man wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:21 pm

ramfandan wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:16 pm

82birds wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:06 pm wth umpires?
ONE of you should have seen that fouled off his foot.

If a the ball is batted off the foot , it can be a ball 'in play' if the umpire determines the foot was in fair territory at the time it was struck .
Here is summary of the rule :

Yes, a ball hitting the batter's foot and going fair is considered a fair ball in play, provided the batter's foot is in fair territory when it'(poop). The location of the ball determines fair or foul, not the location of the batter's body or feet when the ball hits them, but the part of the body that is hit. The ball remains in play.

So that is why Walker had to run that ball out .

Excellent post! It's easy to forget that a part of the batter's box is in fair territory. Would like to see another replay now.

Ah so it was still dumb base running by sagasse for going home and walker going to second so still dumb base running by both of them

Saggese didn't initially go, he judged it foul off the foot, then jogged home...there's 2 bonehead plays there, then Jordan trying to get to 2B was your 3rd.

Microcosm of this team...leadership, Oli doesn't coach/manage his team.

Well put! The difference between games won this year IMO. Not that it matters. This isn't a very good team and they wouldn't do anything in the playoffs if they did get there. I love well coached, fundamentally sound baseball and this team hasn't had that for quite a few years now.

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:39 pm

cbcloud wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:36 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:19 pm

cbcloud wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:18 pm

82birds wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:07 pm

BIG J wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 21:06 pm How does Walker not sell that as going off the top of his foot???

I had the same thought.

...Blame that on the HP ump... If he dosen't call "foul" immediately, ya gotta run. Makes no difference of the batter's opinion... Walker woulda been criticized if he DIDN'T run... Whole crew of umps blew that call... SOMEBODY should have seen the ball hit off Walker's foot...

No one would have blamed him for not running on a foul ball clearly off his foot he should have stayed put and argued and ump would have asked for help. By running he made it look like it was the right call

That was the problem... The HP ump was blocked by the batter on seeing the hit on the foot, but there should have been 3 other sets of eyes on that crew, and at least ONE of them should have saw it. Saggese saw it from 3B and that's why he took his time retreating to 3B. When the foul wasn't called, he was a dead duck.

Clear case of the ump crew "stealing" 2 outs from the Cards. Play not reviewable, so what was called stands, when replay clearly showed to be foul ball...

No saggasse and walker gave them two outs