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mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑01 Jun 2025 09:18 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑01 Jun 2025 09:10 am

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑01 Jun 2025 09:05 am

ICCFIM2 wrote: ↑01 Jun 2025 00:06 am The problem is, with the revenue disparity, I am not sure the Cards on paper will be a top 3-4 team in the next decade.

I have to believe that they can - but it will be a matter of making up for any lack of ML payroll compared to the Dodgers, Phillies, Mets, etc. by just being smarter in their decisions than other organizations.

This assumes the big money guys have not the smarts we do. I’d say they do. Plus the money.

Even if we are smart we compete against just as smart.

Brains and Bucks- B2.

Teams like the Rays, Guardians, and Brewers (all typically in the bottom 1/3 in ML payroll) have shown an ability to outperform their payrolls by just being smarter than everyone else. The Cardinals (typically a middle 1/3 in ML payroll team) need to be smart like those teams, with the addition of having somewhat more payroll muscle to use.

WLTFE wrote: ↑31 May 2025 19:56 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑31 May 2025 19:55 pm If Mo is in charge, then he will sit around at the deadline with his thumb up his (donkey). That lazy, do-nothing putz will hope for the best.

You're going to get 'effing' yelled at by the front office (donkey) kissers!

Cranny wrote: ↑31 May 2025 16:30 pm

JohnnyMO wrote: ↑31 May 2025 15:57 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑31 May 2025 15:37 pm

Banner29 wrote: ↑31 May 2025 12:01 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑31 May 2025 11:57 am

2ninr wrote: ↑31 May 2025 11:50 am

JDW wrote: ↑31 May 2025 07:19 am

WLTFE wrote: ↑31 May 2025 06:18 am Imagine spending time on an anonymous forum instructing others how to post...the arrogance is outstanding...perhaps they should mind their own [fork]ing business!

First he ask what eff means, then he keeps bumping it for the multi generations to get more opportunity to see ................... and probably most laugh at.

I just try an appreciate the humor of it all.

You are right. I'm probably being a little hypocritical ragging on Cranny. So how about this. Cranny relax and listen to this song whenever people bother you.

https://youtu.be/xZbKHDPPrrc?si=ggFAXuh_v6yS5NJI

Shucks, 2ninr. I’m just a guy who appreciates very much the PD having a free Cards Talk forum for all Cardinal fans to enjoy ant no cost. And the fact that they also lay out posting rules for the benefit of all. Rules that that are designed keep things friendly and in good taste.

Shut the eff up

That’s highly mature, Banner. LOL. Grow up.

No one likes a hall monitor. Why can’t you let the forum moderators do the moderating and save the constant high horse?

Let me ask you a question, Johnny. It someone bashes you in you face, do you run to others for help?

JohnnyMO wrote: ↑01 Jun 2025 23:03 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑31 May 2025 16:30 pm

JohnnyMO wrote: ↑31 May 2025 15:57 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑31 May 2025 15:37 pm

Banner29 wrote: ↑31 May 2025 12:01 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑31 May 2025 11:57 am

2ninr wrote: ↑31 May 2025 11:50 am

JDW wrote: ↑31 May 2025 07:19 am

WLTFE wrote: ↑31 May 2025 06:18 am Imagine spending time on an anonymous forum instructing others how to post...the arrogance is outstanding...perhaps they should mind their own [fork]ing business!

First he ask what eff means, then he keeps bumping it for the multi generations to get more opportunity to see ................... and probably most laugh at.

I just try an appreciate the humor of it all.

You are right. I'm probably being a little hypocritical ragging on Cranny. So how about this. Cranny relax and listen to this song whenever people bother you.

https://youtu.be/xZbKHDPPrrc?si=ggFAXuh_v6yS5NJI

Shucks, 2ninr. I’m just a guy who appreciates very much the PD having a free Cards Talk forum for all Cardinal fans to enjoy ant no cost. And the fact that they also lay out posting rules for the benefit of all. Rules that that are designed keep things friendly and in good taste.

Shut the eff up

That’s highly mature, Banner. LOL. Grow up.

No one likes a hall monitor. Why can’t you let the forum moderators do the moderating and save the constant high horse?

Let me ask you a question, Johnny. It someone bashes you in you face, do you run to others for help?

Huh? Not following your train of thought. I guess the answer is no, but I haven’t been in a fight since 9th grade so who knows.

Are you supposed to be the guy getting punched in the face in that scenario? I’m confused

icon wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 00:27 am

JohnnyMO wrote: ↑01 Jun 2025 23:03 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑31 May 2025 16:30 pm

JohnnyMO wrote: ↑31 May 2025 15:57 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑31 May 2025 15:37 pm

Banner29 wrote: ↑31 May 2025 12:01 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑31 May 2025 11:57 am

2ninr wrote: ↑31 May 2025 11:50 am

JDW wrote: ↑31 May 2025 07:19 am

WLTFE wrote: ↑31 May 2025 06:18 am Imagine spending time on an anonymous forum instructing others how to post...the arrogance is outstanding...perhaps they should mind their own [fork]ing business!

First he ask what eff means, then he keeps bumping it for the multi generations to get more opportunity to see ................... and probably most laugh at.

I just try an appreciate the humor of it all.

You are right. I'm probably being a little hypocritical ragging on Cranny. So how about this. Cranny relax and listen to this song whenever people bother you.

https://youtu.be/xZbKHDPPrrc?si=ggFAXuh_v6yS5NJI

Shucks, 2ninr. I’m just a guy who appreciates very much the PD having a free Cards Talk forum for all Cardinal fans to enjoy ant no cost. And the fact that they also lay out posting rules for the benefit of all. Rules that that are designed keep things friendly and in good taste.

Shut the eff up

That’s highly mature, Banner. LOL. Grow up.

No one likes a hall monitor. Why can’t you let the forum moderators do the moderating and save the constant high horse?

Let me ask you a question, Johnny. It someone bashes you in you face, do you run to others for help?

Huh? Not following your train of thought. I guess the answer is no, but I haven’t been in a fight since 9th grade so who knows.

Are you supposed to be the guy getting punched in the face in that scenario? I’m confused

It's a non sequitur. That's why you are confused and I'm confused and everybody else is probably confused.

AnExParrot wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 08:54 am

icon wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 00:27 am

JohnnyMO wrote: ↑01 Jun 2025 23:03 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑31 May 2025 16:30 pm

JohnnyMO wrote: ↑31 May 2025 15:57 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑31 May 2025 15:37 pm

Banner29 wrote: ↑31 May 2025 12:01 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑31 May 2025 11:57 am

2ninr wrote: ↑31 May 2025 11:50 am

JDW wrote: ↑31 May 2025 07:19 am

WLTFE wrote: ↑31 May 2025 06:18 am Imagine spending time on an anonymous forum instructing others how to post...the arrogance is outstanding...perhaps they should mind their own [fork]ing business!

First he ask what eff means, then he keeps bumping it for the multi generations to get more opportunity to see ................... and probably most laugh at.

I just try an appreciate the humor of it all.

You are right. I'm probably being a little hypocritical ragging on Cranny. So how about this. Cranny relax and listen to this song whenever people bother you.

https://youtu.be/xZbKHDPPrrc?si=ggFAXuh_v6yS5NJI

Shucks, 2ninr. I’m just a guy who appreciates very much the PD having a free Cards Talk forum for all Cardinal fans to enjoy ant no cost. And the fact that they also lay out posting rules for the benefit of all. Rules that that are designed keep things friendly and in good taste.

Shut the eff up

That’s highly mature, Banner. LOL. Grow up.

No one likes a hall monitor. Why can’t you let the forum moderators do the moderating and save the constant high horse?

Let me ask you a question, Johnny. It someone bashes you in you face, do you run to others for help?

Huh? Not following your train of thought. I guess the answer is no, but I haven’t been in a fight since 9th grade so who knows.

Are you supposed to be the guy getting punched in the face in that scenario? I’m confused

It's a non sequitur. That's why you are confused and I'm confused and everybody else is probably confused.

I'm not confused at all. cranny is equating seeing/reading the word "eff" with being bashed in the face. It's effing stupid, not confusing.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 09:01 am

AnExParrot wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 08:54 am

icon wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 00:27 am

JohnnyMO wrote: ↑01 Jun 2025 23:03 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑31 May 2025 16:30 pm

JohnnyMO wrote: ↑31 May 2025 15:57 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑31 May 2025 15:37 pm

Banner29 wrote: ↑31 May 2025 12:01 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑31 May 2025 11:57 am

2ninr wrote: ↑31 May 2025 11:50 am

JDW wrote: ↑31 May 2025 07:19 am

WLTFE wrote: ↑31 May 2025 06:18 am Imagine spending time on an anonymous forum instructing others how to post...the arrogance is outstanding...perhaps they should mind their own [fork]ing business!

First he ask what eff means, then he keeps bumping it for the multi generations to get more opportunity to see ................... and probably most laugh at.

I just try an appreciate the humor of it all.

You are right. I'm probably being a little hypocritical ragging on Cranny. So how about this. Cranny relax and listen to this song whenever people bother you.

https://youtu.be/xZbKHDPPrrc?si=ggFAXuh_v6yS5NJI

Shucks, 2ninr. I’m just a guy who appreciates very much the PD having a free Cards Talk forum for all Cardinal fans to enjoy ant no cost. And the fact that they also lay out posting rules for the benefit of all. Rules that that are designed keep things friendly and in good taste.

Shut the eff up

That’s highly mature, Banner. LOL. Grow up.

No one likes a hall monitor. Why can’t you let the forum moderators do the moderating and save the constant high horse?

Let me ask you a question, Johnny. It someone bashes you in you face, do you run to others for help?

Huh? Not following your train of thought. I guess the answer is no, but I haven’t been in a fight since 9th grade so who knows.

Are you supposed to be the guy getting punched in the face in that scenario? I’m confused

It's a non sequitur. That's why you are confused and I'm confused and everybody else is probably confused.

I'm not confused at all. cranny is equating seeing/reading the word "eff" with being bashed in the face. It's effing stupid, not confusing.

I’m certain he knows the meaning. He’s just being him.
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You mean a smug, holier than thou, hall monitor?

JohnnyMO wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 09:19 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 09:01 am

AnExParrot wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 08:54 am

icon wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 00:27 am

JohnnyMO wrote: ↑01 Jun 2025 23:03 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑31 May 2025 16:30 pm

JohnnyMO wrote: ↑31 May 2025 15:57 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑31 May 2025 15:37 pm

Banner29 wrote: ↑31 May 2025 12:01 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑31 May 2025 11:57 am

2ninr wrote: ↑31 May 2025 11:50 am

JDW wrote: ↑31 May 2025 07:19 am

First he ask what eff means, then he keeps bumping it for the multi generations to get more opportunity to see ................... and probably most laugh at.

I just try an appreciate the humor of it all.

You are right. I'm probably being a little hypocritical ragging on Cranny. So how about this. Cranny relax and listen to this song whenever people bother you.

https://youtu.be/xZbKHDPPrrc?si=ggFAXuh_v6yS5NJI

Shucks, 2ninr. I’m just a guy who appreciates very much the PD having a free Cards Talk forum for all Cardinal fans to enjoy ant no cost. And the fact that they also lay out posting rules for the benefit of all. Rules that that are designed keep things friendly and in good taste.

Shut the eff up

That’s highly mature, Banner. LOL. Grow up.

No one likes a hall monitor. Why can’t you let the forum moderators do the moderating and save the constant high horse?

Let me ask you a question, Johnny. It someone bashes you in you face, do you run to others for help?

Huh? Not following your train of thought. I guess the answer is no, but I haven’t been in a fight since 9th grade so who knows.

Are you supposed to be the guy getting punched in the face in that scenario? I’m confused

It's a non sequitur. That's why you are confused and I'm confused and everybody else is probably confused.

I'm not confused at all. cranny is equating seeing/reading the word "eff" with being bashed in the face. It's effing stupid, not confusing.

I’m certain he knows the meaning. He’s just being him.
[/quote

You mean a smug, holier than thou, hall monitor?

There are many roles on the forum. This is just one.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑01 Jun 2025 09:22 am

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑01 Jun 2025 09:18 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑01 Jun 2025 09:10 am

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑01 Jun 2025 09:05 am

ICCFIM2 wrote: ↑01 Jun 2025 00:06 am The problem is, with the revenue disparity, I am not sure the Cards on paper will be a top 3-4 team in the next decade.

I have to believe that they can - but it will be a matter of making up for any lack of ML payroll compared to the Dodgers, Phillies, Mets, etc. by just being smarter in their decisions than other organizations.

This assumes the big money guys have not the smarts we do. I’d say they do. Plus the money.

Even if we are smart we compete against just as smart.

Brains and Bucks- B2.

Teams like the Rays, Guardians, and Brewers (all typically in the bottom 1/3 in ML payroll) have shown an ability to outperform their payrolls by just being smarter than everyone else. The Cardinals (typically a middle 1/3 in ML payroll team) need to be smart like those teams, with the addition of having somewhat more payroll muscle to use.

With the addition of having somewhat more payroll muscle. Therein lies a key.
The money will be there. With Bloom, I think we are as smart as most.

I truly see us as a power in 2027.

Melville wrote: ↑30 May 2025 19:03 pm

VegasVinny wrote: ↑30 May 2025 10:10 am

Melville wrote: ↑30 May 2025 08:41 am

VegasVinny wrote: ↑30 May 2025 08:26 am If a respectable return presents itself, I’d still move Helsley regardless of the standings.

The CORRECT BASBEBALL DECISION is to extend Helsley for another 4 years sometime in the next 30 days.

20 years ago, I would've agreed with you. However, the number of closers who throw 100+ mph that enjoy long careers are becoming fewer and fewer. Reliever volatility is real and if the Cardinals can get close to a Chapman-like return for Helsley, they'd be crazy not to do it.

Offer 4 year extension.
17M a year, with 3M deferred annually and payable beginning in 2030.
5th year team option with 2M buyout.
Player opt out after year one and two.
He would sign it.
And it would be a smart move for STL.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

thetank2 wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 09:45 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑01 Jun 2025 09:22 am

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑01 Jun 2025 09:18 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑01 Jun 2025 09:10 am

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑01 Jun 2025 09:05 am

ICCFIM2 wrote: ↑01 Jun 2025 00:06 am The problem is, with the revenue disparity, I am not sure the Cards on paper will be a top 3-4 team in the next decade.

I have to believe that they can - but it will be a matter of making up for any lack of ML payroll compared to the Dodgers, Phillies, Mets, etc. by just being smarter in their decisions than other organizations.

This assumes the big money guys have not the smarts we do. I’d say they do. Plus the money.

Even if we are smart we compete against just as smart.

Brains and Bucks- B2.

Teams like the Rays, Guardians, and Brewers (all typically in the bottom 1/3 in ML payroll) have shown an ability to outperform their payrolls by just being smarter than everyone else. The Cardinals (typically a middle 1/3 in ML payroll team) need to be smart like those teams, with the addition of having somewhat more payroll muscle to use.

With the addition of having somewhat more payroll muscle. Therein lies a key.
The money will be there. With Bloom, I think we are as smart as most.

I truly see us as a power in 2027.

Bloom's ex-team, the Red Sox, aren't doing as well as Mo's current team. With Bloom we are not as smart as most. What are you basing your opinion? Hope and a prayer?

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 09:01 am

AnExParrot wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 08:54 am

icon wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 00:27 am

JohnnyMO wrote: ↑01 Jun 2025 23:03 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑31 May 2025 16:30 pm

JohnnyMO wrote: ↑31 May 2025 15:57 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑31 May 2025 15:37 pm

Banner29 wrote: ↑31 May 2025 12:01 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑31 May 2025 11:57 am

2ninr wrote: ↑31 May 2025 11:50 am

JDW wrote: ↑31 May 2025 07:19 am

WLTFE wrote: ↑31 May 2025 06:18 am Imagine spending time on an anonymous forum instructing others how to post...the arrogance is outstanding...perhaps they should mind their own [fork]ing business!

First he ask what eff means, then he keeps bumping it for the multi generations to get more opportunity to see ................... and probably most laugh at.

I just try an appreciate the humor of it all.

You are right. I'm probably being a little hypocritical ragging on Cranny. So how about this. Cranny relax and listen to this song whenever people bother you.

https://youtu.be/xZbKHDPPrrc?si=ggFAXuh_v6yS5NJI

Shucks, 2ninr. I’m just a guy who appreciates very much the PD having a free Cards Talk forum for all Cardinal fans to enjoy ant no cost. And the fact that they also lay out posting rules for the benefit of all. Rules that that are designed keep things friendly and in good taste.

Shut the eff up

That’s highly mature, Banner. LOL. Grow up.

No one likes a hall monitor. Why can’t you let the forum moderators do the moderating and save the constant high horse?

Let me ask you a question, Johnny. It someone bashes you in you face, do you run to others for help?

Huh? Not following your train of thought. I guess the answer is no, but I haven’t been in a fight since 9th grade so who knows.

Are you supposed to be the guy getting punched in the face in that scenario? I’m confused

It's a non sequitur. That's why you are confused and I'm confused and everybody else is probably confused.

I'm not confused at all. cranny is equating seeing/reading the word "eff" with being bashed in the face. It's effing stupid, not confusing.

I’m certain he knows the meaning. He’s just being him.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 09:55 am

thetank2 wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 09:45 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑01 Jun 2025 09:22 am

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑01 Jun 2025 09:18 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑01 Jun 2025 09:10 am

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑01 Jun 2025 09:05 am

ICCFIM2 wrote: ↑01 Jun 2025 00:06 am The problem is, with the revenue disparity, I am not sure the Cards on paper will be a top 3-4 team in the next decade.

I have to believe that they can - but it will be a matter of making up for any lack of ML payroll compared to the Dodgers, Phillies, Mets, etc. by just being smarter in their decisions than other organizations.

This assumes the big money guys have not the smarts we do. I’d say they do. Plus the money.

Even if we are smart we compete against just as smart.

Brains and Bucks- B2.

Teams like the Rays, Guardians, and Brewers (all typically in the bottom 1/3 in ML payroll) have shown an ability to outperform their payrolls by just being smarter than everyone else. The Cardinals (typically a middle 1/3 in ML payroll team) need to be smart like those teams, with the addition of having somewhat more payroll muscle to use.

With the addition of having somewhat more payroll muscle. Therein lies a key.
The money will be there. With Bloom, I think we are as smart as most.

I truly see us as a power in 2027.

Bloom's ex-team, the Red Sox, aren't doing as well as Mo's current team. With Bloom we are not as smart as most. What are you basing your opinion? Hope and a prayer?

New environment. Another chance bases on experience. He did some good things in Boston. Much of the Red Sox misfortunes is coaching and lack of performance. Add to that a hot Yankee team and it seems worse.

thetank2 wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 10:26 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 09:55 am

thetank2 wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 09:45 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑01 Jun 2025 09:22 am

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑01 Jun 2025 09:18 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑01 Jun 2025 09:10 am

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑01 Jun 2025 09:05 am

ICCFIM2 wrote: ↑01 Jun 2025 00:06 am The problem is, with the revenue disparity, I am not sure the Cards on paper will be a top 3-4 team in the next decade.

I have to believe that they can - but it will be a matter of making up for any lack of ML payroll compared to the Dodgers, Phillies, Mets, etc. by just being smarter in their decisions than other organizations.

This assumes the big money guys have not the smarts we do. I’d say they do. Plus the money.

Even if we are smart we compete against just as smart.

Brains and Bucks- B2.

Teams like the Rays, Guardians, and Brewers (all typically in the bottom 1/3 in ML payroll) have shown an ability to outperform their payrolls by just being smarter than everyone else. The Cardinals (typically a middle 1/3 in ML payroll team) need to be smart like those teams, with the addition of having somewhat more payroll muscle to use.

With the addition of having somewhat more payroll muscle. Therein lies a key.
The money will be there. With Bloom, I think we are as smart as most.

I truly see us as a power in 2027.

Bloom's ex-team, the Red Sox, aren't doing as well as Mo's current team. With Bloom we are not as smart as most. What are you basing your opinion? Hope and a prayer?

New environment. Another chance bases on experience. He did some good things in Boston. Much of the Red Sox misfortunes is coaching and lack of performance. Add to that a hot Yankee team and it seems worse.

I think the anti-Mo sentiment on here has tainted your rationale. His Red Sox teams finished last 3 times and he left before his 4th season was over. So are the Sox thriving? No.

Once the SP staff loses Matz, Miles, Fedde and RP Helsley we will be counting on rookies for next year.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 10:32 am

thetank2 wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 10:26 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 09:55 am

thetank2 wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 09:45 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑01 Jun 2025 09:22 am

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑01 Jun 2025 09:18 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑01 Jun 2025 09:10 am

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑01 Jun 2025 09:05 am

ICCFIM2 wrote: ↑01 Jun 2025 00:06 am The problem is, with the revenue disparity, I am not sure the Cards on paper will be a top 3-4 team in the next decade.

I have to believe that they can - but it will be a matter of making up for any lack of ML payroll compared to the Dodgers, Phillies, Mets, etc. by just being smarter in their decisions than other organizations.

This assumes the big money guys have not the smarts we do. I’d say they do. Plus the money.

Even if we are smart we compete against just as smart.

Brains and Bucks- B2.

Teams like the Rays, Guardians, and Brewers (all typically in the bottom 1/3 in ML payroll) have shown an ability to outperform their payrolls by just being smarter than everyone else. The Cardinals (typically a middle 1/3 in ML payroll team) need to be smart like those teams, with the addition of having somewhat more payroll muscle to use.

With the addition of having somewhat more payroll muscle. Therein lies a key.
The money will be there. With Bloom, I think we are as smart as most.

I truly see us as a power in 2027.

Bloom's ex-team, the Red Sox, aren't doing as well as Mo's current team. With Bloom we are not as smart as most. What are you basing your opinion? Hope and a prayer?

New environment. Another chance bases on experience. He did some good things in Boston. Much of the Red Sox misfortunes is coaching and lack of performance. Add to that a hot Yankee team and it seems worse.

I think the anti-Mo sentiment on here has tainted your rationale. His Red Sox teams finished last 3 times and he left before his 4th season was over. So are the Sox thriving? No.

Once the SP staff loses Matz, Miles, Fedde and RP Helsley we will be counting on rookies for next year.

Your facts sustain your argument. I’m no match for them. I have a thought that a capable human in the right environment can thrive. Now that he has experience, I expect better results. We needed an over haul. We were stale.

We were moving like pond water.