Ellis claimed by Sabres

[DawgDad]

How we will be fine long-term...
If Hofer is better than Ellis

How we will be Barbarshev'd/Mikola'd again...
If Ellis is better than Hofer

My only question is this....
Where is the young prospect that the Blues can steal for cheap off waivers? Army, where are you?

Idk, where are they? Does one such player exist? What young player do you think he should have plucked from waivers? Or are you once again just complaining about Army with no real substance behind it?

Here’s the waiver wire:
https://puckpedia.com/waiver-wire


See any great young players there that are clearly better than what we already have Army should’ve taken?

What I see is a 3-step, over and over.

Step 1. We lose young players because Army just can't possibly hold onto them for an assortment of reasons. Each time it happens I'm irritated that WE ARE NEVER on the winning side of these young casualties. Never.

Step 2. The young player plays a key role on a Stanley Cup championship.

Step 3. The young player signs massive deals with the Stanley Cup team.

Key Question:
How can a star-studded championship team make room for the young players that we can't hold?

Regarding the waiver wire.... I suspect that no team jumped for joy when Mikola's name hit the wire. Florida did because they know talent.

Oh, my, what utter nonsense!

Ellis was blocked.
Step 1. Have you ever heard of Broberg and Holloway? Just nuked your premise. Try harder. This type of thing happens to all teams from time to time.

Some will see a caboose in front of an engine, and claim that the engine is "blocked", and therefore the engine is not needed.
Others will realize that the engineer has to keep the best parts on the track. That's his job.

The acquisition of Broberg and Holloway are 1000% different than Ellis.

Ellis was acquired for NOTHING AT NO RISK. Ellis was acquired via normal processes that can be counted on every year.
Army took large risks to acquire Broberg and Holloway, and he used abnormal processes that are hardly ever successful.

First, you are making a mountain out of a waiver wire prospect. Second, you are beating a negativity narrative I do not subscribe to in its intent or propriety. Third, you're just wrong, wrong headed.

Most of us probably wish Ellis hadn't gotten away until we knew more about his NHL potential. Most of us generally understand how pro sports work as a business. Most of us understand the most important thing here is the NHL team, not an individual depth prospect.

No use in arguing w a pigeon. No matter what they'll puff their chest out, chirp and then (bleep) all over the board.

Agree with you and others on the point of this is how it works and it's good to see Ellis get some sort of opportunity. Goalies are a strange bunch.

The day Binner signed his extension I posted that the Blues were set up to be a goalie grooming mill for years to come. I don't claim any special insight, it was obvious to most of us. Husso, Hofer, Ellis, with Zherenko and Cranley still in the pipeline. The Ellis move signals the Blues are very comfortable with Hofer.

[b-a-a-a-rclay]

How we will be fine long-term...
If Hofer is better than Ellis

How we will be Barbarshev'd/Mikola'd again...
If Ellis is better than Hofer

My only question is this....
Where is the young prospect that the Blues can steal for cheap off waivers? Army, where are you?

Idk, where are they? Does one such player exist? What young player do you think he should have plucked from waivers? Or are you once again just complaining about Army with no real substance behind it?

Here’s the waiver wire:
https://puckpedia.com/waiver-wire


See any great young players there that are clearly better than what we already have Army should’ve taken?

What I see is a 3-step, over and over.

Step 1. We lose young players because Army just can't possibly hold onto them for an assortment of reasons. Each time it happens I'm irritated that WE ARE NEVER on the winning side of these young casualties. Never.

Step 2. The young player plays a key role on a Stanley Cup championship.

Step 3. The young player signs massive deals with the Stanley Cup team.

Key Question:
How can a star-studded championship team make room for the young players that we can't hold?

Regarding the waiver wire.... I suspect that no team jumped for joy when Mikola's name hit the wire. Florida did because they know talent.

When was Mikkola on the waiver wire?

[Sudsy 11]

How we will be fine long-term...
If Hofer is better than Ellis

How we will be Barbarshev'd/Mikola'd again...
If Ellis is better than Hofer

My only question is this....
Where is the young prospect that the Blues can steal for cheap off waivers? Army, where are you?

Idk, where are they? Does one such player exist? What young player do you think he should have plucked from waivers? Or are you once again just complaining about Army with no real substance behind it?

Here’s the waiver wire:
https://puckpedia.com/waiver-wire


See any great young players there that are clearly better than what we already have Army should’ve taken?

What I see is a 3-step, over and over.

Step 1. We lose young players because Army just can't possibly hold onto them for an assortment of reasons. Each time it happens I'm irritated that WE ARE NEVER on the winning side of these young casualties. Never.

Step 2. The young player plays a key role on a Stanley Cup championship.

Step 3. The young player signs massive deals with the Stanley Cup team.

Key Question:
How can a star-studded championship team make room for the young players that we can't hold?

Regarding the waiver wire.... I suspect that no team jumped for joy when Mikola's name hit the wire. Florida did because they know talent.

When was Mikkola on the waiver wire?

Florida didn't acquire Mikkola from waivers. He was traded from the Blues to the Rangers with Tank at the trade deadline (both upcoming UFAs) then Florida signed him as a free agent after the season.

[b-a-a-a-rclay]

You and I know that, but somebody in this thread doesn't really know what he thinks he knows.
He doesn't know a lot of stuff that he thinks he knows. But that's ok.

[zuck698]

How we will be fine long-term...
If Hofer is better than Ellis

How we will be Barbarshev'd/Mikola'd again...
If Ellis is better than Hofer

My only question is this....
Where is the young prospect that the Blues can steal for cheap off waivers? Army, where are you?

Idk, where are they? Does one such player exist? What young player do you think he should have plucked from waivers? Or are you once again just complaining about Army with no real substance behind it?

Here’s the waiver wire:
https://puckpedia.com/waiver-wire


See any great young players there that are clearly better than what we already have Army should’ve taken?

What I see is a 3-step, over and over.

Step 1. We lose young players because Army just can't possibly hold onto them for an assortment of reasons. Each time it happens I'm irritated that WE ARE NEVER on the winning side of these young casualties. Never.

Step 2. The young player plays a key role on a Stanley Cup championship.

Step 3. The young player signs massive deals with the Stanley Cup team.

Key Question:
How can a star-studded championship team make room for the young players that we can't hold?

Regarding the waiver wire.... I suspect that no team jumped for joy when Mikola's name hit the wire. Florida did because they know talent.

Smelly Green Grass, for someone who comes across with a "know it all" persona attitude on all things hockey, you sure seem to make a ton of mistakes! Good entertainment value though, so thanks for that.

[Red7]

Anyone remember Willy Husso? We survived his leaving. We’ll survive losing Ellis. Walman is with his FIFTH team. His 7/49 is a head scratcher. Makes Fowler’s 3/18.3 a bargain.

During the Van Ryn era, the Blues did have a major issue developing young defensemen. Dunn, Walman, Mikkola all failed to flourish under his tutelage. It took Larry Robinson coming onto the ice to turnaround guys like Parayko, Jaybo and Gunnarsson. Tucker made great strides last year. Hopefully, that continues this year.

[b-a-a-a-rclay]

I liked Walmann when he was here, but the next time he plays more than 65 games in a season will be the first time he plays more than 65 games in a season. Hard to pay 49M for a guy who has never played a full season.

[Sudsy 11]

You and I know that, but somebody in this thread doesn't really know what he thinks he knows.
He doesn't know a lot of stuff that he thinks he knows. But that's ok.

What I can't remember is whether the Blues got Lindstein or Stenberg in the NYR trade. The other came from Toronto for ROR.

[a smell of green grass]

You know how I know that I was spot on with my comments?

Not one of the Army Mom's said anything close to this...

Army signed Hofer.
Army waived Ellis.
This is because Army evaluated Hofer higher than Ellis for the long-term. GMs don't let their best talent get away. If Ellis turns out to have a significantly better career than Hofer, Army made a mistake.

Do you know why they didn't connect these dots in their reply?

It is for 2 reasons:
1) They don't trust Army's evaluation ANY MORE THAN I DO.
2) They hold Army blameless for every move he makes, and they are just setting the table now for protecting Army if Ellis turns into something special.

[somni]

You know how I know that I was spot on with my comments?

Not one of the Army Mom's said anything close to this...

Army signed Hofer.
Army waived Ellis.
This is because Army evaluated Hofer higher than Ellis for the long-term. GMs don't let their best talent get away. If Ellis turns out to have a significantly better career than Hofer, Army made a mistake.

Do you know why they didn't connect these dots in their reply?

It is for 2 reasons:
1) They don't trust Army's evaluation ANY MORE THAN I DO.
2) They hold Army blameless for every move he makes, and they are just setting the table now for protecting Army if Ellis turns into something special.

No one really wants to respond to your extreme effort to blame Army for anything, including something that may never happen. Plus, MNF is on.

What would YOU do? Right now...not 3 years from now???

Hofer is at this moment the better goalie. There is no doubt. Ellis is 25 y/o. Goalies are notoriously hard to predict, there is nothing the Blues could do.

You are creating a scenario to push your agenda. It's tiresome.

[b-a-a-a-rclay]

You and I know that, but somebody in this thread doesn't really know what he thinks he knows.
He doesn't know a lot of stuff that he thinks he knows. But that's ok.

What I can't remember is whether the Blues got Lindstein or Stenberg in the NYR trade. The other came from Toronto for ROR.

We got LIndstein from the NYR draft pick

[a smell of green grass]

You know how I know that I was spot on with my comments?

Not one of the Army Mom's said anything close to this...

Army signed Hofer.
Army waived Ellis.
This is because Army evaluated Hofer higher than Ellis for the long-term. GMs don't let their best talent get away. If Ellis turns out to have a significantly better career than Hofer, Army made a mistake.

Do you know why they didn't connect these dots in their reply?

It is for 2 reasons:
1) They don't trust Army's evaluation ANY MORE THAN I DO.
2) They hold Army blameless for every move he makes, and they are just setting the table now for protecting Army if Ellis turns into something special.

No one really wants to respond to your extreme effort to blame Army for anything, including something that may never happen. Plus, MNF is on.

What would YOU do? Right now...not 3 years from now???

Hofer is at this moment the better goalie. There is no doubt. Ellis is 25 y/o. Goalies are notoriously hard to predict, there is nothing the Blues could do.

You are creating a scenario to push your agenda. It's tiresome.

It's amazing how a GM can be so unaccountable. When a draft selection is solid, Army gets the credit. When a draft selection fails, the player gets the blame. When a player is waived, the circumstance gets the blame.

So let's update our logs for GM transactions for which there was nothing else that Army could do. He is blameless for them. Add "Ellis". He can join
- Bolduc
- Pietrangelo
- Barbashev
- Mikola
- Perunovich

[Red7]

I don’t doubt that Army and Steen, knowing the situation, didn’t try and find a deal for Ellis, but found no takers. Why make a deal when you can claim him on waivers? To be sure you got him. I’m equally sure that the Sabres reached out to the teams in front of them to gauge their interest in Ellis.

They can find a 3rd goalie. Remember Charlie Sideburns?

[b-a-a-a-rclay]

There isn't 1 GM who thinks Ellis will have a better career than Hofer. Hofer has a 35-22 record with a 2.71 gaa .907 sv % in 69 NHL games.
Ellis has a 30-26 record and a 2.82 gaa .919 sv % in 64 AHL games. He has played in 0 NHL games and he is just 3 months younger than Hofer.
By the way, NHL shooters/scorers are better than AHL shooters/scorers.

[a smell of green grass]

There isn't 1 GM who thinks Ellis will have a better career than Hofer. Hofer has a 35-22 record with a 2.71 gaa .907 sv % in 69 NHL games.
Ellis has a 30-26 record and a 2.82 gaa .919 sv % in 64 AHL games. He has played in 0 NHL games and he is just 3 months younger than Hofer.
By the way, NHL shooters/scorers are better than AHL shooters/scorers.

We only know that Army believes that.

If you and Army are so confident in Hofer then why are you worried about Army being blamed for losing Elllis in the future? 3 years from now, Army will have a gold star on his paper regarding goalie, correct?

[somni]

There isn't 1 GM who thinks Ellis will have a better career than Hofer. Hofer has a 35-22 record with a 2.71 gaa .907 sv % in 69 NHL games.
Ellis has a 30-26 record and a 2.82 gaa .919 sv % in 64 AHL games. He has played in 0 NHL games and he is just 3 months younger than Hofer.
By the way, NHL shooters/scorers are better than AHL shooters/scorers.

We only know that Army believes that.

If you and Army are so confident in Hofer then why are you worried about Army being blamed for losing Elllis in the future? 3 years from now, Army will have a gold star on his paper regarding goalie, correct?

You are purposely and expectedly being obtuse.

If you don't know the circumstances that caused a 25 y/o goalie to go on waivers, when the Blues already have one of the best goalies in the NHL and a backup (who is roughly the same age as Ellie) that is ready to take the #1 job, you lost all logic.

Not sure what you expected the Blues to do. You have offered no alterative plan.

BTW, I hope Ellis thrives. Good kid. I also hope the Blues can reclaim him once Buffalo figures out what the h#ll they are doing. Talk about a directionless front office.