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It's amazing how many nutjobs believe that junk. It's like people that actually believe the St. Louis Cardinals don’t know anything about baseball. Just weird.desertrat23 wrote: ↑18 May 2025 18:39 pmYou're just not watching the right news channel.Ike Hammett wrote: ↑18 May 2025 18:12 pmNo, downtown is not under invasion by immigrants that escaped insane asylums and Hanibal Lectur.
That first paragraph is some great fantasy material, junior. No one’s ever called you mayor of anything. Check that. Maybe when you’re at recess, you can be mayor of the playground.Ike Hammett wrote: ↑18 May 2025 18:12 pmI already go to all the games, some guy the other night called me the mayor of ballpark village I am there so much. I love Busch and for real baseball fans and people that like fun, it is baseball heaven. These loons that say downtown is unsafe and no good probably never really come down here. I live less than a mile away from the park, Enterprise center, Dome and walk around after games and nitelife all the time, no issues. These haters are more likely to get hit by a drunk driver on the highway, slip on a patch of ice and bump their head, get assulted by their brother in law, or have their teenager steal their cash or car than any random act of anything. No, downtown is not under invasion by immigrants that escaped insane asylums and Hanibal Lectur.
When school is out, weather is nicer, Dodgers, Yanks, Cubs etc come to town attendance will pick up. Listening to the best podcast in baseball, I thought Goold had some good ideas about sing a longs and changing some of the programing for a more party atmosphere. I think a .556 winning % really helps and have been loving all the bands in the Plaza after games on weekends. Propaganda and winning the messaging battle against constant negativity would definitely help.
But it's no longer a few bucks, now parking close to the stadium can get as high as 40 bucks. Those are Chicago prices not St. Louis.desertrat23 wrote: ↑18 May 2025 14:06 pmNo, it’s tragic. But is a tragic story like that limited to St. Louis? That could happen in any city in America. Are fans in other cities afraid to go downtown because of a five-year-old incident? And again, walking through the Arch grounds. At night. In a group of two. Does that sound like smart situational awareness to anyone? Of course not. Does it excuse or justify a tragic event? Not at all. But we all have a responsibility to minimize risk and be smart when in any city. Walking through a dark park after a game to save a few bucks on parking is not what I would call smart.TheJackBurton wrote: ↑18 May 2025 10:25 amMy apologies, shot and paralyzed, because that is much betterdesertrat23 wrote: ↑17 May 2025 23:22 pmI would be very interested to read a story about someone being shot and killed leaving a Cardinals game. And so would you.TheJackBurton wrote: ↑17 May 2025 22:59 pmUmmm people have been shot and killed leaving the Cards games, you know this correct? I don't blame anyone for having trepidation when it comes to going downtown.desertrat23 wrote: ↑17 May 2025 22:10 pm“Best” means “smartest,” not “most blindly loyal.”
To answer the question, if the team keeps playing well and the old, white, Safe Charles crowd realizes that traveling downtown isn’t an immediate death sentence, the stands will fill.
Until they make a safety a top priority I don't blame anyone not wanting to go.
Again, parking garage attached to the stadium. I promise you’ll live through the experience and no homeless person will talk to you for more than a second or two.
https://www.foxsports.com/stories/other ... inals-game
oh my gosh those suburban [kittycats] right?Midrange Jay wrote: ↑18 May 2025 16:28 pmAnd mysteriously it did not affect attendance for the next 4 years. It took multiple bad teams and the ownership cutting 20% of the payroll with no free agent additions. It wasn’t about suburban panty waste.desertrat23 wrote: ↑18 May 2025 14:06 pmNo, it’s tragic. But is a tragic story like that limited to St. Louis? That could happen in any city in America. Are fans in other cities afraid to go downtown because of a five-year-old incident? And again, walking through the Arch grounds. At night. In a group of two. Does that sound like smart situational awareness to anyone? Of course not. Does it excuse or justify a tragic event? Not at all. But we all have a responsibility to minimize risk and be smart when in any city. Walking through a dark park after a game to save a few bucks on parking is not what I would call smart.TheJackBurton wrote: ↑18 May 2025 10:25 amMy apologies, shot and paralyzed, because that is much betterdesertrat23 wrote: ↑17 May 2025 23:22 pmI would be very interested to read a story about someone being shot and killed leaving a Cardinals game. And so would you.TheJackBurton wrote: ↑17 May 2025 22:59 pmUmmm people have been shot and killed leaving the Cards games, you know this correct? I don't blame anyone for having trepidation when it comes to going downtown.desertrat23 wrote: ↑17 May 2025 22:10 pm“Best” means “smartest,” not “most blindly loyal.”
To answer the question, if the team keeps playing well and the old, white, Safe Charles crowd realizes that traveling downtown isn’t an immediate death sentence, the stands will fill.
Until they make a safety a top priority I don't blame anyone not wanting to go.
Again, parking garage attached to the stadium. I promise you’ll live through the experience and no homeless person will talk to you for more than a second or two.
https://www.foxsports.com/stories/other ... inals-game
Yes, downtown is a literal cornucopia of safety and responsibility.Ike Hammett wrote: ↑18 May 2025 18:12 pmI already go to all the games, some guy the other night called me the mayor of ballpark village I am there so much. I love Busch and for real baseball fans and people that like fun, it is baseball heaven. These loons that say downtown is unsafe and no good probably never really come down here. I live less than a mile away from the park, Enterprise center, Dome and walk around after games and nitelife all the time, no issues. These haters are more likely to get hit by a drunk driver on the highway, slip on a patch of ice and bump their head, get assulted by their brother in law, or have their teenager steal their cash or car than any random act of anything. No, downtown is not under invasion by immigrants that escaped insane asylums and Hanibal Lectur.
When school is out, weather is nicer, Dodgers, Yanks, Cubs etc come to town attendance will pick up. Listening to the best podcast in baseball, I thought Goold had some good ideas about sing a longs and changing some of the programing for a more party atmosphere. I think a .556 winning % really helps and have been loving all the bands in the Plaza after games on weekends. Propaganda and winning the messaging battle against constant negativity would definitely help.
What statistics? Crime has been steadily going down.TheJackBurton wrote: ↑18 May 2025 21:16 pmYes, downtown is a literal cornucopia of safety and responsibility.Ike Hammett wrote: ↑18 May 2025 18:12 pmI already go to all the games, some guy the other night called me the mayor of ballpark village I am there so much. I love Busch and for real baseball fans and people that like fun, it is baseball heaven. These loons that say downtown is unsafe and no good probably never really come down here. I live less than a mile away from the park, Enterprise center, Dome and walk around after games and nitelife all the time, no issues. These haters are more likely to get hit by a drunk driver on the highway, slip on a patch of ice and bump their head, get assulted by their brother in law, or have their teenager steal their cash or car than any random act of anything. No, downtown is not under invasion by immigrants that escaped insane asylums and Hanibal Lectur.
When school is out, weather is nicer, Dodgers, Yanks, Cubs etc come to town attendance will pick up. Listening to the best podcast in baseball, I thought Goold had some good ideas about sing a longs and changing some of the programing for a more party atmosphere. I think a .556 winning % really helps and have been loving all the bands in the Plaza after games on weekends. Propaganda and winning the messaging battle against constant negativity would definitely help.
Just don't tell the crime statistics that.
Nobody said it was a cornucopia of safety and responsibility. But chances are very low that if you stick to crowds around the ballpark you’ll run into a problem. If you’re too cheap to pay $40 for parking and you want to trek all over in the dark, those chances increase. But hey, scared white olds gonna scared white old…TheJackBurton wrote: ↑18 May 2025 21:16 pmYes, downtown is a literal cornucopia of safety and responsibility.Ike Hammett wrote: ↑18 May 2025 18:12 pmI already go to all the games, some guy the other night called me the mayor of ballpark village I am there so much. I love Busch and for real baseball fans and people that like fun, it is baseball heaven. These loons that say downtown is unsafe and no good probably never really come down here. I live less than a mile away from the park, Enterprise center, Dome and walk around after games and nitelife all the time, no issues. These haters are more likely to get hit by a drunk driver on the highway, slip on a patch of ice and bump their head, get assulted by their brother in law, or have their teenager steal their cash or car than any random act of anything. No, downtown is not under invasion by immigrants that escaped insane asylums and Hanibal Lectur.
When school is out, weather is nicer, Dodgers, Yanks, Cubs etc come to town attendance will pick up. Listening to the best podcast in baseball, I thought Goold had some good ideas about sing a longs and changing some of the programing for a more party atmosphere. I think a .556 winning % really helps and have been loving all the bands in the Plaza after games on weekends. Propaganda and winning the messaging battle against constant negativity would definitely help.
Just don't tell the crime statistics that.
There are lots of reasons not to want to go to downtown St. Louis.Ike Hammett wrote: ↑18 May 2025 21:40 pmWhat statistics? Crime has been steadily going down.TheJackBurton wrote: ↑18 May 2025 21:16 pmYes, downtown is a literal cornucopia of safety and responsibility.Ike Hammett wrote: ↑18 May 2025 18:12 pmI already go to all the games, some guy the other night called me the mayor of ballpark village I am there so much. I love Busch and for real baseball fans and people that like fun, it is baseball heaven. These loons that say downtown is unsafe and no good probably never really come down here. I live less than a mile away from the park, Enterprise center, Dome and walk around after games and nitelife all the time, no issues. These haters are more likely to get hit by a drunk driver on the highway, slip on a patch of ice and bump their head, get assulted by their brother in law, or have their teenager steal their cash or car than any random act of anything. No, downtown is not under invasion by immigrants that escaped insane asylums and Hanibal Lectur.
When school is out, weather is nicer, Dodgers, Yanks, Cubs etc come to town attendance will pick up. Listening to the best podcast in baseball, I thought Goold had some good ideas about sing a longs and changing some of the programing for a more party atmosphere. I think a .556 winning % really helps and have been loving all the bands in the Plaza after games on weekends. Propaganda and winning the messaging battle against constant negativity would definitely help.
Just don't tell the crime statistics that.
https://slmpd.org/2025-st-louis-city-co ... nce%202005.
Can you show me all this crime, death and mayhem taking place in my neighborhood, because I don't see it. I literally bet your odds of getting stuck by lightning or a foul ball are greater than dying at a Cardnials game.
It’s a major American city, not Mayberry in the 1960s. There’s going to be crime. There’s going to be homeless people. There’s going to be people that don’t look like you and make less money than you and people who are younger than you. A diverse (gasp!) group of people. I don’t understand why anyone thinks it’s ridiculous and unfair that they have to use common sense while maneuvering around any major American city.11WSChamps wrote: ↑18 May 2025 21:56 pm Too bad the qualifications for feeling safe is walking with a "crowd" of people.
Sounds real comforting.
If I go to game now I park at a Soulard restaurant and ride the shuttle back and forth to the stadium which drops you off literally just several feet from the gate. Tip the driver and everyone is happy.
Remember seeing two cars being tipped over by a mob after games in my youth near the ballpark. That was enough for me.
Why so defensive?desertrat23 wrote: ↑18 May 2025 22:27 pmIt’s a major American city, not Mayberry in the 1960s. There’s going to be crime. There’s going to be homeless people. There’s going to be people that don’t look like you and make less money than you and people who are younger than you. A diverse (gasp!) group of people. I don’t understand why anyone thinks it’s ridiculous and unfair that they have to use common sense while maneuvering around any major American city.11WSChamps wrote: ↑18 May 2025 21:56 pm Too bad the qualifications for feeling safe is walking with a "crowd" of people.
Sounds real comforting.
If I go to game now I park at a Soulard restaurant and ride the shuttle back and forth to the stadium which drops you off literally just several feet from the gate. Tip the driver and everyone is happy.
Remember seeing two cars being tipped over by a mob after games in my youth near the ballpark. That was enough for me.
Does STL (especially downtown) have problems? Hell yes. Is it patently unsafe to go to a game? Hell no. But if you’d rather cling to your fear and distrust, have at it.
Myth.CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑18 May 2025 08:24 amShady-Guy, is that you? Just be yourself buddy. You’re an odd duck but we don’t hate you. Except maybe Scouty.Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑18 May 2025 06:05 amWell Marshall...I'd say three key ingredients here...
1. A return to winning baseball.
2. Better weather.
3. Summer vacation (kids out of school).
Cardinal fans not BFIB. Maybe best fans “of” baseball. No one appreciates hard-nosed and fundamentally sound play and recognizes when it’s not than STL fans.
BFIB? Hate to say it but probably Cub fans. No matter how bad they are they pack the house. You don’t earn the name “Loveable Losers” for nothing.
Fair enough. I’d argue the reasons behind the choice are based in fear, but fair enough.11WSChamps wrote: ↑19 May 2025 01:19 amWhy so defensive?desertrat23 wrote: ↑18 May 2025 22:27 pmIt’s a major American city, not Mayberry in the 1960s. There’s going to be crime. There’s going to be homeless people. There’s going to be people that don’t look like you and make less money than you and people who are younger than you. A diverse (gasp!) group of people. I don’t understand why anyone thinks it’s ridiculous and unfair that they have to use common sense while maneuvering around any major American city.11WSChamps wrote: ↑18 May 2025 21:56 pm Too bad the qualifications for feeling safe is walking with a "crowd" of people.
Sounds real comforting.
If I go to game now I park at a Soulard restaurant and ride the shuttle back and forth to the stadium which drops you off literally just several feet from the gate. Tip the driver and everyone is happy.
Remember seeing two cars being tipped over by a mob after games in my youth near the ballpark. That was enough for me.
Does STL (especially downtown) have problems? Hell yes. Is it patently unsafe to go to a game? Hell no. But if you’d rather cling to your fear and distrust, have at it.
I'm just mentioning a few experiences. Get over it.
That's why I mentioned what I thought was a common sense way to go as an example.
If people don't want to go to the city they shouldn't be put into some category as some here want to .
I've worked and lived in the city before. You guys think a diverse group of people can't live outside the city? Of course they do.
Has nothing to do with "fear" it's a choice.