What will it take to fill the stands?

[Ike Hammett]

What will it take for the best fans in baseball to return? 1st place in the Cental by June? 10 games over .500? 15 games?

No, downtown is not under invasion by immigrants that escaped insane asylums and Hanibal Lectur.

You're just not watching the right news channel.

It's amazing how many nutjobs believe that junk. It's like people that actually believe the St. Louis Cardinals don’t know anything about baseball. Just weird.

[peterman'srealitytour]

What will it take for the best fans in baseball to return? 1st place in the Cental by June? 10 games over .500? 15 games?

I already go to all the games, some guy the other night called me the mayor of ballpark village I am there so much. I love Busch and for real baseball fans and people that like fun, it is baseball heaven. These loons that say downtown is unsafe and no good probably never really come down here. I live less than a mile away from the park, Enterprise center, Dome and walk around after games and nitelife all the time, no issues. These haters are more likely to get hit by a drunk driver on the highway, slip on a patch of ice and bump their head, get assulted by their brother in law, or have their teenager steal their cash or car than any random act of anything. No, downtown is not under invasion by immigrants that escaped insane asylums and Hanibal Lectur.

When school is out, weather is nicer, Dodgers, Yanks, Cubs etc come to town attendance will pick up. Listening to the best podcast in baseball, I thought Goold had some good ideas about sing a longs and changing some of the programing for a more party atmosphere. I think a .556 winning % really helps and have been loving all the bands in the Plaza after games on weekends. Propaganda and winning the messaging battle against constant negativity would definitely help.

That first paragraph is some great fantasy material, junior. No one’s ever called you mayor of anything. Check that. Maybe when you’re at recess, you can be mayor of the playground.

[TheJackBurton]

What will it take for the best fans in baseball to return? 1st place in the Cental by June? 10 games over .500? 15 games?

I would assume the best fans in baseball would still be with their team, thick and thin.

Right?

“Best” means “smartest,” not “most blindly loyal.”

To answer the question, if the team keeps playing well and the old, white, Safe Charles crowd realizes that traveling downtown isn’t an immediate death sentence, the stands will fill.

Ummm people have been shot and killed leaving the Cards games, you know this correct? I don't blame anyone for having trepidation when it comes to going downtown.

Until they make a safety a top priority I don't blame anyone not wanting to go.

I would be very interested to read a story about someone being shot and killed leaving a Cardinals game. And so would you.

Again, parking garage attached to the stadium. I promise you’ll live through the experience and no homeless person will talk to you for more than a second or two.

My apologies, shot and paralyzed, because that is much better

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/other ... inals-game

No, it’s tragic. But is a tragic story like that limited to St. Louis? That could happen in any city in America. Are fans in other cities afraid to go downtown because of a five-year-old incident? And again, walking through the Arch grounds. At night. In a group of two. Does that sound like smart situational awareness to anyone? Of course not. Does it excuse or justify a tragic event? Not at all. But we all have a responsibility to minimize risk and be smart when in any city. Walking through a dark park after a game to save a few bucks on parking is not what I would call smart.

But it's no longer a few bucks, now parking close to the stadium can get as high as 40 bucks. Those are Chicago prices not St. Louis.

How long ago it happened isn't the determining factor, it happened, they have done very little to ensure it won't happen again, and the additional issues they have had downtown since prove that. From the volleyball player getting hit by the felon to multiple people getting essentially executed in broad daylight the perception is what it is.

Until the Mayor and the Alderman do everything in their power to assure that if you drive downtown your car will be in tact when you get back and you can walk with just one other person around the fairgrounds of one of the most famous landmarks in the world safely, downtown is going to suffer for it.

[TheJackBurton]

What will it take for the best fans in baseball to return? 1st place in the Cental by June? 10 games over .500? 15 games?

I would assume the best fans in baseball would still be with their team, thick and thin.

Right?

“Best” means “smartest,” not “most blindly loyal.”

To answer the question, if the team keeps playing well and the old, white, Safe Charles crowd realizes that traveling downtown isn’t an immediate death sentence, the stands will fill.

Ummm people have been shot and killed leaving the Cards games, you know this correct? I don't blame anyone for having trepidation when it comes to going downtown.

Until they make a safety a top priority I don't blame anyone not wanting to go.

I would be very interested to read a story about someone being shot and killed leaving a Cardinals game. And so would you.

Again, parking garage attached to the stadium. I promise you’ll live through the experience and no homeless person will talk to you for more than a second or two.

My apologies, shot and paralyzed, because that is much better

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/other ... inals-game

No, it’s tragic. But is a tragic story like that limited to St. Louis? That could happen in any city in America. Are fans in other cities afraid to go downtown because of a five-year-old incident? And again, walking through the Arch grounds. At night. In a group of two. Does that sound like smart situational awareness to anyone? Of course not. Does it excuse or justify a tragic event? Not at all. But we all have a responsibility to minimize risk and be smart when in any city. Walking through a dark park after a game to save a few bucks on parking is not what I would call smart.

And mysteriously it did not affect attendance for the next 4 years. It took multiple bad teams and the ownership cutting 20% of the payroll with no free agent additions. It wasn’t about suburban panty waste.

oh my gosh those suburban [kittycats] right?

No, that was only the event, and yes many people did still attend.

The downtown as a whole however has multiple businesses leave, money not come back, development slowed, and of course the continued top 5 ranking of most dangerous city in the country (yes I know a lot of it has to do with the median count)

Now if I gave you the option of living in North St. Louis or just North County, would you be a panty waste for choosing North County or just making a safer more logical choice?

[TheJackBurton]

What will it take for the best fans in baseball to return? 1st place in the Cental by June? 10 games over .500? 15 games?

I already go to all the games, some guy the other night called me the mayor of ballpark village I am there so much. I love Busch and for real baseball fans and people that like fun, it is baseball heaven. These loons that say downtown is unsafe and no good probably never really come down here. I live less than a mile away from the park, Enterprise center, Dome and walk around after games and nitelife all the time, no issues. These haters are more likely to get hit by a drunk driver on the highway, slip on a patch of ice and bump their head, get assulted by their brother in law, or have their teenager steal their cash or car than any random act of anything. No, downtown is not under invasion by immigrants that escaped insane asylums and Hanibal Lectur.

When school is out, weather is nicer, Dodgers, Yanks, Cubs etc come to town attendance will pick up. Listening to the best podcast in baseball, I thought Goold had some good ideas about sing a longs and changing some of the programing for a more party atmosphere. I think a .556 winning % really helps and have been loving all the bands in the Plaza after games on weekends. Propaganda and winning the messaging battle against constant negativity would definitely help.

Yes, downtown is a literal cornucopia of safety and responsibility.

Just don't tell the crime statistics that.

[Ike Hammett]

What will it take for the best fans in baseball to return? 1st place in the Cental by June? 10 games over .500? 15 games?

I already go to all the games, some guy the other night called me the mayor of ballpark village I am there so much. I love Busch and for real baseball fans and people that like fun, it is baseball heaven. These loons that say downtown is unsafe and no good probably never really come down here. I live less than a mile away from the park, Enterprise center, Dome and walk around after games and nitelife all the time, no issues. These haters are more likely to get hit by a drunk driver on the highway, slip on a patch of ice and bump their head, get assulted by their brother in law, or have their teenager steal their cash or car than any random act of anything. No, downtown is not under invasion by immigrants that escaped insane asylums and Hanibal Lectur.

When school is out, weather is nicer, Dodgers, Yanks, Cubs etc come to town attendance will pick up. Listening to the best podcast in baseball, I thought Goold had some good ideas about sing a longs and changing some of the programing for a more party atmosphere. I think a .556 winning % really helps and have been loving all the bands in the Plaza after games on weekends. Propaganda and winning the messaging battle against constant negativity would definitely help.

Yes, downtown is a literal cornucopia of safety and responsibility.

Just don't tell the crime statistics that.

What statistics? Crime has been steadily going down.

https://slmpd.org/2025-st-louis-city-co ... nce%202005.

Can you show me all this crime, death and mayhem taking place in my neighborhood, because I don't see it. I literally bet your odds of getting stuck by lightning or a foul ball are greater than dying at a Cardnials game.

[Dicktar2023]

This organization basically dared the fans to stop showing up. Then Mo spent months saying the only thing he could think of to improve the club was to give away an all-star player--and then he failed to do that.

I dunno...maybe some people aren't willing to buy in already in May.

Mo isn't making any sudden moves until the trade deadline. Why should we?

[desertrat23]

What will it take for the best fans in baseball to return? 1st place in the Cental by June? 10 games over .500? 15 games?

I already go to all the games, some guy the other night called me the mayor of ballpark village I am there so much. I love Busch and for real baseball fans and people that like fun, it is baseball heaven. These loons that say downtown is unsafe and no good probably never really come down here. I live less than a mile away from the park, Enterprise center, Dome and walk around after games and nitelife all the time, no issues. These haters are more likely to get hit by a drunk driver on the highway, slip on a patch of ice and bump their head, get assulted by their brother in law, or have their teenager steal their cash or car than any random act of anything. No, downtown is not under invasion by immigrants that escaped insane asylums and Hanibal Lectur.

When school is out, weather is nicer, Dodgers, Yanks, Cubs etc come to town attendance will pick up. Listening to the best podcast in baseball, I thought Goold had some good ideas about sing a longs and changing some of the programing for a more party atmosphere. I think a .556 winning % really helps and have been loving all the bands in the Plaza after games on weekends. Propaganda and winning the messaging battle against constant negativity would definitely help.

Yes, downtown is a literal cornucopia of safety and responsibility.

Just don't tell the crime statistics that.

Nobody said it was a cornucopia of safety and responsibility. But chances are very low that if you stick to crowds around the ballpark you’ll run into a problem. If you’re too cheap to pay $40 for parking and you want to trek all over in the dark, those chances increase. But hey, scared white olds gonna scared white old…

[Dicktar2023]

What will it take for the best fans in baseball to return? 1st place in the Cental by June? 10 games over .500? 15 games?

I already go to all the games, some guy the other night called me the mayor of ballpark village I am there so much. I love Busch and for real baseball fans and people that like fun, it is baseball heaven. These loons that say downtown is unsafe and no good probably never really come down here. I live less than a mile away from the park, Enterprise center, Dome and walk around after games and nitelife all the time, no issues. These haters are more likely to get hit by a drunk driver on the highway, slip on a patch of ice and bump their head, get assulted by their brother in law, or have their teenager steal their cash or car than any random act of anything. No, downtown is not under invasion by immigrants that escaped insane asylums and Hanibal Lectur.

When school is out, weather is nicer, Dodgers, Yanks, Cubs etc come to town attendance will pick up. Listening to the best podcast in baseball, I thought Goold had some good ideas about sing a longs and changing some of the programing for a more party atmosphere. I think a .556 winning % really helps and have been loving all the bands in the Plaza after games on weekends. Propaganda and winning the messaging battle against constant negativity would definitely help.

Yes, downtown is a literal cornucopia of safety and responsibility.

Just don't tell the crime statistics that.

What statistics? Crime has been steadily going down.

https://slmpd.org/2025-st-louis-city-co ... nce%202005.

Can you show me all this crime, death and mayhem taking place in my neighborhood, because I don't see it. I literally bet your odds of getting stuck by lightning or a foul ball are greater than dying at a Cardnials game.

There are lots of reasons not to want to go to downtown St. Louis.

We overlook these reasons when the teams are good.

[11WSChamps]

Too bad the qualifications for feeling safe is walking with a "crowd" of people.

Sounds real comforting.

If I go to game now I park at a Soulard restaurant and ride the shuttle back and forth to the stadium which drops you off literally just several feet from the gate. Tip the driver and everyone is happy.

Remember seeing two cars being tipped over by a mob after games in my youth near the ballpark. That was enough for me.

[desertrat23]

Too bad the qualifications for feeling safe is walking with a "crowd" of people.

Sounds real comforting.

If I go to game now I park at a Soulard restaurant and ride the shuttle back and forth to the stadium which drops you off literally just several feet from the gate. Tip the driver and everyone is happy.

Remember seeing two cars being tipped over by a mob after games in my youth near the ballpark. That was enough for me.

It’s a major American city, not Mayberry in the 1960s. There’s going to be crime. There’s going to be homeless people. There’s going to be people that don’t look like you and make less money than you and people who are younger than you. A diverse (gasp!) group of people. I don’t understand why anyone thinks it’s ridiculous and unfair that they have to use common sense while maneuvering around any major American city.

Does STL (especially downtown) have problems? Hell yes. Is it patently unsafe to go to a game? Hell no. But if you’d rather cling to your fear and distrust, have at it.

[11WSChamps]

Too bad the qualifications for feeling safe is walking with a "crowd" of people.

Sounds real comforting.

If I go to game now I park at a Soulard restaurant and ride the shuttle back and forth to the stadium which drops you off literally just several feet from the gate. Tip the driver and everyone is happy.

Remember seeing two cars being tipped over by a mob after games in my youth near the ballpark. That was enough for me.

It’s a major American city, not Mayberry in the 1960s. There’s going to be crime. There’s going to be homeless people. There’s going to be people that don’t look like you and make less money than you and people who are younger than you. A diverse (gasp!) group of people. I don’t understand why anyone thinks it’s ridiculous and unfair that they have to use common sense while maneuvering around any major American city.

Does STL (especially downtown) have problems? Hell yes. Is it patently unsafe to go to a game? Hell no. But if you’d rather cling to your fear and distrust, have at it.

Why so defensive?

I'm just mentioning a few experiences. Get over it.

That's why I mentioned what I thought was a common sense way to go as an example.

If people don't want to go to the city they shouldn't be put into some category as some here want to .

I've worked and lived in the city before. You guys think a diverse group of people can't live outside the city? Of course they do.

Has nothing to do with "fear" it's a choice.

[12xu]

More concerts like Jellyroll and Post Malone!

[12xu]

What will it take for the best fans in baseball to return? 1st place in the Cental by June? 10 games over .500? 15 games?

Well Marshall...I'd say three key ingredients here...

1. A return to winning baseball.
2. Better weather.
3. Summer vacation (kids out of school).

Shady-Guy, is that you? Just be yourself buddy. You’re an odd duck but we don’t hate you. Except maybe Scouty.

Cardinal fans not BFIB. Maybe best fans “of” baseball. No one appreciates hard-nosed and fundamentally sound play and recognizes when it’s not than STL fans.

BFIB? Hate to say it but probably Cub fans. No matter how bad they are they pack the house. You don’t earn the name “Loveable Losers” for nothing.

Myth.
https://www.baseball-almanac.com/teams/cubsatte.shtml

[desertrat23]

Too bad the qualifications for feeling safe is walking with a "crowd" of people.

Sounds real comforting.

If I go to game now I park at a Soulard restaurant and ride the shuttle back and forth to the stadium which drops you off literally just several feet from the gate. Tip the driver and everyone is happy.

Remember seeing two cars being tipped over by a mob after games in my youth near the ballpark. That was enough for me.

It’s a major American city, not Mayberry in the 1960s. There’s going to be crime. There’s going to be homeless people. There’s going to be people that don’t look like you and make less money than you and people who are younger than you. A diverse (gasp!) group of people. I don’t understand why anyone thinks it’s ridiculous and unfair that they have to use common sense while maneuvering around any major American city.

Does STL (especially downtown) have problems? Hell yes. Is it patently unsafe to go to a game? Hell no. But if you’d rather cling to your fear and distrust, have at it.

Why so defensive?

I'm just mentioning a few experiences. Get over it.

That's why I mentioned what I thought was a common sense way to go as an example.

If people don't want to go to the city they shouldn't be put into some category as some here want to .

I've worked and lived in the city before. You guys think a diverse group of people can't live outside the city? Of course they do.

Has nothing to do with "fear" it's a choice.

Fair enough. I’d argue the reasons behind the choice are based in fear, but fair enough.

[sikeston bulldog2]

What gets them back school is over and Detroit in town. I bet there’s a crowd.