Liberatore for Arozarena

[Bomber1]

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At the moment Arozarena is producing more. Liberatore is 5 years younger which is the only advantage I see to the trade.

Just my take on this, and I am posting this as the longest standing critic of Mo on this board.

1. We all know Arozarena was deemed expendable by the organization because of the viral stream which embarrassed the organization.
2. Mo is gone. It’s time to turn the page on his past mistakes and look at what they are building towards.
3. This is one thing I will defend Mo on, when he made the trade he had no way of knowing that a pandemic was going to wipe out the minor league season and Libby would be out for a year before he could start developing.
4. Teams are going to win and lose trades, dwelling on them is pointless.
5. Arozarena is no longer a Ray, it’s not likely they would have kept him here,
6. The Arozarena trade, Alcantara trade and several other moves were key in exposing severe issues in player development and player roster decisions, this organization needed those desperately exposed so they could be corrected. Mo wasn’t going to be the person to fix them.

John Rooney mentioned the trade on a recent broadcast saying he thought most fans now would agree the Cardinals got the better of the deal. Both players are still in MLB and Liberatore is in the Cardinals rotation.

If Rooney said that, he’s a bigger shill than we already knew.

That take is ridiculous.

Rooney is fantastic. One of the best baseball announcers I've heard. He did say that in the recent series. At one time the trade looked bad but now most fans probably would think it's a good deal. As I said in the OP age is the big difference.

Rooney spouting what you claim he said (I did not hear it) is absolute proof that he is a shill.
Nobody with a functioning brain thinks the Cardinals won that trade.
And who gives a (bleep) about “the big age difference”?
Answer: nobody except you.
Arozarena is still playing circles around your man crush Liberatore.

[ecleme22]

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.301 avg .831 OPS

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2-2 4.40 ERA

At the moment Arozarena is producing more. Liberatore is 5 years younger which is the only advantage I see to the trade.

We are still doing this? it's beyond time to move on. There's already been 4,368 threads on this. we don't need a 4,369

It's relevant since both are still active.

What is relevant about Seattle needing to proffer a QO or wave good bye bye to Arozarena.... and the Cardinals having contract control thru 2029 of Libby.

Or if, on the Cardinals, Randy could’ve helped the 2020-2025 teams out, then traded last offseason for a return maybe as good as Donovan’s… for players better than Libby.

Gee, you convinced me. Make it happen.

You’re a little butt sore because you lost this argument a long time ago.

Now you’re clinging to Libby’s years of control left as a victory.

But if that’s your measuring stick, we could have Randy now, and trade him for player(s) with FULL team control.

Of course, I am butt sore because some anonymous poster declared victory on a trade argument. You gotta work a lot harder to find anything that bothers me less.

You have already claimed defeat if the only thing you're clinging to is Libby's years of control.

[ScotchMIrish]

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.301 avg .831 OPS

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... ma01.shtml

2-2 4.40 ERA

At the moment Arozarena is producing more. Liberatore is 5 years younger which is the only advantage I see to the trade.

Just my take on this, and I am posting this as the longest standing critic of Mo on this board.

1. We all know Arozarena was deemed expendable by the organization because of the viral stream which embarrassed the organization.
2. Mo is gone. It’s time to turn the page on his past mistakes and look at what they are building towards.
3. This is one thing I will defend Mo on, when he made the trade he had no way of knowing that a pandemic was going to wipe out the minor league season and Libby would be out for a year before he could start developing.
4. Teams are going to win and lose trades, dwelling on them is pointless.
5. Arozarena is no longer a Ray, it’s not likely they would have kept him here,
6. The Arozarena trade, Alcantara trade and several other moves were key in exposing severe issues in player development and player roster decisions, this organization needed those desperately exposed so they could be corrected. Mo wasn’t going to be the person to fix them.

John Rooney mentioned the trade on a recent broadcast saying he thought most fans now would agree the Cardinals got the better of the deal. Both players are still in MLB and Liberatore is in the Cardinals rotation.

If Rooney said that, he’s a bigger shill than we already knew.

That take is ridiculous.

Rooney is fantastic. One of the best baseball announcers I've heard. He did say that in the recent series. At one time the trade looked bad but now most fans probably would think it's a good deal. As I said in the OP age is the big difference.

Rooney spouting what you claim he said (I did not hear it) is absolute proof that he is a shill.
Nobody with a functioning brain thinks the Cardinals won that trade.
And who gives a (bleep) about “the big age difference”?
Answer: nobody except you.
Arozarena is still playing circles around your man crush Liberatore.

Career ERA in the 7th inning of 0.67

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Aroz is having a monster season so far. 302 ba and 860 ops.

[Bomber1]

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... ra01.shtml

.301 avg .831 OPS

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... ma01.shtml

2-2 4.40 ERA

At the moment Arozarena is producing more. Liberatore is 5 years younger which is the only advantage I see to the trade.

Just my take on this, and I am posting this as the longest standing critic of Mo on this board.

1. We all know Arozarena was deemed expendable by the organization because of the viral stream which embarrassed the organization.
2. Mo is gone. It’s time to turn the page on his past mistakes and look at what they are building towards.
3. This is one thing I will defend Mo on, when he made the trade he had no way of knowing that a pandemic was going to wipe out the minor league season and Libby would be out for a year before he could start developing.
4. Teams are going to win and lose trades, dwelling on them is pointless.
5. Arozarena is no longer a Ray, it’s not likely they would have kept him here,
6. The Arozarena trade, Alcantara trade and several other moves were key in exposing severe issues in player development and player roster decisions, this organization needed those desperately exposed so they could be corrected. Mo wasn’t going to be the person to fix them.

You make some good points, but #3 is not one of them.

Every minor leaguer lost a year of development; certainly not unique to Liberatore, and not a good excuse. It was 6 years ago.

It’s time he starts pitching better, and going deeper into games.

[ecleme22]

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... ra01.shtml

.301 avg .831 OPS

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... ma01.shtml

2-2 4.40 ERA

At the moment Arozarena is producing more. Liberatore is 5 years younger which is the only advantage I see to the trade.

Just my take on this, and I am posting this as the longest standing critic of Mo on this board.

1. We all know Arozarena was deemed expendable by the organization because of the viral stream which embarrassed the organization.
2. Mo is gone. It’s time to turn the page on his past mistakes and look at what they are building towards.
3. This is one thing I will defend Mo on, when he made the trade he had no way of knowing that a pandemic was going to wipe out the minor league season and Libby would be out for a year before he could start developing.
4. Teams are going to win and lose trades, dwelling on them is pointless.
5. Arozarena is no longer a Ray, it’s not likely they would have kept him here,
6. The Arozarena trade, Alcantara trade and several other moves were key in exposing severe issues in player development and player roster decisions, this organization needed those desperately exposed so they could be corrected. Mo wasn’t going to be the person to fix them.

Addressing your points...

1. The 2019 Cards needed OF help. Arozarena was the best hitter in AAA. They brought up Thomas and Edman who both started a lot (before LT's injury). Arozarena was brought up AFTER them despite having a great AAA season. Coupled with Randy's lack of playing time after his MLB promotion, it's pretty obvious that he didn't have Mo's heart WAY before any video was leaked. RA got traded, primarily, for the same reason Garcia was traded and Ozuna was allowed to walk: MO LIKED OTHER OPTIONS BETTER AND WANTED TO CLEAR ROOM. If you disagree, then let me ask you, did Mo 'replace' the roster talent left in the Randy trade? No.
2. Cool.
3. The pandemic was 6 years ago.
4. Teams do 'lose' trades. The Cards definitely lost this one. But what I've brought up a bunch is just how odd this trade was. You are trading an MLB ready talent with FULL TEAM CONTROL and just lead AAA in hitting for a prospect who won't be ready in at least 2 years. I can't think of another team doing that, especially one that just went to the NLCS and should be looking to reload. If you're going to trade Randy, shouldn't it be for an mlber who can help the team?
5. That's silly to assume. And even if it's true, the Cards would get a return for him...
6. Yep, it definitely exposed inferior talent evaluation.