Liberatore for Arozarena

[Olemiss540]

If I want to look at our last good team 2022, I'd rather have Alcantara on that team than Arozarena. If we're complaining about one or the other.

How about Alcantara and Zac heading out staff for a couple of years.....

[C-Unit]

If I want to look at our last good team 2022, I'd rather have Alcantara on that team than Arozarena. If we're complaining about one or the other.

Well those two players have nothing to do with each other.

I’d like to have both in 2022, but the OF was (bleep) that year, so Randy would’ve been huge

Yes they do. They both were traded away and then did well on their next team.

Our outfield in 2022 posted the 5th highest fWar (10.5) out of 30 clubs. So no the outfield was not bleep. We had the 4th highest position player War (31.7) and our team wRC+ was 112 which was 7th best out of 30.

Our pitching on the other hand was 16th in team War. Sandy Alcantara was the NL Cy Young award winner in 2022.

[hugeCardfan]

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... ra01.shtml

.301 avg .831 OPS

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2-2 4.40 ERA

At the moment Arozarena is producing more. Liberatore is 5 years younger which is the only advantage I see to the trade.

We are still doing this? it's beyond time to move on. There's already been 4,368 threads on this. we don't need a 4,369

It's relevant since both are still active.

What is relevant about Seattle needing to proffer a QO or wave good bye bye to Arozarena.... and the Cardinals having contract control thru 2029 of Libby.

[C-Unit]

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... ra01.shtml

.301 avg .831 OPS

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... ma01.shtml

2-2 4.40 ERA

At the moment Arozarena is producing more. Liberatore is 5 years younger which is the only advantage I see to the trade.

We are still doing this? it's beyond time to move on. There's already been 4,368 threads on this. we don't need a 4,369

It's relevant since both are still active.

What is relevant about Seattle needing to proffer a QO or wave good bye bye to Arozarena.... and the Cardinals having contract control thru 2029 of Libby.

If they end up trading Liberatore closer to his free agency time, it would be interesting to see what we get back. It might start a trade chain similar to how we were able to trace the players involved in the Edmonds trade all the way up to Dominic Leone.

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

Its a bad trade current state, but if they can move Libby for a gem prospect the scales could slide towards the Cardinals. But essentially the Cardinals traded away a 20 WAR player for a replacement level player.

[ecleme22]

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... ra01.shtml

.301 avg .831 OPS

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... ma01.shtml

2-2 4.40 ERA

At the moment Arozarena is producing more. Liberatore is 5 years younger which is the only advantage I see to the trade.

We are still doing this? it's beyond time to move on. There's already been 4,368 threads on this. we don't need a 4,369

It's relevant since both are still active.

What is relevant about Seattle needing to proffer a QO or wave good bye bye to Arozarena.... and the Cardinals having contract control thru 2029 of Libby.

Or if, on the Cardinals, Randy could’ve helped the 2020-2025 teams out, then traded last offseason for a return maybe as good as Donovan’s… for players better than Libby.

[Cusecards]

Let's revisit the Brock-Broglio trade in this thread as well, or should I start a separate thread?

How about S. Carlton for R Wise?

(bleep) Rock you beat me to it!
Still (upset) about that one!!!!!!!!

[C-Unit]

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... ra01.shtml

.301 avg .831 OPS

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... ma01.shtml

2-2 4.40 ERA

At the moment Arozarena is producing more. Liberatore is 5 years younger which is the only advantage I see to the trade.

We are still doing this? it's beyond time to move on. There's already been 4,368 threads on this. we don't need a 4,369

It's relevant since both are still active.

What is relevant about Seattle needing to proffer a QO or wave good bye bye to Arozarena.... and the Cardinals having contract control thru 2029 of Libby.

Or if, on the Cardinals, Randy could’ve helped the 2020-2025 teams out, then traded last offseason for a return maybe as good as Donovan’s… for players better than Libby.

And then what could they have traded O'Neill for

[ecleme22]

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... ra01.shtml

.301 avg .831 OPS

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... ma01.shtml

2-2 4.40 ERA

At the moment Arozarena is producing more. Liberatore is 5 years younger which is the only advantage I see to the trade.

We are still doing this? it's beyond time to move on. There's already been 4,368 threads on this. we don't need a 4,369

It's relevant since both are still active.

What is relevant about Seattle needing to proffer a QO or wave good bye bye to Arozarena.... and the Cardinals having contract control thru 2029 of Libby.

Or if, on the Cardinals, Randy could’ve helped the 2020-2025 teams out, then traded last offseason for a return maybe as good as Donovan’s… for players better than Libby.

And then what could they have traded O'Neill for

Not sure, but they wouldnt had to have traded him.

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Liberace probably won't amount to much more than a No. 4 or 5 if he manages to avoid demotion to middle relief or worse. He usually gets worn down by the 5th. And allows a lot of loud contact that gives him an xERA of 5.81. His FIP ain't much better at 5.29. WHIP of 1.51. And -0.2 fWAR. It was a bad, regrettable trade.

[RamFan08NY]

On the flip side, they got Willie McGee for Bob Sykes, so doesn't that level the scale out?

[ScotchMIrish]

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... ra01.shtml

.301 avg .831 OPS

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... ma01.shtml

2-2 4.40 ERA

At the moment Arozarena is producing more. Liberatore is 5 years younger which is the only advantage I see to the trade.

We are still doing this? it's beyond time to move on. There's already been 4,368 threads on this. we don't need a 4,369

It's relevant since both are still active.

What is relevant about Seattle needing to proffer a QO or wave good bye bye to Arozarena.... and the Cardinals having contract control thru 2029 of Libby.

If they end up trading Liberatore closer to his free agency time, it would be interesting to see what we get back. It might start a trade chain similar to how we were able to trace the players involved in the Edmonds trade all the way up to Dominic Leone.

True but it's unlikely we would get much in return unless Liberatore catches a gear.

[Stlcardsblues]

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... ra01.shtml

.301 avg .831 OPS

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... ma01.shtml

2-2 4.40 ERA

At the moment Arozarena is producing more. Liberatore is 5 years younger which is the only advantage I see to the trade.

Just my take on this, and I am posting this as the longest standing critic of Mo on this board.

1. We all know Arozarena was deemed expendable by the organization because of the viral stream which embarrassed the organization.
2. Mo is gone. It’s time to turn the page on his past mistakes and look at what they are building towards.
3. This is one thing I will defend Mo on, when he made the trade he had no way of knowing that a pandemic was going to wipe out the minor league season and Libby would be out for a year before he could start developing.
4. Teams are going to win and lose trades, dwelling on them is pointless.
5. Arozarena is no longer a Ray, it’s not likely they would have kept him here,
6. The Arozarena trade, Alcantara trade and several other moves were key in exposing severe issues in player development and player roster decisions, this organization needed those desperately exposed so they could be corrected. Mo wasn’t going to be the person to fix them.

[hugeCardfan]

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... ra01.shtml

.301 avg .831 OPS

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... ma01.shtml

2-2 4.40 ERA

At the moment Arozarena is producing more. Liberatore is 5 years younger which is the only advantage I see to the trade.

We are still doing this? it's beyond time to move on. There's already been 4,368 threads on this. we don't need a 4,369

It's relevant since both are still active.

What is relevant about Seattle needing to proffer a QO or wave good bye bye to Arozarena.... and the Cardinals having contract control thru 2029 of Libby.

Or if, on the Cardinals, Randy could’ve helped the 2020-2025 teams out, then traded last offseason for a return maybe as good as Donovan’s… for players better than Libby.

Gee, you convinced me. Make it happen.

[BleedingBleu]

Guys who played on the 2019 Memphis or StL teams that played OF
19.1 WAR Tommy Edman
18.9 WAR Randy Arozarena
17.4 WAR Harrison Bader
14.9 WAR Adolis Garcia
12.4 WAR Tyler O’Neill
12.0 WAR Brendan Donovan
5.3 WAR Lane Thomas
3.5 WAR Dylan Carlson
0.4 WAR Conor Capel
-0.4 WAR Drew Robinson
-0.6 WAR Justin Williams

[AtillaTheBlue1]

it was a terrible trade, and still is.