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Re: I think you can look to move Scott II
Posted: 10 Feb 2026 00:29 am
by AZ_Cardsfan
I am amused at those who declare players exposed and never will bes at age 24 with 400 ABs in the majors. Yes, he needs to improve at the plate to keep a job but it isn't unheard of for players to learn and get better.
He may end up unable to hit ML pitching. But the team is in the position to find out before dumping him for nothing.
Re: I think you can look to move Scott II
Posted: 10 Feb 2026 00:35 am
by Ozziesfan41
AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 00:29 am
I am amused at those who declare players exposed and never will bes at age 24 with 400 ABs in the majors. Yes, he needs to improve at the plate to keep a job but it isn't unheard of for players to learn and get better.
He may end up unable to hit ML pitching. But the team is in the position to find out before dumping him for nothing.
Especially when they don’t have anyone better for center
Re: I think you can look to move Scott II
Posted: 10 Feb 2026 04:57 am
by cosmo.kramer
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 00:35 am
AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 00:29 am
I am amused at those who declare players exposed and never will bes at age 24 with 400 ABs in the majors. Yes, he needs to improve at the plate to keep a job but it isn't unheard of for players to learn and get better.
He may end up unable to hit ML pitching. But the team is in the position to find out before dumping him for nothing.
Especially when they don’t have anyone better for center
Writing off Church after 50 ABs is crazy. He's shown more upside with the bat than Scott in college, in AA, and in AAA. He's led the minor leagues in outfield assists, and he's been named the best outfield defender in the Cardinals system.
If/when Scott fails, Church should absolutely be given a fair shot in center.
Watch BP live between Scott, Siani, Torres, Church, and you can easily tell which one has the most pop. You'll catch more home runs from Church than the other three combined.
Excited to go to Spring Training in a few weeks to get a look at the new Scott, but Church is my breakout prediction for the year.
Re: I think you can look to move Scott II
Posted: 10 Feb 2026 05:04 am
by sikeston bulldog2
cosmo.kramer wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 04:57 am
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 00:35 am
AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 00:29 am
I am amused at those who declare players exposed and never will bes at age 24 with 400 ABs in the majors. Yes, he needs to improve at the plate to keep a job but it isn't unheard of for players to learn and get better.
He may end up unable to hit ML pitching. But the team is in the position to find out before dumping him for nothing.
Especially when they don’t have anyone better for center
Writing off Church after 50 ABs is crazy. He's shown more upside with the bat than Scott in college, in AA, and in AAA. He's led the minor leagues in outfield assists, and he's been named the best outfield defender in the Cardinals system.
If/when Scott fails, Church should absolutely be given a fair shot in center.
Watch BP live between Scott, Siani, Torres, Church, and you can easily tell which one has the most pop. You'll catch more home runs from Church than the other three combined.
Excited to go to Spring Training in a few weeks to get a look at the new Scott, but Church is my breakout prediction for the year.
Nice write. I know LITTLE of Church but have high hopes for Scott. What if they both emerge.
Re: I think you can look to move Scott II
Posted: 10 Feb 2026 05:18 am
by cosmo.kramer
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:04 am
cosmo.kramer wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 04:57 am
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 00:35 am
AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 00:29 am
I am amused at those who declare players exposed and never will bes at age 24 with 400 ABs in the majors. Yes, he needs to improve at the plate to keep a job but it isn't unheard of for players to learn and get better.
He may end up unable to hit ML pitching. But the team is in the position to find out before dumping him for nothing.
Especially when they don’t have anyone better for center
Writing off Church after 50 ABs is crazy. He's shown more upside with the bat than Scott in college, in AA, and in AAA. He's led the minor leagues in outfield assists, and he's been named the best outfield defender in the Cardinals system.
If/when Scott fails, Church should absolutely be given a fair shot in center.
Watch BP live between Scott, Siani, Torres, Church, and you can easily tell which one has the most pop. You'll catch more home runs from Church than the other three combined.
Excited to go to Spring Training in a few weeks to get a look at the new Scott, but Church is my breakout prediction for the year.
Nice write. I know LITTLE of Church but have high hopes for Scott. What if they both emerge.
They batted 1/2 and roamed the OF together in Peoria in '23, and the defense was fun to watch. I'm sure the pitchers loved it.
Re: I think you can look to move Scott II
Posted: 10 Feb 2026 05:25 am
by sikeston bulldog2
cosmo.kramer wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:18 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:04 am
cosmo.kramer wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 04:57 am
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 00:35 am
AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 00:29 am
I am amused at those who declare players exposed and never will bes at age 24 with 400 ABs in the majors. Yes, he needs to improve at the plate to keep a job but it isn't unheard of for players to learn and get better.
He may end up unable to hit ML pitching. But the team is in the position to find out before dumping him for nothing.
Especially when they don’t have anyone better for center
Writing off Church after 50 ABs is crazy. He's shown more upside with the bat than Scott in college, in AA, and in AAA. He's led the minor leagues in outfield assists, and he's been named the best outfield defender in the Cardinals system.
If/when Scott fails, Church should absolutely be given a fair shot in center.
Watch BP live between Scott, Siani, Torres, Church, and you can easily tell which one has the most pop. You'll catch more home runs from Church than the other three combined.
Excited to go to Spring Training in a few weeks to get a look at the new Scott, but Church is my breakout prediction for the year.
Nice write. I know LITTLE of Church but have high hopes for Scott. What if they both emerge.
They batted 1/2 and roamed the OF together in Peoria in '23, and the defense was fun to watch. I'm sure the pitchers loved it.
23 is recent. Good to know. If Church is all that, I can easily see him in left, as left is a hole.
Re: I think you can look to move Scott II
Posted: 10 Feb 2026 05:30 am
by JasperWalls
The team can be very good without an Edmonds/trout type in center as long as they have good players at other positions. The dodgers are the only team in baseball with great players at every position
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Who's the 'great' centerfielder the Dodgers have?
Re: I think you can look to move Scott II
Posted: 10 Feb 2026 05:31 am
by cosmo.kramer
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:25 am
cosmo.kramer wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:18 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:04 am
cosmo.kramer wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 04:57 am
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 00:35 am
AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 00:29 am
I am amused at those who declare players exposed and never will bes at age 24 with 400 ABs in the majors. Yes, he needs to improve at the plate to keep a job but it isn't unheard of for players to learn and get better.
He may end up unable to hit ML pitching. But the team is in the position to find out before dumping him for nothing.
Especially when they don’t have anyone better for center
Writing off Church after 50 ABs is crazy. He's shown more upside with the bat than Scott in college, in AA, and in AAA. He's led the minor leagues in outfield assists, and he's been named the best outfield defender in the Cardinals system.
If/when Scott fails, Church should absolutely be given a fair shot in center.
Watch BP live between Scott, Siani, Torres, Church, and you can easily tell which one has the most pop. You'll catch more home runs from Church than the other three combined.
Excited to go to Spring Training in a few weeks to get a look at the new Scott, but Church is my breakout prediction for the year.
Nice write. I know LITTLE of Church but have high hopes for Scott. What if they both emerge.
They batted 1/2 and roamed the OF together in Peoria in '23, and the defense was fun to watch. I'm sure the pitchers loved it.
23 is recent. Good to know. If Church is all that, I can easily see him in left, as left is a hole.
Just checked their batting lines while playing together in Peoria (Vic was promoted to Springfield on 6/26, so these are half season):
Scott .282/.365/.398/.763 (117 wRC+)
Church .314/.392/.402/.794 (127 wRC+)
Would love if they could replicate this. Two of the OF spots would be locked down
Re: I think you can look to move Scott II
Posted: 10 Feb 2026 05:35 am
by sikeston bulldog2
cosmo.kramer wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:31 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:25 am
cosmo.kramer wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:18 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:04 am
cosmo.kramer wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 04:57 am
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 00:35 am
AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 00:29 am
I am amused at those who declare players exposed and never will bes at age 24 with 400 ABs in the majors. Yes, he needs to improve at the plate to keep a job but it isn't unheard of for players to learn and get better.
He may end up unable to hit ML pitching. But the team is in the position to find out before dumping him for nothing.
Especially when they don’t have anyone better for center
Writing off Church after 50 ABs is crazy. He's shown more upside with the bat than Scott in college, in AA, and in AAA. He's led the minor leagues in outfield assists, and he's been named the best outfield defender in the Cardinals system.
If/when Scott fails, Church should absolutely be given a fair shot in center.
Watch BP live between Scott, Siani, Torres, Church, and you can easily tell which one has the most pop. You'll catch more home runs from Church than the other three combined.
Excited to go to Spring Training in a few weeks to get a look at the new Scott, but Church is my breakout prediction for the year.
Nice write. I know LITTLE of Church but have high hopes for Scott. What if they both emerge.
They batted 1/2 and roamed the OF together in Peoria in '23, and the defense was fun to watch. I'm sure the pitchers loved it.
23 is recent. Good to know. If Church is all that, I can easily see him in left, as left is a hole.
Just checked their batting lines while playing together in Peoria (Vic was promoted to Springfield on 6/26, so these are half season):
Scott .282/.365/.398/.763 (117 wRC+)
Church .314/.392/.402/.794 (127 wRC+)
Would love if they could replicate this. Two of the OF spots would be locked down
Good data. Believe it or not, I feel Walker will get better. How better, well anything will do. If or when that happens we could one day have both the best infield and very good outfield in baseball.
Re: I think you can look to move Scott II
Posted: 10 Feb 2026 05:42 am
by cosmo.kramer
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:35 am
cosmo.kramer wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:31 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:25 am
cosmo.kramer wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:18 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:04 am
Nice write. I know LITTLE of Church but have high hopes for Scott. What if they both emerge.
They batted 1/2 and roamed the OF together in Peoria in '23, and the defense was fun to watch. I'm sure the pitchers loved it.
23 is recent. Good to know. If Church is all that, I can easily see him in left, as left is a hole.
Just checked their batting lines while playing together in Peoria (Vic was promoted to Springfield on 6/26, so these are half season):
Scott .282/.365/.398/.763 (117 wRC+)
Church .314/.392/.402/.794 (127 wRC+)
Would love if they could replicate this. Two of the OF spots would be locked down
Good data. Believe it or not, I feel Walker will get better. How better, well anything will do. If or when that happens we could one day have both the best infield and very good outfield in baseball.
And if not Walker, then hopefully Baez instead
Re: I think you can look to move Scott II
Posted: 10 Feb 2026 05:55 am
by sikeston bulldog2
cosmo.kramer wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:42 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:35 am
cosmo.kramer wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:31 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:25 am
cosmo.kramer wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:18 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:04 am
Nice write. I know LITTLE of Church but have high hopes for Scott. What if they both emerge.
They batted 1/2 and roamed the OF together in Peoria in '23, and the defense was fun to watch. I'm sure the pitchers loved it.
23 is recent. Good to know. If Church is all that, I can easily see him in left, as left is a hole.
Just checked their batting lines while playing together in Peoria (Vic was promoted to Springfield on 6/26, so these are half season):
Scott .282/.365/.398/.763 (117 wRC+)
Church .314/.392/.402/.794 (127 wRC+)
Would love if they could replicate this. Two of the OF spots would be locked down
Good data. Believe it or not, I feel Walker will get better. How better, well anything will do. If or when that happens we could one day have both the best infield and very good outfield in baseball.
And if not Walker, then hopefully Baez instead
I just opened a new thread. I will use this piece. Defensively how do you rate Baez in right. I again know little.
Re: I think you can look to move Scott II
Posted: 10 Feb 2026 08:11 am
by cosmo.kramer
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:55 am
cosmo.kramer wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:42 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:35 am
cosmo.kramer wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:31 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:25 am
cosmo.kramer wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:18 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:04 am
Nice write. I know LITTLE of Church but have high hopes for Scott. What if they both emerge.
They batted 1/2 and roamed the OF together in Peoria in '23, and the defense was fun to watch. I'm sure the pitchers loved it.
23 is recent. Good to know. If Church is all that, I can easily see him in left, as left is a hole.
Just checked their batting lines while playing together in Peoria (Vic was promoted to Springfield on 6/26, so these are half season):
Scott .282/.365/.398/.763 (117 wRC+)
Church .314/.392/.402/.794 (127 wRC+)
Would love if they could replicate this. Two of the OF spots would be locked down
Good data. Believe it or not, I feel Walker will get better. How better, well anything will do. If or when that happens we could one day have both the best infield and very good outfield in baseball.
And if not Walker, then hopefully Baez instead
I just opened a new thread. I will use this piece. Defensively how do you rate Baez in right. I again know little.
Good defense for a corner, with a strong arm, though I'd place him firmly behind Scott and Church. The ideal defensive alignment would probably be Walker/Baez/Noot in LF with Scott in CF and Church in RF.
Re: I think you can look to move Scott II
Posted: 10 Feb 2026 08:28 am
by sikeston bulldog2
cosmo.kramer wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 08:11 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:55 am
cosmo.kramer wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:42 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:35 am
cosmo.kramer wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:31 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:25 am
cosmo.kramer wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:18 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:04 am
Nice write. I know LITTLE of Church but have high hopes for Scott. What if they both emerge.
They batted 1/2 and roamed the OF together in Peoria in '23, and the defense was fun to watch. I'm sure the pitchers loved it.
23 is recent. Good to know. If Church is all that, I can easily see him in left, as left is a hole.
Just checked their batting lines while playing together in Peoria (Vic was promoted to Springfield on 6/26, so these are half season):
Scott .282/.365/.398/.763 (117 wRC+)
Church .314/.392/.402/.794 (127 wRC+)
Would love if they could replicate this. Two of the OF spots would be locked down
Good data. Believe it or not, I feel Walker will get better. How better, well anything will do. If or when that happens we could one day have both the best infield and very good outfield in baseball.
And if not Walker, then hopefully Baez instead
I just opened a new thread. I will use this piece. Defensively how do you rate Baez in right. I again know little.
Good defense for a corner, with a strong arm, though I'd place him firmly behind Scott and Church. The ideal defensive alignment would probably be Walker/Baez/Noot in LF with Scott in CF and Church in RF.
Interesting you keep Walker but move him. If Walker were to hit, and force his way into the lineup, where does he go. Noot wont be ready.
I think he stays in right, with defensive progression, and Church is a lock down left fielder. Gives me 2/3 GG caliber fielders, and an emerging RF, at least defensive. Nice convo.
Re: I think you can look to move Scott II
Posted: 10 Feb 2026 09:08 am
by cosmo.kramer
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 08:28 am
cosmo.kramer wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 08:11 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:55 am
cosmo.kramer wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:42 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:35 am
cosmo.kramer wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:31 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:25 am
cosmo.kramer wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:18 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 05:04 am
Nice write. I know LITTLE of Church but have high hopes for Scott. What if they both emerge.
They batted 1/2 and roamed the OF together in Peoria in '23, and the defense was fun to watch. I'm sure the pitchers loved it.
23 is recent. Good to know. If Church is all that, I can easily see him in left, as left is a hole.
Just checked their batting lines while playing together in Peoria (Vic was promoted to Springfield on 6/26, so these are half season):
Scott .282/.365/.398/.763 (117 wRC+)
Church .314/.392/.402/.794 (127 wRC+)
Would love if they could replicate this. Two of the OF spots would be locked down
Good data. Believe it or not, I feel Walker will get better. How better, well anything will do. If or when that happens we could one day have both the best infield and very good outfield in baseball.
And if not Walker, then hopefully Baez instead
I just opened a new thread. I will use this piece. Defensively how do you rate Baez in right. I again know little.
Good defense for a corner, with a strong arm, though I'd place him firmly behind Scott and Church. The ideal defensive alignment would probably be Walker/Baez/Noot in LF with Scott in CF and Church in RF.
Interesting you keep Walker but move him. If Walker were to hit, and force his way into the lineup, where does he go. Noot wont be ready.
I think he stays in right, with defensive progression, and Church is a lock down left fielder. Gives me 2/3 GG caliber fielders, and an emerging RF, at least defensive. Nice convo.
Oh I definitely don't think they actually move Walker to LF, but that would be the better defensive alignment. I do wonder if Baez sees some action in LF in AAA though, just to get him some reps.
Re: I think you can look to move Scott II
Posted: 10 Feb 2026 09:13 am
by rockondlouie
82birds wrote: ↑09 Feb 2026 16:16 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑09 Feb 2026 08:41 am
I'd wait to see what he does this season before "moving on".
IF VSII could just get to a .325-.330 OB% by hitting down on the ball more & learning the art of bunting, then he's a HUGE asset playing Gold Glove level defense in CF and stealing 40-50 bases while making no money.
yup, but there's that IF word again.
And unless we see a different hitter, that's a BIG "IF", I have my doubts but am rooting for the kid since he does have two elite tools.
Re: I think you can look to move Scott II
Posted: 10 Feb 2026 09:20 am
by 12xu
I think not. Scott II has excellent skills: very good defense in CF, and excellent base stealing success - 39 SB in 44 attempts so far in 191 MLB games. Now he needs to improve his OBP by being more selective at the plate, and concentrate on hitting the ball to the opposite field on a line. He should refrain from trying to hit homers. I have much more faith in him improving at these things this season than Walker and Gorman correcting their faults. Now is not the time to move Victor Scott II.