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Goldfan wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 22:02 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 21:51 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 21:39 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 21:31 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 21:05 pm

Hoosier59 wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 20:05 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 17:35 pm

Shady wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 16:47 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 16:43 pm Donny will return a younger cheaper version of himself or lesser talent player. If you haven’t noticed the real mission is to drop payroll and HOPE some of these returning players don’t embarrass BDW/Bloom too much

Why dump salary on an outstanding, fairly young player like Donovan? Unless the return is extravagant. I like the thought of having really fine hitters like Donovan, Herrera, Burleson and, hopefully, Wetherholt in the lineup, together, for a few seasons.

Goldfan is wrong.

They’re not trying to dump salary. They are trying to acquire prospects.

What flavor is that “Cool-aid “ your drinking!

Okay, so all we have to go by so far is Gray, a trade where they ate 20mil in order to get a better return: two pitchers.

We also have the May signing: a deal which COST them 12 million.

So, Hoosier, where is the salary dump?

Also, there are talks about signing ANOTHER starting pitcher to a one year deal, probably at least an 8-12 mil contract.

With knowing ALL of this, they stand to dump NO money on the Gray deal, but rather instead trading a contract with one year remaining and gaining 1) a prospect 2) a young pitcher w control in Fritts, and 3) two vets to hold down the rotation and maybe flip at the deadline.

So where is the salary dump?

Gray was owed 35mil in ‘26 with club option for 30mil and 5mil buyout in ‘27. So that’s 40mil 40-20=20mil saved
So you want to throw in May at 12…..thats 8mil. Donny is 6mi…..14mil saved
14 mil here and there….you’re dumping salary

1) Has Donovan been traded yet??
2) And if he is traded you ALREADY KNOW that the players they receive will make far less than $6M???
3) Are you saying they should have held onto Gray for this season and next at a cost of $65M at his age????

Just when I thought you couldn’t whine any more and get any dumber!!!!

So Donny won’t be traded now??
What I’m saying is that the Cards payroll has been going down and will continue to go down as these vet contracts fall off.
But this isn’t a salary dump to genius’s like you…..you see the math…..what do you want to call it???
Donny isn’t going to return the next Skenes, he’s returning a younger Donny who makes no money.
So what does that do for the future talent base…..its not improved…..BDW will have his low payroll….and the future team will not be improved.
I challenged EC…..what has the team returned so far that jump starts this “rebuild”? Perhaps this lefty from Boston has a future…..is it a lock??

I guess we’ll ignore the 18mil form MIles too…..
Guess we forgot about that in the little equation up top
18 Miles+20 Gray but we add 12mil because we don’t have any SP…….38mil gone from starting staff but we added 12mil and Fitts(820,00)
38MIlLION offloaded from starting rotation and 13mil ADDED….I say dumping salary….Cuse says I’m stupid
Cuse you got a calculator???

ecleme22 wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 23:00 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 22:02 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 21:51 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 21:39 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 21:31 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 21:05 pm

Hoosier59 wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 20:05 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 17:35 pm

Shady wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 16:47 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 16:43 pm Donny will return a younger cheaper version of himself or lesser talent player. If you haven’t noticed the real mission is to drop payroll and HOPE some of these returning players don’t embarrass BDW/Bloom too much

Why dump salary on an outstanding, fairly young player like Donovan? Unless the return is extravagant. I like the thought of having really fine hitters like Donovan, Herrera, Burleson and, hopefully, Wetherholt in the lineup, together, for a few seasons.

Goldfan is wrong.

They’re not trying to dump salary. They are trying to acquire prospects.

What flavor is that “Cool-aid “ your drinking!

Okay, so all we have to go by so far is Gray, a trade where they ate 20mil in order to get a better return: two pitchers.

We also have the May signing: a deal which COST them 12 million.

So, Hoosier, where is the salary dump?

Also, there are talks about signing ANOTHER starting pitcher to a one year deal, probably at least an 8-12 mil contract.

With knowing ALL of this, they stand to dump NO money on the Gray deal, but rather instead trading a contract with one year remaining and gaining 1) a prospect 2) a young pitcher w control in Fritts, and 3) two vets to hold down the rotation and maybe flip at the deadline.

So where is the salary dump?

Gray was owed 35mil in ‘26 with club option for 30mil and 5mil buyout in ‘27. So that’s 40mil 40-20=20mil saved
So you want to throw in May at 12…..thats 8mil. Donny is 6mi…..14mil saved
14 mil here and there….you’re dumping salary

1) Has Donovan been traded yet??
2) And if he is traded you ALREADY KNOW that the players they receive will make far less than $6M???
3) Are you saying they should have held onto Gray for this season and next at a cost of $65M at his age????

Just when I thought you couldn’t whine any more and get any dumber!!!!

So Donny won’t be traded now??
What I’m saying is that the Cards payroll has been going down and will continue to go down as these vet contracts fall off.
But this isn’t a salary dump to genius’s like you…..you see the math…..what do you want to call it???
Donny isn’t going to return the next Skenes, he’s returning a younger Donny who makes no money.
So what does that do for the future talent base…..its not improved…..BDW will have his low payroll….and the future team will not be improved.
I challenged EC…..what has the team returned so far that jump starts this “rebuild”? Perhaps this lefty from Boston has a future…..is it a lock??

I guess we’ll ignore the 18mil form MIles too…..
Guess we forgot about that in the little equation up top
18 Miles+20 Gray but we add 12mil because we don’t have any SP…….38mil gone from starting staff but we added 12mil and Fitts(820,00)
38MIlLION offloaded from starting rotation and 13mil ADDED….I say dumping salary….Cuse says I’m stupid
Cuse you got a calculator???

Rebuilding teams spend less.

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 23:04 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 23:00 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 22:02 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 21:51 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 21:39 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 21:31 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 21:05 pm

Hoosier59 wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 20:05 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 17:35 pm

Shady wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 16:47 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 16:43 pm Donny will return a younger cheaper version of himself or lesser talent player. If you haven’t noticed the real mission is to drop payroll and HOPE some of these returning players don’t embarrass BDW/Bloom too much

Why dump salary on an outstanding, fairly young player like Donovan? Unless the return is extravagant. I like the thought of having really fine hitters like Donovan, Herrera, Burleson and, hopefully, Wetherholt in the lineup, together, for a few seasons.

Goldfan is wrong.

They’re not trying to dump salary. They are trying to acquire prospects.

What flavor is that “Cool-aid “ your drinking!

Okay, so all we have to go by so far is Gray, a trade where they ate 20mil in order to get a better return: two pitchers.

We also have the May signing: a deal which COST them 12 million.

So, Hoosier, where is the salary dump?

Also, there are talks about signing ANOTHER starting pitcher to a one year deal, probably at least an 8-12 mil contract.

With knowing ALL of this, they stand to dump NO money on the Gray deal, but rather instead trading a contract with one year remaining and gaining 1) a prospect 2) a young pitcher w control in Fritts, and 3) two vets to hold down the rotation and maybe flip at the deadline.

So where is the salary dump?

Gray was owed 35mil in ‘26 with club option for 30mil and 5mil buyout in ‘27. So that’s 40mil 40-20=20mil saved
So you want to throw in May at 12…..thats 8mil. Donny is 6mi…..14mil saved
14 mil here and there….you’re dumping salary

1) Has Donovan been traded yet??
2) And if he is traded you ALREADY KNOW that the players they receive will make far less than $6M???
3) Are you saying they should have held onto Gray for this season and next at a cost of $65M at his age????

Just when I thought you couldn’t whine any more and get any dumber!!!!

So Donny won’t be traded now??
What I’m saying is that the Cards payroll has been going down and will continue to go down as these vet contracts fall off.
But this isn’t a salary dump to genius’s like you…..you see the math…..what do you want to call it???
Donny isn’t going to return the next Skenes, he’s returning a younger Donny who makes no money.
So what does that do for the future talent base…..its not improved…..BDW will have his low payroll….and the future team will not be improved.
I challenged EC…..what has the team returned so far that jump starts this “rebuild”? Perhaps this lefty from Boston has a future…..is it a lock??

I guess we’ll ignore the 18mil form MIles too…..
Guess we forgot about that in the little equation up top
18 Miles+20 Gray but we add 12mil because we don’t have any SP…….38mil gone from starting staff but we added 12mil and Fitts(820,00)
38MIlLION offloaded from starting rotation and 13mil ADDED….I say dumping salary….Cuse says I’m stupid
Cuse you got a calculator???

Rebuilding teams spend less.

I don’t think he’s intelligent enough to grasp the concept of how a rebuild works

Goldfan wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025 07:54 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 23:04 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 23:00 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 22:02 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 21:51 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 21:39 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 21:31 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 21:05 pm

Hoosier59 wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 20:05 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 17:35 pm

Shady wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 16:47 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 16:43 pm Donny will return a younger cheaper version of himself or lesser talent player. If you haven’t noticed the real mission is to drop payroll and HOPE some of these returning players don’t embarrass BDW/Bloom too much

Why dump salary on an outstanding, fairly young player like Donovan? Unless the return is extravagant. I like the thought of having really fine hitters like Donovan, Herrera, Burleson and, hopefully, Wetherholt in the lineup, together, for a few seasons.

Goldfan is wrong.

They’re not trying to dump salary. They are trying to acquire prospects.

What flavor is that “Cool-aid “ your drinking!

Okay, so all we have to go by so far is Gray, a trade where they ate 20mil in order to get a better return: two pitchers.

We also have the May signing: a deal which COST them 12 million.

So, Hoosier, where is the salary dump?

Also, there are talks about signing ANOTHER starting pitcher to a one year deal, probably at least an 8-12 mil contract.

With knowing ALL of this, they stand to dump NO money on the Gray deal, but rather instead trading a contract with one year remaining and gaining 1) a prospect 2) a young pitcher w control in Fritts, and 3) two vets to hold down the rotation and maybe flip at the deadline.

So where is the salary dump?

Gray was owed 35mil in ‘26 with club option for 30mil and 5mil buyout in ‘27. So that’s 40mil 40-20=20mil saved
So you want to throw in May at 12…..thats 8mil. Donny is 6mi…..14mil saved
14 mil here and there….you’re dumping salary

1) Has Donovan been traded yet??
2) And if he is traded you ALREADY KNOW that the players they receive will make far less than $6M???
3) Are you saying they should have held onto Gray for this season and next at a cost of $65M at his age????

Just when I thought you couldn’t whine any more and get any dumber!!!!

So Donny won’t be traded now??
What I’m saying is that the Cards payroll has been going down and will continue to go down as these vet contracts fall off.
But this isn’t a salary dump to genius’s like you…..you see the math…..what do you want to call it???
Donny isn’t going to return the next Skenes, he’s returning a younger Donny who makes no money.
So what does that do for the future talent base…..its not improved…..BDW will have his low payroll….and the future team will not be improved.
I challenged EC…..what has the team returned so far that jump starts this “rebuild”? Perhaps this lefty from Boston has a future…..is it a lock??

I guess we’ll ignore the 18mil form MIles too…..
Guess we forgot about that in the little equation up top
18 Miles+20 Gray but we add 12mil because we don’t have any SP…….38mil gone from starting staff but we added 12mil and Fitts(820,00)
38MIlLION offloaded from starting rotation and 13mil ADDED….I say dumping salary….Cuse says I’m stupid
Cuse you got a calculator???

Rebuilding teams spend less.

I don’t think he’s intelligent enough to grasp the concept of how a rebuild works

I’ll type really slow for you fellas….
When Gray was signed I said it was stupid to spend that much money on a 5’10 180 mid 30s fella who had an odd tract record of leaving games early. Turns out the man has an issue with grip in the summer heat.
When they signed WC I said it was stupid because they had Defensive catchers and they needed to spend $$ on OF and pitching. Well WC didn’t really work out at catcher did he?? If you want to go with the story he’s a great offensive weapon have at it….
If you think replacing May(7-11, 5ERA, 1.421Whip) and Fitts(2-4, 5ERA, 1.311Whip) 13mil TOTAL is “rebuilding” good for you
But to the Keen eye BDW dumped 25mil off his starting rotation…..if you want to include Fedde and Matz that’s another 20mil
But But But that minor league LH SP from Boston……..MIGHT be something in the future….

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025 07:58 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025 07:54 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 23:04 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 23:00 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 22:02 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 21:51 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 21:39 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 21:31 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 21:05 pm

Hoosier59 wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 20:05 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 17:35 pm

Shady wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 16:47 pm

Why dump salary on an outstanding, fairly young player like Donovan? Unless the return is extravagant. I like the thought of having really fine hitters like Donovan, Herrera, Burleson and, hopefully, Wetherholt in the lineup, together, for a few seasons.

Goldfan is wrong.

They’re not trying to dump salary. They are trying to acquire prospects.

What flavor is that “Cool-aid “ your drinking!

Okay, so all we have to go by so far is Gray, a trade where they ate 20mil in order to get a better return: two pitchers.

We also have the May signing: a deal which COST them 12 million.

So, Hoosier, where is the salary dump?

Also, there are talks about signing ANOTHER starting pitcher to a one year deal, probably at least an 8-12 mil contract.

With knowing ALL of this, they stand to dump NO money on the Gray deal, but rather instead trading a contract with one year remaining and gaining 1) a prospect 2) a young pitcher w control in Fritts, and 3) two vets to hold down the rotation and maybe flip at the deadline.

So where is the salary dump?

Gray was owed 35mil in ‘26 with club option for 30mil and 5mil buyout in ‘27. So that’s 40mil 40-20=20mil saved
So you want to throw in May at 12…..thats 8mil. Donny is 6mi…..14mil saved
14 mil here and there….you’re dumping salary

1) Has Donovan been traded yet??
2) And if he is traded you ALREADY KNOW that the players they receive will make far less than $6M???
3) Are you saying they should have held onto Gray for this season and next at a cost of $65M at his age????

Just when I thought you couldn’t whine any more and get any dumber!!!!

So Donny won’t be traded now??
What I’m saying is that the Cards payroll has been going down and will continue to go down as these vet contracts fall off.
But this isn’t a salary dump to genius’s like you…..you see the math…..what do you want to call it???
Donny isn’t going to return the next Skenes, he’s returning a younger Donny who makes no money.
So what does that do for the future talent base…..its not improved…..BDW will have his low payroll….and the future team will not be improved.
I challenged EC…..what has the team returned so far that jump starts this “rebuild”? Perhaps this lefty from Boston has a future…..is it a lock??

I guess we’ll ignore the 18mil form MIles too…..
Guess we forgot about that in the little equation up top
18 Miles+20 Gray but we add 12mil because we don’t have any SP…….38mil gone from starting staff but we added 12mil and Fitts(820,00)
38MIlLION offloaded from starting rotation and 13mil ADDED….I say dumping salary….Cuse says I’m stupid
Cuse you got a calculator???

Rebuilding teams spend less.

I don’t think he’s intelligent enough to grasp the concept of how a rebuild works

I’ll type really slow for you fellas….
When Gray was signed I said it was stupid to spend that much money on a 5’10 180 mid 30s fella who had an odd tract record of leaving games early. Turns out the man has an issue with grip in the summer heat.
When they signed WC I said it was stupid because they had Defensive catchers and they needed to spend $$ on OF and pitching. Well WC didn’t really work out at catcher did he?? If you want to go with the story he’s a great offensive weapon have at it….
If you think replacing May(7-11, 5ERA, 1.421Whip) and Fitts(2-4, 5ERA, 1.311Whip) 13mil TOTAL is “rebuilding” good for you
But to the Keen eye BDW dumped 25mil off his starting rotation…..if you want to include Fedde and Matz that’s another 20mil
But But But that minor league LH SP from Boston……..MIGHT be something in the future….

I look at our situation like I do when someone is stuck in the snow; sometimes you need just a pickup truck to help, sometimes you need the wrecker.