Is Bloom holding out for a slugger-type in a Donovan deal?

[ecleme22]

Donny will return a younger cheaper version of himself or lesser talent player. If you haven’t noticed the real mission is to drop payroll and HOPE some of these returning players don’t embarrass BDW/Bloom too much

Why dump salary on an outstanding, fairly young player like Donovan? Unless the return is extravagant. I like the thought of having really fine hitters like Donovan, Herrera, Burleson and, hopefully, Wetherholt in the lineup, together, for a few seasons.

Goldfan is wrong.

They’re not trying to dump salary. They are trying to acquire prospects.

What flavor is that “Cool-aid “ your drinking!

Okay, so all we have to go by so far is Gray, a trade where they ate 20mil in order to get a better return: two pitchers.

We also have the May signing: a deal which COST them 12 million.

So, Hoosier, where is the salary dump?

Also, there are talks about signing ANOTHER starting pitcher to a one year deal, probably at least an 8-12 mil contract.

With knowing ALL of this, they stand to dump NO money on the Gray deal, but rather instead trading a contract with one year remaining and gaining 1) a prospect 2) a young pitcher w control in Fritts, and 3) two vets to hold down the rotation and maybe flip at the deadline.

So where is the salary dump?

Gray was owed 35mil in ‘26 with club option for 30mil and 5mil buyout in ‘27. So that’s 40mil 40-20=20mil saved
So you want to throw in May at 12…..thats 8mil. Donny is 6mi…..14mil saved
14 mil here and there….you’re dumping salary

1) Has Donovan been traded yet??
2) And if he is traded you ALREADY KNOW that the players they receive will make far less than $6M???
3) Are you saying they should have held onto Gray for this season and next at a cost of $65M at his age????

Just when I thought you couldn’t whine any more and get any dumber!!!!

So Donny won’t be traded now??
What I’m saying is that the Cards payroll has been going down and will continue to go down as these vet contracts fall off.
But this isn’t a salary dump to genius’s like you…..you see the math…..what do you want to call it???
Donny isn’t going to return the next Skenes, he’s returning a younger Donny who makes no money.
So what does that do for the future talent base…..its not improved…..BDW will have his low payroll….and the future team will not be improved.
I challenged EC…..what has the team returned so far that jump starts this “rebuild”? Perhaps this lefty from Boston has a future…..is it a lock??

I guess we’ll ignore the 18mil form MIles too…..
Guess we forgot about that in the little equation up top
18 Miles+20 Gray but we add 12mil because we don’t have any SP…….38mil gone from starting staff but we added 12mil and Fitts(820,00)
38MIlLION offloaded from starting rotation and 13mil ADDED….I say dumping salary….Cuse says I’m stupid
Cuse you got a calculator???

Rebuilding teams spend less.

[Ozziesfan41]

Donny will return a younger cheaper version of himself or lesser talent player. If you haven’t noticed the real mission is to drop payroll and HOPE some of these returning players don’t embarrass BDW/Bloom too much

Why dump salary on an outstanding, fairly young player like Donovan? Unless the return is extravagant. I like the thought of having really fine hitters like Donovan, Herrera, Burleson and, hopefully, Wetherholt in the lineup, together, for a few seasons.

Goldfan is wrong.

They’re not trying to dump salary. They are trying to acquire prospects.

What flavor is that “Cool-aid “ your drinking!

Okay, so all we have to go by so far is Gray, a trade where they ate 20mil in order to get a better return: two pitchers.

We also have the May signing: a deal which COST them 12 million.

So, Hoosier, where is the salary dump?

Also, there are talks about signing ANOTHER starting pitcher to a one year deal, probably at least an 8-12 mil contract.

With knowing ALL of this, they stand to dump NO money on the Gray deal, but rather instead trading a contract with one year remaining and gaining 1) a prospect 2) a young pitcher w control in Fritts, and 3) two vets to hold down the rotation and maybe flip at the deadline.

So where is the salary dump?

Gray was owed 35mil in ‘26 with club option for 30mil and 5mil buyout in ‘27. So that’s 40mil 40-20=20mil saved
So you want to throw in May at 12…..thats 8mil. Donny is 6mi…..14mil saved
14 mil here and there….you’re dumping salary

1) Has Donovan been traded yet??
2) And if he is traded you ALREADY KNOW that the players they receive will make far less than $6M???
3) Are you saying they should have held onto Gray for this season and next at a cost of $65M at his age????

Just when I thought you couldn’t whine any more and get any dumber!!!!

So Donny won’t be traded now??
What I’m saying is that the Cards payroll has been going down and will continue to go down as these vet contracts fall off.
But this isn’t a salary dump to genius’s like you…..you see the math…..what do you want to call it???
Donny isn’t going to return the next Skenes, he’s returning a younger Donny who makes no money.
So what does that do for the future talent base…..its not improved…..BDW will have his low payroll….and the future team will not be improved.
I challenged EC…..what has the team returned so far that jump starts this “rebuild”? Perhaps this lefty from Boston has a future…..is it a lock??

I guess we’ll ignore the 18mil form MIles too…..
Guess we forgot about that in the little equation up top
18 Miles+20 Gray but we add 12mil because we don’t have any SP…….38mil gone from starting staff but we added 12mil and Fitts(820,00)
38MIlLION offloaded from starting rotation and 13mil ADDED….I say dumping salary….Cuse says I’m stupid
Cuse you got a calculator???

Rebuilding teams spend less.

I don’t think he’s intelligent enough to grasp the concept of how a rebuild works

[Goldfan]

Donny will return a younger cheaper version of himself or lesser talent player. If you haven’t noticed the real mission is to drop payroll and HOPE some of these returning players don’t embarrass BDW/Bloom too much

Why dump salary on an outstanding, fairly young player like Donovan? Unless the return is extravagant. I like the thought of having really fine hitters like Donovan, Herrera, Burleson and, hopefully, Wetherholt in the lineup, together, for a few seasons.

Goldfan is wrong.

They’re not trying to dump salary. They are trying to acquire prospects.

What flavor is that “Cool-aid “ your drinking!

Okay, so all we have to go by so far is Gray, a trade where they ate 20mil in order to get a better return: two pitchers.

We also have the May signing: a deal which COST them 12 million.

So, Hoosier, where is the salary dump?

Also, there are talks about signing ANOTHER starting pitcher to a one year deal, probably at least an 8-12 mil contract.

With knowing ALL of this, they stand to dump NO money on the Gray deal, but rather instead trading a contract with one year remaining and gaining 1) a prospect 2) a young pitcher w control in Fritts, and 3) two vets to hold down the rotation and maybe flip at the deadline.

So where is the salary dump?

Gray was owed 35mil in ‘26 with club option for 30mil and 5mil buyout in ‘27. So that’s 40mil 40-20=20mil saved
So you want to throw in May at 12…..thats 8mil. Donny is 6mi…..14mil saved
14 mil here and there….you’re dumping salary

1) Has Donovan been traded yet??
2) And if he is traded you ALREADY KNOW that the players they receive will make far less than $6M???
3) Are you saying they should have held onto Gray for this season and next at a cost of $65M at his age????

Just when I thought you couldn’t whine any more and get any dumber!!!!

So Donny won’t be traded now??
What I’m saying is that the Cards payroll has been going down and will continue to go down as these vet contracts fall off.
But this isn’t a salary dump to genius’s like you…..you see the math…..what do you want to call it???
Donny isn’t going to return the next Skenes, he’s returning a younger Donny who makes no money.
So what does that do for the future talent base…..its not improved…..BDW will have his low payroll….and the future team will not be improved.
I challenged EC…..what has the team returned so far that jump starts this “rebuild”? Perhaps this lefty from Boston has a future…..is it a lock??

I guess we’ll ignore the 18mil form MIles too…..
Guess we forgot about that in the little equation up top
18 Miles+20 Gray but we add 12mil because we don’t have any SP…….38mil gone from starting staff but we added 12mil and Fitts(820,00)
38MIlLION offloaded from starting rotation and 13mil ADDED….I say dumping salary….Cuse says I’m stupid
Cuse you got a calculator???

Rebuilding teams spend less.

I don’t think he’s intelligent enough to grasp the concept of how a rebuild works

I’ll type really slow for you fellas….
When Gray was signed I said it was stupid to spend that much money on a 5’10 180 mid 30s fella who had an odd tract record of leaving games early. Turns out the man has an issue with grip in the summer heat.
When they signed WC I said it was stupid because they had Defensive catchers and they needed to spend $$ on OF and pitching. Well WC didn’t really work out at catcher did he?? If you want to go with the story he’s a great offensive weapon have at it….
If you think replacing May(7-11, 5ERA, 1.421Whip) and Fitts(2-4, 5ERA, 1.311Whip) 13mil TOTAL is “rebuilding” good for you
But to the Keen eye BDW dumped 25mil off his starting rotation…..if you want to include Fedde and Matz that’s another 20mil
But But But that minor league LH SP from Boston……..MIGHT be something in the future….

[sikeston bulldog2]

Donny will return a younger cheaper version of himself or lesser talent player. If you haven’t noticed the real mission is to drop payroll and HOPE some of these returning players don’t embarrass BDW/Bloom too much

Why dump salary on an outstanding, fairly young player like Donovan? Unless the return is extravagant. I like the thought of having really fine hitters like Donovan, Herrera, Burleson and, hopefully, Wetherholt in the lineup, together, for a few seasons.

Goldfan is wrong.

They’re not trying to dump salary. They are trying to acquire prospects.

What flavor is that “Cool-aid “ your drinking!

Okay, so all we have to go by so far is Gray, a trade where they ate 20mil in order to get a better return: two pitchers.

We also have the May signing: a deal which COST them 12 million.

So, Hoosier, where is the salary dump?

Also, there are talks about signing ANOTHER starting pitcher to a one year deal, probably at least an 8-12 mil contract.

With knowing ALL of this, they stand to dump NO money on the Gray deal, but rather instead trading a contract with one year remaining and gaining 1) a prospect 2) a young pitcher w control in Fritts, and 3) two vets to hold down the rotation and maybe flip at the deadline.

So where is the salary dump?

Gray was owed 35mil in ‘26 with club option for 30mil and 5mil buyout in ‘27. So that’s 40mil 40-20=20mil saved
So you want to throw in May at 12…..thats 8mil. Donny is 6mi…..14mil saved
14 mil here and there….you’re dumping salary

1) Has Donovan been traded yet??
2) And if he is traded you ALREADY KNOW that the players they receive will make far less than $6M???
3) Are you saying they should have held onto Gray for this season and next at a cost of $65M at his age????

Just when I thought you couldn’t whine any more and get any dumber!!!!

So Donny won’t be traded now??
What I’m saying is that the Cards payroll has been going down and will continue to go down as these vet contracts fall off.
But this isn’t a salary dump to genius’s like you…..you see the math…..what do you want to call it???
Donny isn’t going to return the next Skenes, he’s returning a younger Donny who makes no money.
So what does that do for the future talent base…..its not improved…..BDW will have his low payroll….and the future team will not be improved.
I challenged EC…..what has the team returned so far that jump starts this “rebuild”? Perhaps this lefty from Boston has a future…..is it a lock??

I guess we’ll ignore the 18mil form MIles too…..
Guess we forgot about that in the little equation up top
18 Miles+20 Gray but we add 12mil because we don’t have any SP…….38mil gone from starting staff but we added 12mil and Fitts(820,00)
38MIlLION offloaded from starting rotation and 13mil ADDED….I say dumping salary….Cuse says I’m stupid
Cuse you got a calculator???

Rebuilding teams spend less.

I don’t think he’s intelligent enough to grasp the concept of how a rebuild works

I’ll type really slow for you fellas….
When Gray was signed I said it was stupid to spend that much money on a 5’10 180 mid 30s fella who had an odd tract record of leaving games early. Turns out the man has an issue with grip in the summer heat.
When they signed WC I said it was stupid because they had Defensive catchers and they needed to spend $$ on OF and pitching. Well WC didn’t really work out at catcher did he?? If you want to go with the story he’s a great offensive weapon have at it….
If you think replacing May(7-11, 5ERA, 1.421Whip) and Fitts(2-4, 5ERA, 1.311Whip) 13mil TOTAL is “rebuilding” good for you
But to the Keen eye BDW dumped 25mil off his starting rotation…..if you want to include Fedde and Matz that’s another 20mil
But But But that minor league LH SP from Boston……..MIGHT be something in the future….

I look at our situation like I do when someone is stuck in the snow; sometimes you need just a pickup truck to help, sometimes you need the wrecker.

[Goldfan]

Why dump salary on an outstanding, fairly young player like Donovan? Unless the return is extravagant. I like the thought of having really fine hitters like Donovan, Herrera, Burleson and, hopefully, Wetherholt in the lineup, together, for a few seasons.

Goldfan is wrong.

They’re not trying to dump salary. They are trying to acquire prospects.

What flavor is that “Cool-aid “ your drinking!

Okay, so all we have to go by so far is Gray, a trade where they ate 20mil in order to get a better return: two pitchers.

We also have the May signing: a deal which COST them 12 million.

So, Hoosier, where is the salary dump?

Also, there are talks about signing ANOTHER starting pitcher to a one year deal, probably at least an 8-12 mil contract.

With knowing ALL of this, they stand to dump NO money on the Gray deal, but rather instead trading a contract with one year remaining and gaining 1) a prospect 2) a young pitcher w control in Fritts, and 3) two vets to hold down the rotation and maybe flip at the deadline.

So where is the salary dump?

Gray was owed 35mil in ‘26 with club option for 30mil and 5mil buyout in ‘27. So that’s 40mil 40-20=20mil saved
So you want to throw in May at 12…..thats 8mil. Donny is 6mi…..14mil saved
14 mil here and there….you’re dumping salary

1) Has Donovan been traded yet??
2) And if he is traded you ALREADY KNOW that the players they receive will make far less than $6M???
3) Are you saying they should have held onto Gray for this season and next at a cost of $65M at his age????

Just when I thought you couldn’t whine any more and get any dumber!!!!

So Donny won’t be traded now??
What I’m saying is that the Cards payroll has been going down and will continue to go down as these vet contracts fall off.
But this isn’t a salary dump to genius’s like you…..you see the math…..what do you want to call it???
Donny isn’t going to return the next Skenes, he’s returning a younger Donny who makes no money.
So what does that do for the future talent base…..its not improved…..BDW will have his low payroll….and the future team will not be improved.
I challenged EC…..what has the team returned so far that jump starts this “rebuild”? Perhaps this lefty from Boston has a future…..is it a lock??

I guess we’ll ignore the 18mil form MIles too…..
Guess we forgot about that in the little equation up top
18 Miles+20 Gray but we add 12mil because we don’t have any SP…….38mil gone from starting staff but we added 12mil and Fitts(820,00)
38MIlLION offloaded from starting rotation and 13mil ADDED….I say dumping salary….Cuse says I’m stupid
Cuse you got a calculator???

Rebuilding teams spend less.

I don’t think he’s intelligent enough to grasp the concept of how a rebuild works

I’ll type really slow for you fellas….
When Gray was signed I said it was stupid to spend that much money on a 5’10 180 mid 30s fella who had an odd tract record of leaving games early. Turns out the man has an issue with grip in the summer heat.
When they signed WC I said it was stupid because they had Defensive catchers and they needed to spend $$ on OF and pitching. Well WC didn’t really work out at catcher did he?? If you want to go with the story he’s a great offensive weapon have at it….
If you think replacing May(7-11, 5ERA, 1.421Whip) and Fitts(2-4, 5ERA, 1.311Whip) 13mil TOTAL is “rebuilding” good for you
But to the Keen eye BDW dumped 25mil off his starting rotation…..if you want to include Fedde and Matz that’s another 20mil
But But But that minor league LH SP from Boston……..MIGHT be something in the future….

I look at our situation like I do when someone is stuck in the snow; sometimes you need just a pickup truck to help, sometimes you need the wrecker.

2 ways BDW could’ve gone
Spend and ADD to the talent already on the team and attempt to WIN
Or
Dump all his $$ contracts like he is…..to “Rebuild”
Amazingly you can still draft and build minors while spending and winning in MLB so thats not the issue
So the argument is they must DUMP vet contract to receive talented prospects to “rebuild”
I don’t see these talented prospects….perhaps the lefty from Boston.
Do you think Donny really returns some top notch Prospect??
Who’s remaining to bring the top prospects? NA, WC, Noot???
40mil has been offloaded from Starting Pitching since last season….with one lefty who MIGHT be something in future

[Goldfan]

Donny will return a younger cheaper version of himself or lesser talent player. If you haven’t noticed the real mission is to drop payroll and HOPE some of these returning players don’t embarrass BDW/Bloom too much

Donovan isn't being rumored due to his salary.

Ok, what’s he being moved for? He’s still young, he’s a proven performer, great teammate, perfect STL type player. So what’s the calculus here?
Forfeiting WINNING and Salary Today for HOPE of non proven, MUCH cheaper players in return who no one has any clue whether they’ll ever become Donovan much less better.
BDW is going cheap a few years(rebuilding) hoping to return players who will be better than what today’s roster presents.
This thought that Bloom can’t draft, build minors, and have a contending MLB team now is ridiculous.
So far two 5.00ERA SP have been brought in and a minor league lefty with injury issues…..(Rebuilding)
I don’t think you get anything better than Donovan in return for him….so you have a younger CHEAPER player….you haven’t improved quality
This is an exercise for BDW is go cheap for 2,3,4 yrs promising glory from a homegrown system producing Allstars. When has that happened in modern Cards history??

[sikeston bulldog2]

Donny will return a younger cheaper version of himself or lesser talent player. If you haven’t noticed the real mission is to drop payroll and HOPE some of these returning players don’t embarrass BDW/Bloom too much

Donovan isn't being rumored due to his salary.

Ok, what’s he being moved for? He’s still young, he’s a proven performer, great teammate, perfect STL type player. So what’s the calculus here?
Forfeiting WINNING and Salary Today for HOPE of non proven, MUCH cheaper players in return who no one has any clue whether they’ll ever become Donovan much less better.
BDW is going cheap a few years(rebuilding) hoping to return players who will be better than what today’s roster presents.
This thought that Bloom can’t draft, build minors, and have a contending MLB team now is ridiculous.
So far two 5.00ERA SP have been brought in and a minor league lefty with injury issues…..(Rebuilding)
I don’t think you get anything better than Donovan in return for him….so you have a younger CHEAPER player….you haven’t improved quality
This is an exercise for BDW is go cheap for 2,3,4 yrs promising glory from a homegrown system producing Allstars. When has that happened in modern Cards history??

Nice write. The prospect hoarding theory is like sales or military. It’s got to do with saturation.

The more you got the better the odds one will make. Tried true and proven.

[ecleme22]

Donny will return a younger cheaper version of himself or lesser talent player. If you haven’t noticed the real mission is to drop payroll and HOPE some of these returning players don’t embarrass BDW/Bloom too much

Why dump salary on an outstanding, fairly young player like Donovan? Unless the return is extravagant. I like the thought of having really fine hitters like Donovan, Herrera, Burleson and, hopefully, Wetherholt in the lineup, together, for a few seasons.

Goldfan is wrong.

They’re not trying to dump salary. They are trying to acquire prospects.

What flavor is that “Cool-aid “ your drinking!

Okay, so all we have to go by so far is Gray, a trade where they ate 20mil in order to get a better return: two pitchers.

We also have the May signing: a deal which COST them 12 million.

So, Hoosier, where is the salary dump?

Also, there are talks about signing ANOTHER starting pitcher to a one year deal, probably at least an 8-12 mil contract.

With knowing ALL of this, they stand to dump NO money on the Gray deal, but rather instead trading a contract with one year remaining and gaining 1) a prospect 2) a young pitcher w control in Fritts, and 3) two vets to hold down the rotation and maybe flip at the deadline.

So where is the salary dump?

Gray was owed 35mil in ‘26 with club option for 30mil and 5mil buyout in ‘27. So that’s 40mil 40-20=20mil saved
So you want to throw in May at 12…..thats 8mil. Donny is 6mi…..14mil saved
14 mil here and there….you’re dumping salary

1) Has Donovan been traded yet??
2) And if he is traded you ALREADY KNOW that the players they receive will make far less than $6M???
3) Are you saying they should have held onto Gray for this season and next at a cost of $65M at his age????

Just when I thought you couldn’t whine any more and get any dumber!!!!

So Donny won’t be traded now??
What I’m saying is that the Cards payroll has been going down and will continue to go down as these vet contracts fall off.
But this isn’t a salary dump to genius’s like you…..you see the math…..what do you want to call it???
Donny isn’t going to return the next Skenes, he’s returning a younger Donny who makes no money.
So what does that do for the future talent base…..its not improved…..BDW will have his low payroll….and the future team will not be improved.
I challenged EC…..what has the team returned so far that jump starts this “rebuild”? Perhaps this lefty from Boston has a future…..is it a lock??

I guess we’ll ignore the 18mil form MIles too…..
Guess we forgot about that in the little equation up top
18 Miles+20 Gray but we add 12mil because we don’t have any SP…….38mil gone from starting staff but we added 12mil and Fitts(820,00)
38MIlLION offloaded from starting rotation and 13mil ADDED….I say dumping salary….Cuse says I’m stupid
Cuse you got a calculator???

Rebuilding teams spend less.

I don’t think he’s intelligent enough to grasp the concept of how a rebuild works

I’ll type really slow for you fellas….
When Gray was signed I said it was stupid to spend that much money on a 5’10 180 mid 30s fella who had an odd tract record of leaving games early. Turns out the man has an issue with grip in the summer heat.
When they signed WC I said it was stupid because they had Defensive catchers and they needed to spend $$ on OF and pitching. Well WC didn’t really work out at catcher did he?? If you want to go with the story he’s a great offensive weapon have at it….
If you think replacing May(7-11, 5ERA, 1.421Whip) and Fitts(2-4, 5ERA, 1.311Whip) 13mil TOTAL is “rebuilding” good for you
But to the Keen eye BDW dumped 25mil off his starting rotation…..if you want to include Fedde and Matz that’s another 20mil
But But But that minor league LH SP from Boston……..MIGHT be something in the future….

Sonny Gray gets you:
1) Red Sox #5 prospect, who throws 99mph.
2) Fitts, who was just recently the Sox #11 prospect
3) Dustin May (FA pitcher, hopefully rebounds), if he rebounds, he’s traded at the deadline for prospects.
4) FA pitcher (1 year 8-12mil), if he does well, traded at the deadline.


So Gray trade/contract scored at least 2 good prospects, at possibly as much as 4 or 5.

That’s rebuilding.

Welcome to the conversation…

[Goldfan]

Why dump salary on an outstanding, fairly young player like Donovan? Unless the return is extravagant. I like the thought of having really fine hitters like Donovan, Herrera, Burleson and, hopefully, Wetherholt in the lineup, together, for a few seasons.

Goldfan is wrong.

They’re not trying to dump salary. They are trying to acquire prospects.

What flavor is that “Cool-aid “ your drinking!

Okay, so all we have to go by so far is Gray, a trade where they ate 20mil in order to get a better return: two pitchers.

We also have the May signing: a deal which COST them 12 million.

So, Hoosier, where is the salary dump?

Also, there are talks about signing ANOTHER starting pitcher to a one year deal, probably at least an 8-12 mil contract.

With knowing ALL of this, they stand to dump NO money on the Gray deal, but rather instead trading a contract with one year remaining and gaining 1) a prospect 2) a young pitcher w control in Fritts, and 3) two vets to hold down the rotation and maybe flip at the deadline.

So where is the salary dump?

Gray was owed 35mil in ‘26 with club option for 30mil and 5mil buyout in ‘27. So that’s 40mil 40-20=20mil saved
So you want to throw in May at 12…..thats 8mil. Donny is 6mi…..14mil saved
14 mil here and there….you’re dumping salary

1) Has Donovan been traded yet??
2) And if he is traded you ALREADY KNOW that the players they receive will make far less than $6M???
3) Are you saying they should have held onto Gray for this season and next at a cost of $65M at his age????

Just when I thought you couldn’t whine any more and get any dumber!!!!

So Donny won’t be traded now??
What I’m saying is that the Cards payroll has been going down and will continue to go down as these vet contracts fall off.
But this isn’t a salary dump to genius’s like you…..you see the math…..what do you want to call it???
Donny isn’t going to return the next Skenes, he’s returning a younger Donny who makes no money.
So what does that do for the future talent base…..its not improved…..BDW will have his low payroll….and the future team will not be improved.
I challenged EC…..what has the team returned so far that jump starts this “rebuild”? Perhaps this lefty from Boston has a future…..is it a lock??

I guess we’ll ignore the 18mil form MIles too…..
Guess we forgot about that in the little equation up top
18 Miles+20 Gray but we add 12mil because we don’t have any SP…….38mil gone from starting staff but we added 12mil and Fitts(820,00)
38MIlLION offloaded from starting rotation and 13mil ADDED….I say dumping salary….Cuse says I’m stupid
Cuse you got a calculator???

Rebuilding teams spend less.

I don’t think he’s intelligent enough to grasp the concept of how a rebuild works

I’ll type really slow for you fellas….
When Gray was signed I said it was stupid to spend that much money on a 5’10 180 mid 30s fella who had an odd tract record of leaving games early. Turns out the man has an issue with grip in the summer heat.
When they signed WC I said it was stupid because they had Defensive catchers and they needed to spend $$ on OF and pitching. Well WC didn’t really work out at catcher did he?? If you want to go with the story he’s a great offensive weapon have at it….
If you think replacing May(7-11, 5ERA, 1.421Whip) and Fitts(2-4, 5ERA, 1.311Whip) 13mil TOTAL is “rebuilding” good for you
But to the Keen eye BDW dumped 25mil off his starting rotation…..if you want to include Fedde and Matz that’s another 20mil
But But But that minor league LH SP from Boston……..MIGHT be something in the future….

Sonny Gray gets you:
1) Red Sox #5 prospect, who throws 99mph.
2) Fitts, who was just recently the Sox #11 prospect
3) Dustin May (FA pitcher, hopefully rebounds), if he rebounds, he’s traded at the deadline for prospects.
4) FA pitcher (1 year 8-12mil), if he does well, traded at the deadline.


So Gray trade/contract scored at least 2 good prospects, at possibly as much as 4 or 5.

That’s rebuilding.

Welcome to the conversation…

So May and Fitts are part of this rebuild? Losing records and 5.00ERA…..OK
Who is this #4 on your list?

[Goldfan]

Donny will return a younger cheaper version of himself or lesser talent player. If you haven’t noticed the real mission is to drop payroll and HOPE some of these returning players don’t embarrass BDW/Bloom too much

Donovan isn't being rumored due to his salary.

Ok, what’s he being moved for? He’s still young, he’s a proven performer, great teammate, perfect STL type player. So what’s the calculus here?
Forfeiting WINNING and Salary Today for HOPE of non proven, MUCH cheaper players in return who no one has any clue whether they’ll ever become Donovan much less better.
BDW is going cheap a few years(rebuilding) hoping to return players who will be better than what today’s roster presents.
This thought that Bloom can’t draft, build minors, and have a contending MLB team now is ridiculous.
So far two 5.00ERA SP have been brought in and a minor league lefty with injury issues…..(Rebuilding)
I don’t think you get anything better than Donovan in return for him….so you have a younger CHEAPER player….you haven’t improved quality
This is an exercise for BDW is go cheap for 2,3,4 yrs promising glory from a homegrown system producing Allstars. When has that happened in modern Cards history??

Nice write. The prospect hoarding theory is like sales or military. It’s got to do with saturation.

The more you got the better the odds one will make. Tried true and proven.

BD
Is this a rebuild?
A “we’re still going compete?
A Tank?
If the intention is get as much youth(saturation) as possible then TANK. At this point will it affect stadium attendance much???
This seems like more [nonsense] from ownership bamboozling fans about COMPETING ”. Why spend 12mil on a MAY?? Go full tank. Start bodies from org
Bringing in an oft injured, 5.00ERA, losing record going on 29 doesn’t sound like “rebuild”. It sounds like going cheap

[ecleme22]

Goldfan is wrong.

They’re not trying to dump salary. They are trying to acquire prospects.

What flavor is that “Cool-aid “ your drinking!

Okay, so all we have to go by so far is Gray, a trade where they ate 20mil in order to get a better return: two pitchers.

We also have the May signing: a deal which COST them 12 million.

So, Hoosier, where is the salary dump?

Also, there are talks about signing ANOTHER starting pitcher to a one year deal, probably at least an 8-12 mil contract.

With knowing ALL of this, they stand to dump NO money on the Gray deal, but rather instead trading a contract with one year remaining and gaining 1) a prospect 2) a young pitcher w control in Fritts, and 3) two vets to hold down the rotation and maybe flip at the deadline.

So where is the salary dump?

Gray was owed 35mil in ‘26 with club option for 30mil and 5mil buyout in ‘27. So that’s 40mil 40-20=20mil saved
So you want to throw in May at 12…..thats 8mil. Donny is 6mi…..14mil saved
14 mil here and there….you’re dumping salary

1) Has Donovan been traded yet??
2) And if he is traded you ALREADY KNOW that the players they receive will make far less than $6M???
3) Are you saying they should have held onto Gray for this season and next at a cost of $65M at his age????

Just when I thought you couldn’t whine any more and get any dumber!!!!

So Donny won’t be traded now??
What I’m saying is that the Cards payroll has been going down and will continue to go down as these vet contracts fall off.
But this isn’t a salary dump to genius’s like you…..you see the math…..what do you want to call it???
Donny isn’t going to return the next Skenes, he’s returning a younger Donny who makes no money.
So what does that do for the future talent base…..its not improved…..BDW will have his low payroll….and the future team will not be improved.
I challenged EC…..what has the team returned so far that jump starts this “rebuild”? Perhaps this lefty from Boston has a future…..is it a lock??

I guess we’ll ignore the 18mil form MIles too…..
Guess we forgot about that in the little equation up top
18 Miles+20 Gray but we add 12mil because we don’t have any SP…….38mil gone from starting staff but we added 12mil and Fitts(820,00)
38MIlLION offloaded from starting rotation and 13mil ADDED….I say dumping salary….Cuse says I’m stupid
Cuse you got a calculator???

Rebuilding teams spend less.

I don’t think he’s intelligent enough to grasp the concept of how a rebuild works

I’ll type really slow for you fellas….
When Gray was signed I said it was stupid to spend that much money on a 5’10 180 mid 30s fella who had an odd tract record of leaving games early. Turns out the man has an issue with grip in the summer heat.
When they signed WC I said it was stupid because they had Defensive catchers and they needed to spend $$ on OF and pitching. Well WC didn’t really work out at catcher did he?? If you want to go with the story he’s a great offensive weapon have at it….
If you think replacing May(7-11, 5ERA, 1.421Whip) and Fitts(2-4, 5ERA, 1.311Whip) 13mil TOTAL is “rebuilding” good for you
But to the Keen eye BDW dumped 25mil off his starting rotation…..if you want to include Fedde and Matz that’s another 20mil
But But But that minor league LH SP from Boston……..MIGHT be something in the future….

Sonny Gray gets you:
1) Red Sox #5 prospect, who throws 99mph.
2) Fitts, who was just recently the Sox #11 prospect
3) Dustin May (FA pitcher, hopefully rebounds), if he rebounds, he’s traded at the deadline for prospects.
4) FA pitcher (1 year 8-12mil), if he does well, traded at the deadline.


So Gray trade/contract scored at least 2 good prospects, at possibly as much as 4 or 5.

That’s rebuilding.

Welcome to the conversation…

So May and Fitts are part of this rebuild? Losing records and 5.00ERA…..OK
Who is this #4 on your list?

May is part of the rebuild in the sense that he’s potentially flippable.

Fitts is still young. Also, Shane Baz had a 4.87 era but was just traded for four prospects. Sometimes one seasons era doesn’t tell the whole story.

Keep learning, bud.

[Cusecards]

What flavor is that “Cool-aid “ your drinking!

Okay, so all we have to go by so far is Gray, a trade where they ate 20mil in order to get a better return: two pitchers.

We also have the May signing: a deal which COST them 12 million.

So, Hoosier, where is the salary dump?

Also, there are talks about signing ANOTHER starting pitcher to a one year deal, probably at least an 8-12 mil contract.

With knowing ALL of this, they stand to dump NO money on the Gray deal, but rather instead trading a contract with one year remaining and gaining 1) a prospect 2) a young pitcher w control in Fritts, and 3) two vets to hold down the rotation and maybe flip at the deadline.

So where is the salary dump?

Gray was owed 35mil in ‘26 with club option for 30mil and 5mil buyout in ‘27. So that’s 40mil 40-20=20mil saved
So you want to throw in May at 12…..thats 8mil. Donny is 6mi…..14mil saved
14 mil here and there….you’re dumping salary

1) Has Donovan been traded yet??
2) And if he is traded you ALREADY KNOW that the players they receive will make far less than $6M???
3) Are you saying they should have held onto Gray for this season and next at a cost of $65M at his age????

Just when I thought you couldn’t whine any more and get any dumber!!!!

So Donny won’t be traded now??
What I’m saying is that the Cards payroll has been going down and will continue to go down as these vet contracts fall off.
But this isn’t a salary dump to genius’s like you…..you see the math…..what do you want to call it???
Donny isn’t going to return the next Skenes, he’s returning a younger Donny who makes no money.
So what does that do for the future talent base…..its not improved…..BDW will have his low payroll….and the future team will not be improved.
I challenged EC…..what has the team returned so far that jump starts this “rebuild”? Perhaps this lefty from Boston has a future…..is it a lock??

I guess we’ll ignore the 18mil form MIles too…..
Guess we forgot about that in the little equation up top
18 Miles+20 Gray but we add 12mil because we don’t have any SP…….38mil gone from starting staff but we added 12mil and Fitts(820,00)
38MIlLION offloaded from starting rotation and 13mil ADDED….I say dumping salary….Cuse says I’m stupid
Cuse you got a calculator???

Rebuilding teams spend less.

I don’t think he’s intelligent enough to grasp the concept of how a rebuild works

I’ll type really slow for you fellas….
When Gray was signed I said it was stupid to spend that much money on a 5’10 180 mid 30s fella who had an odd tract record of leaving games early. Turns out the man has an issue with grip in the summer heat.
When they signed WC I said it was stupid because they had Defensive catchers and they needed to spend $$ on OF and pitching. Well WC didn’t really work out at catcher did he?? If you want to go with the story he’s a great offensive weapon have at it….
If you think replacing May(7-11, 5ERA, 1.421Whip) and Fitts(2-4, 5ERA, 1.311Whip) 13mil TOTAL is “rebuilding” good for you
But to the Keen eye BDW dumped 25mil off his starting rotation…..if you want to include Fedde and Matz that’s another 20mil
But But But that minor league LH SP from Boston……..MIGHT be something in the future….

Sonny Gray gets you:
1) Red Sox #5 prospect, who throws 99mph.
2) Fitts, who was just recently the Sox #11 prospect
3) Dustin May (FA pitcher, hopefully rebounds), if he rebounds, he’s traded at the deadline for prospects.
4) FA pitcher (1 year 8-12mil), if he does well, traded at the deadline.


So Gray trade/contract scored at least 2 good prospects, at possibly as much as 4 or 5.

That’s rebuilding.

Welcome to the conversation…

So May and Fitts are part of this rebuild? Losing records and 5.00ERA…..OK
Who is this #4 on your list?

May is part of the rebuild in the sense that he’s potentially flippable.

Fitts is still young. Also, Shane Baz had a 4.87 era but was just traded for four prospects. Sometimes one seasons era doesn’t tell the whole story.

Keep learning, bud.

Ecleme.....I have to commend you. You have taken the baton TODAY from myself and NUMEROUS other posters.
I wish you luck and applaud you in your efforts!
Hopefully someone else takes the GF Baton from you tomorrow??

[Goldfan]

What flavor is that “Cool-aid “ your drinking!

Okay, so all we have to go by so far is Gray, a trade where they ate 20mil in order to get a better return: two pitchers.

We also have the May signing: a deal which COST them 12 million.

So, Hoosier, where is the salary dump?

Also, there are talks about signing ANOTHER starting pitcher to a one year deal, probably at least an 8-12 mil contract.

With knowing ALL of this, they stand to dump NO money on the Gray deal, but rather instead trading a contract with one year remaining and gaining 1) a prospect 2) a young pitcher w control in Fritts, and 3) two vets to hold down the rotation and maybe flip at the deadline.

So where is the salary dump?

Gray was owed 35mil in ‘26 with club option for 30mil and 5mil buyout in ‘27. So that’s 40mil 40-20=20mil saved
So you want to throw in May at 12…..thats 8mil. Donny is 6mi…..14mil saved
14 mil here and there….you’re dumping salary

1) Has Donovan been traded yet??
2) And if he is traded you ALREADY KNOW that the players they receive will make far less than $6M???
3) Are you saying they should have held onto Gray for this season and next at a cost of $65M at his age????

Just when I thought you couldn’t whine any more and get any dumber!!!!

So Donny won’t be traded now??
What I’m saying is that the Cards payroll has been going down and will continue to go down as these vet contracts fall off.
But this isn’t a salary dump to genius’s like you…..you see the math…..what do you want to call it???
Donny isn’t going to return the next Skenes, he’s returning a younger Donny who makes no money.
So what does that do for the future talent base…..its not improved…..BDW will have his low payroll….and the future team will not be improved.
I challenged EC…..what has the team returned so far that jump starts this “rebuild”? Perhaps this lefty from Boston has a future…..is it a lock??

I guess we’ll ignore the 18mil form MIles too…..
Guess we forgot about that in the little equation up top
18 Miles+20 Gray but we add 12mil because we don’t have any SP…….38mil gone from starting staff but we added 12mil and Fitts(820,00)
38MIlLION offloaded from starting rotation and 13mil ADDED….I say dumping salary….Cuse says I’m stupid
Cuse you got a calculator???

Rebuilding teams spend less.

I don’t think he’s intelligent enough to grasp the concept of how a rebuild works

I’ll type really slow for you fellas….
When Gray was signed I said it was stupid to spend that much money on a 5’10 180 mid 30s fella who had an odd tract record of leaving games early. Turns out the man has an issue with grip in the summer heat.
When they signed WC I said it was stupid because they had Defensive catchers and they needed to spend $$ on OF and pitching. Well WC didn’t really work out at catcher did he?? If you want to go with the story he’s a great offensive weapon have at it….
If you think replacing May(7-11, 5ERA, 1.421Whip) and Fitts(2-4, 5ERA, 1.311Whip) 13mil TOTAL is “rebuilding” good for you
But to the Keen eye BDW dumped 25mil off his starting rotation…..if you want to include Fedde and Matz that’s another 20mil
But But But that minor league LH SP from Boston……..MIGHT be something in the future….

Sonny Gray gets you:
1) Red Sox #5 prospect, who throws 99mph.
2) Fitts, who was just recently the Sox #11 prospect
3) Dustin May (FA pitcher, hopefully rebounds), if he rebounds, he’s traded at the deadline for prospects.
4) FA pitcher (1 year 8-12mil), if he does well, traded at the deadline.


So Gray trade/contract scored at least 2 good prospects, at possibly as much as 4 or 5.

That’s rebuilding.

Welcome to the conversation…

So May and Fitts are part of this rebuild? Losing records and 5.00ERA…..OK
Who is this #4 on your list?

May is part of the rebuild in the sense that he’s potentially flippable.

Fitts is still young. Also, Shane Baz had a 4.87 era but was just traded for four prospects. Sometimes one seasons era doesn’t tell the whole story.

Keep learning, bud.

So you’re going with the “KEEP Fedde and Miles” because they’ll pitch so well up to deadline that teams will be beating down doors to acquire them??
Sure….you and Cuse keep teaching me…this is fun
They Paid May 12mil so he won’t suck as bad as he did last season and someone will give a worthy prospect???
Please don’t’ the bell ring teacher….

[ecleme22]

Okay, so all we have to go by so far is Gray, a trade where they ate 20mil in order to get a better return: two pitchers.

We also have the May signing: a deal which COST them 12 million.

So, Hoosier, where is the salary dump?

Also, there are talks about signing ANOTHER starting pitcher to a one year deal, probably at least an 8-12 mil contract.

With knowing ALL of this, they stand to dump NO money on the Gray deal, but rather instead trading a contract with one year remaining and gaining 1) a prospect 2) a young pitcher w control in Fritts, and 3) two vets to hold down the rotation and maybe flip at the deadline.

So where is the salary dump?

Gray was owed 35mil in ‘26 with club option for 30mil and 5mil buyout in ‘27. So that’s 40mil 40-20=20mil saved
So you want to throw in May at 12…..thats 8mil. Donny is 6mi…..14mil saved
14 mil here and there….you’re dumping salary

1) Has Donovan been traded yet??
2) And if he is traded you ALREADY KNOW that the players they receive will make far less than $6M???
3) Are you saying they should have held onto Gray for this season and next at a cost of $65M at his age????

Just when I thought you couldn’t whine any more and get any dumber!!!!

So Donny won’t be traded now??
What I’m saying is that the Cards payroll has been going down and will continue to go down as these vet contracts fall off.
But this isn’t a salary dump to genius’s like you…..you see the math…..what do you want to call it???
Donny isn’t going to return the next Skenes, he’s returning a younger Donny who makes no money.
So what does that do for the future talent base…..its not improved…..BDW will have his low payroll….and the future team will not be improved.
I challenged EC…..what has the team returned so far that jump starts this “rebuild”? Perhaps this lefty from Boston has a future…..is it a lock??

I guess we’ll ignore the 18mil form MIles too…..
Guess we forgot about that in the little equation up top
18 Miles+20 Gray but we add 12mil because we don’t have any SP…….38mil gone from starting staff but we added 12mil and Fitts(820,00)
38MIlLION offloaded from starting rotation and 13mil ADDED….I say dumping salary….Cuse says I’m stupid
Cuse you got a calculator???

Rebuilding teams spend less.

I don’t think he’s intelligent enough to grasp the concept of how a rebuild works

I’ll type really slow for you fellas….
When Gray was signed I said it was stupid to spend that much money on a 5’10 180 mid 30s fella who had an odd tract record of leaving games early. Turns out the man has an issue with grip in the summer heat.
When they signed WC I said it was stupid because they had Defensive catchers and they needed to spend $$ on OF and pitching. Well WC didn’t really work out at catcher did he?? If you want to go with the story he’s a great offensive weapon have at it….
If you think replacing May(7-11, 5ERA, 1.421Whip) and Fitts(2-4, 5ERA, 1.311Whip) 13mil TOTAL is “rebuilding” good for you
But to the Keen eye BDW dumped 25mil off his starting rotation…..if you want to include Fedde and Matz that’s another 20mil
But But But that minor league LH SP from Boston……..MIGHT be something in the future….

Sonny Gray gets you:
1) Red Sox #5 prospect, who throws 99mph.
2) Fitts, who was just recently the Sox #11 prospect
3) Dustin May (FA pitcher, hopefully rebounds), if he rebounds, he’s traded at the deadline for prospects.
4) FA pitcher (1 year 8-12mil), if he does well, traded at the deadline.


So Gray trade/contract scored at least 2 good prospects, at possibly as much as 4 or 5.

That’s rebuilding.

Welcome to the conversation…

So May and Fitts are part of this rebuild? Losing records and 5.00ERA…..OK
Who is this #4 on your list?

May is part of the rebuild in the sense that he’s potentially flippable.

Fitts is still young. Also, Shane Baz had a 4.87 era but was just traded for four prospects. Sometimes one seasons era doesn’t tell the whole story.

Keep learning, bud.

Ecleme.....I have to commend you. You have taken the baton TODAY from myself and NUMEROUS other posters.
I wish you luck and applaud you in your efforts!
Hopefully someone else takes the GF Baton from you tomorrow??

Thanks brother.

I’m really surprised by the lack of understanding from some CTers.

I really like what Bloom appears to be doing, but it’s also something we’ve seen before in various ways from various organizations.

The whole “I don’t know what bloom is doing or what I’m seeing” faction on CardsTalk is odd.

[Goldfan]

Okay, so all we have to go by so far is Gray, a trade where they ate 20mil in order to get a better return: two pitchers.

We also have the May signing: a deal which COST them 12 million.

So, Hoosier, where is the salary dump?

Also, there are talks about signing ANOTHER starting pitcher to a one year deal, probably at least an 8-12 mil contract.

With knowing ALL of this, they stand to dump NO money on the Gray deal, but rather instead trading a contract with one year remaining and gaining 1) a prospect 2) a young pitcher w control in Fritts, and 3) two vets to hold down the rotation and maybe flip at the deadline.

So where is the salary dump?

Gray was owed 35mil in ‘26 with club option for 30mil and 5mil buyout in ‘27. So that’s 40mil 40-20=20mil saved
So you want to throw in May at 12…..thats 8mil. Donny is 6mi…..14mil saved
14 mil here and there….you’re dumping salary

1) Has Donovan been traded yet??
2) And if he is traded you ALREADY KNOW that the players they receive will make far less than $6M???
3) Are you saying they should have held onto Gray for this season and next at a cost of $65M at his age????

Just when I thought you couldn’t whine any more and get any dumber!!!!

So Donny won’t be traded now??
What I’m saying is that the Cards payroll has been going down and will continue to go down as these vet contracts fall off.
But this isn’t a salary dump to genius’s like you…..you see the math…..what do you want to call it???
Donny isn’t going to return the next Skenes, he’s returning a younger Donny who makes no money.
So what does that do for the future talent base…..its not improved…..BDW will have his low payroll….and the future team will not be improved.
I challenged EC…..what has the team returned so far that jump starts this “rebuild”? Perhaps this lefty from Boston has a future…..is it a lock??

I guess we’ll ignore the 18mil form MIles too…..
Guess we forgot about that in the little equation up top
18 Miles+20 Gray but we add 12mil because we don’t have any SP…….38mil gone from starting staff but we added 12mil and Fitts(820,00)
38MIlLION offloaded from starting rotation and 13mil ADDED….I say dumping salary….Cuse says I’m stupid
Cuse you got a calculator???

Rebuilding teams spend less.

I don’t think he’s intelligent enough to grasp the concept of how a rebuild works

I’ll type really slow for you fellas….
When Gray was signed I said it was stupid to spend that much money on a 5’10 180 mid 30s fella who had an odd tract record of leaving games early. Turns out the man has an issue with grip in the summer heat.
When they signed WC I said it was stupid because they had Defensive catchers and they needed to spend $$ on OF and pitching. Well WC didn’t really work out at catcher did he?? If you want to go with the story he’s a great offensive weapon have at it….
If you think replacing May(7-11, 5ERA, 1.421Whip) and Fitts(2-4, 5ERA, 1.311Whip) 13mil TOTAL is “rebuilding” good for you
But to the Keen eye BDW dumped 25mil off his starting rotation…..if you want to include Fedde and Matz that’s another 20mil
But But But that minor league LH SP from Boston……..MIGHT be something in the future….

Sonny Gray gets you:
1) Red Sox #5 prospect, who throws 99mph.
2) Fitts, who was just recently the Sox #11 prospect
3) Dustin May (FA pitcher, hopefully rebounds), if he rebounds, he’s traded at the deadline for prospects.
4) FA pitcher (1 year 8-12mil), if he does well, traded at the deadline.


So Gray trade/contract scored at least 2 good prospects, at possibly as much as 4 or 5.

That’s rebuilding.

Welcome to the conversation…

So May and Fitts are part of this rebuild? Losing records and 5.00ERA…..OK
Who is this #4 on your list?

May is part of the rebuild in the sense that he’s potentially flippable.

Fitts is still young. Also, Shane Baz had a 4.87 era but was just traded for four prospects. Sometimes one seasons era doesn’t tell the whole story.

Keep learning, bud.

Ecleme.....I have to commend you. You have taken the baton TODAY from myself and NUMEROUS other posters.
I wish you luck and applaud you in your efforts!
Hopefully someone else takes the GF Baton from you tomorrow??

Cuse you must under the illusion that YOU and Other Posters have ANY clue what you’re talking about other than what has been force fed from the same ownership you’ve been cheering on for years while they destroy the team….