So how good will Mailloux be?

[Cahokanut]

No. It wasn't. One guy had stats much alike most first year, NHL hall of Famers

just noticed this. truly pitiful. actual lol

Pitiful you didn't know it.

Too funny

[Cahokanut]

Army is going to have to pay Snuggerud, Holloway and Broberg in the near term after already committing to Buch, Thomas and Kyrou. There simply isnt a space here for Bolduc.

Just another instance of keeping the wrong guys, and shipping out the good ones.

Who were they supposed to get rid of instead of Bolduc?
Thomas? Kyrou? Buch?
Theyve all outperformed Bolduc on a daily basis.

They didn't have to trade anyone., yet. The right move was to hold.
However.
Neighbour is/was the right answer. If someone was to move. He is a poor man's Backes. Who had the value of a up and coming 2nd line power forward and the type of guy we have plenty of.

actually backwards. STL doesn't have a ton of PF's, but they DO have more than a few skilled wingers

Who you got.

Kyrou, Tex, and some times Thomas............ Blues on the roster, I wouldn't consider, 'power forward. The rest will have PF on their draft cards

skill guys:
thomas
kyrou
snuggerud
tex

tweeners (more skill than pf attributes):
holloway
buch*
schenn*
suter
(* argument could be made they play enough of a PF style, but to me more 200' guys)

PF:
neighbors

the rest are what they are

This is what you believe?

As I'm going by draft card.

[Harry S Deals]

Army is going to have to pay Snuggerud, Holloway and Broberg in the near term after already committing to Buch, Thomas and Kyrou. There simply isnt a space here for Bolduc.

Just another instance of keeping the wrong guys, and shipping out the good ones.

Who were they supposed to get rid of instead of Bolduc?
Thomas? Kyrou? Buch?
Theyve all outperformed Bolduc on a daily basis.

They didn't have to trade anyone., yet. The right move was to hold.
However.
Neighbour is/was the right answer. If someone was to move. He is a poor man's Backes. Who had the value of a up and coming 2nd line power forward and the type of guy we have plenty of.

actually backwards. STL doesn't have a ton of PF's, but they DO have more than a few skilled wingers

Who you got.

Kyrou, Tex, and some times Thomas............ Blues on the roster, I wouldn't consider, 'power forward. The rest will have PF on their draft cards

skill guys:
thomas
kyrou
snuggerud
tex

tweeners (more skill than pf attributes):
holloway
buch*
schenn*
suter
(* argument could be made they play enough of a PF style, but to me more 200' guys)

PF:
neighbors

the rest are what they are

This is what you believe?

As I'm going by draft card.

Lol who cares what their draft card says the Blues werent trading Jake Neighbours. His value right now today in the NHL is a helluva lot higher than Bolduc whos done next to nothing in the NHL yet. Jake Neighbours at 23 years old is one the best forwards from his draft class already 56 goals in 211 NHL games. Only Peterka has better draft capital taken back at #34. Lucas Raymond (#4, 2020) only has 42 more goals than Jake but has played in 109 more NHL games. If Army was trading Jake Neighbours around the NHL the return would be a lot higher than Logan Mailloux.
Neighbours played in 82 games last year, 22 goals, 46 points EVEN, 173 Hits and thats 18 EV strength goals btw. This is a guy you build a contender with

[stlsportsfan15]

In the end, this was a trade for 2 solid 22 year olds who both project as solid secondary players. Not stars but legit NHLers. Bolduc is a bit more proven at the moment but Mailloux plays the much more premium position. As Army said, we’ll find out in time how well each team did in this trade.

Bolduc was 8th in scoring and #1 in +/- among all rookies. He is projected more than a role player.

Bolduc also had hardly any ice time in the playoffs (lowest other than Matthew Joseph of forwards who received any ice time). Army also didn’t shine rainbows about his game prior to the trade. There were comments made like “he will have a shorter leash on his mistakes in his 2nd season than he did as a rookie”. This tells me that while to many (including myself) it seemed he played well, the blues might not have loved his game. If they liked him, I would expect a comment like “he outplayed our expectations this year, and while there may have been some bumps along the way, but we expect he will continue to progress and be a contributor in our top 9 going forward.”

As soon as I saw the “shorter leash” comment, it made me feel his time here was ticking.

[stlsportsfan15]

If Mailloux turns into a 3/4 guy he should meet our expectations.
Nobody thinks he's a 1st pairing guy....right? He's not going to match Bolducs production but he could exceed Bolducs importance on the team... eventually.

I expect him to be a decent second pairing guy that contributes on the power play. I also expect Bolduc to be a solid middle 6 forward, a la Neighbours. If both play out that way, I’d rather have mailloux.

[BalotelliMassive]

Montreal sure is dumb for trading a top four defenseman that can punch harder than he can shoot for a third line bum that overachieved last season.

[Aesa]

Montreal sure is dumb for trading a top four defenseman that can punch harder than he can shoot for a third line bum that overachieved last season.

Bolduc may be a lot of things but BUM ain't one of them. I wish him the best of luck and look forward to Montreal kicking the [shirt] out of the Chickenhawks every time they play them this year.

[stlsportsfan15]

Montreal sure is dumb for trading a top four defenseman that can punch harder than he can shoot for a third line bum that overachieved last season.

I don’t think Montreal is dumb and this is a major twisting of words.

Bolduc is the more proven player today, however, he may very well just be a solid 3rd line player. No one thinks he’s an overachieving bum. It was a position of strength for the blues though and his numbers are inflated from a hot stretch.

Mailloux is not currently a top 4 dman, but the expectation is that he would one day become that. Even if he becomes a bottom pairing dman that contributes on the pp I will take it. It is also a much higher position of need for the blues than wing.

Day 1, Montreal wins the trade. 5 years from now? If mailloux develops, and I don’t think we make the trade if army didn’t like his game, then I think the blues win it.

[dr0zombie]

Montreal sure is dumb for trading a top four defenseman that can punch harder than he can shoot for a third line bum that overachieved last season.

I presume that is sarcasm, but it is a bit unfair. This is just two teams trading solid futures from positions of strength/over abundance within their pipelines.

Before Noah Dobson you had a lot of fans predicting Mailloux as a future top four defenseman. With Noah Dobson they don't have room.

With Zack Bolduc the Blues had a solid middle six guy who was on a team maturing a lot of solid middle six guys.

This trade should just work out for both teams. Some people seem to be troubled that this could just be a good hockey trade.

[BalotelliMassive]

Montreal sure is dumb for trading a top four defenseman that can punch harder than he can shoot for a third line bum that overachieved last season.

I presume that is sarcasm, but it is a bit unfair. This is just two teams trading solid futures from positions of strength/over abundance within their pipelines.

Before Noah Dobson you had a lot of fans predicting Mailloux as a future top four defenseman. With Noah Dobson they don't have room.

With Zack Bolduc the Blues had a solid middle six guy who was on a team maturing a lot of solid middle six guys.

This trade should just work out for both teams. Some people seem to be troubled that this could just be a good hockey trade.

This board is trending towards posting something like I did above.

Nobody knows how this will work out - nobody here actually watched him play in the AHL so these conversations are hilarious.

[Aesa]

Montreal sure is dumb for trading a top four defenseman that can punch harder than he can shoot for a third line bum that overachieved last season.

I presume that is sarcasm, but it is a bit unfair. This is just two teams trading solid futures from positions of strength/over abundance within their pipelines.

Before Noah Dobson you had a lot of fans predicting Mailloux as a future top four defenseman. With Noah Dobson they don't have room.

With Zack Bolduc the Blues had a solid middle six guy who was on a team maturing a lot of solid middle six guys.

This trade should just work out for both teams. Some people seem to be troubled that this could just be a good hockey trade.

The overwhelming majority of Blues fans would agree with this post, especially the last paragraph.

Hawks fans and other trolls... not so much.

[Harry York 37]

In the end, this was a trade for 2 solid 22 year olds who both project as solid secondary players. Not stars but legit NHLers. Bolduc is a bit more proven at the moment but Mailloux plays the much more premium position. As Army said, we’ll find out in time how well each team did in this trade.

Bolduc was 8th in scoring and #1 in +/- among all rookies. He is projected more than a role player.

Bolduc also had hardly any ice time in the playoffs (lowest other than Matthew Joseph of forwards who received any ice time). Army also didn’t shine rainbows about his game prior to the trade. There were comments made like “he will have a shorter leash on his mistakes in his 2nd season than he did as a rookie”. This tells me that while to many (including myself) it seemed he played well, the blues might not have loved his game. If they liked him, I would expect a comment like “he outplayed our expectations this year, and while there may have been some bumps along the way, but we expect he will continue to progress and be a contributor in our top 9 going forward.”

As soon as I saw the “shorter leash” comment, it made me feel his time here was ticking.

Like Kyrou, he made huge strides at the end of the regular season.
Like Kyrou, Zack had a very rude awakening about the second season.

[dr0zombie]

Montreal sure is dumb for trading a top four defenseman that can punch harder than he can shoot for a third line bum that overachieved last season.

I presume that is sarcasm, but it is a bit unfair. This is just two teams trading solid futures from positions of strength/over abundance within their pipelines.

Before Noah Dobson you had a lot of fans predicting Mailloux as a future top four defenseman. With Noah Dobson they don't have room.

With Zack Bolduc the Blues had a solid middle six guy who was on a team maturing a lot of solid middle six guys.

This trade should just work out for both teams. Some people seem to be troubled that this could just be a good hockey trade.

This board is trending towards posting something like I did above.

Nobody knows how this will work out - nobody here actually watched him play in the AHL so these conversations are hilarious.

I will admi I did not. I am pretty sure you didn't either. No one knows the future with any certainty for anything. I think you then fall into the opinions of hilarity with your own.

So what did I do? What I did was review pre-Dobson opinions from Montreal fans to see what their expectation was of Mailloux was before the trade. Overwhelmingly they were expecting Mailloux to make the team and slot in as a top four defenseman. Until proven otherwise I am going to go with those opinions.

[BalotelliMassive]

Montreal sure is dumb for trading a top four defenseman that can punch harder than he can shoot for a third line bum that overachieved last season.

I presume that is sarcasm, but it is a bit unfair. This is just two teams trading solid futures from positions of strength/over abundance within their pipelines.

Before Noah Dobson you had a lot of fans predicting Mailloux as a future top four defenseman. With Noah Dobson they don't have room.

With Zack Bolduc the Blues had a solid middle six guy who was on a team maturing a lot of solid middle six guys.

This trade should just work out for both teams. Some people seem to be troubled that this could just be a good hockey trade.

This board is trending towards posting something like I did above.

Nobody knows how this will work out - nobody here actually watched him play in the AHL so these conversations are hilarious.

I will admi I did not. I am pretty sure you didn't either. No one knows the future with any certainty for anything. I think you then fall into the opinions of hilarity with your own.

So what did I do? What I did was review pre-Dobson opinions from Montreal fans to see what their expectation was of Mailloux was before the trade. Overwhelmingly they were expecting Mailloux to make the team and slot in as a top four defenseman. Until proven otherwise I am going to go with those opinions.

The only thing I did was to look at the Montreal fans reactions on HF when the trade went down.

That means nothing imo - I want to see the guy play against NHL players for a couple of seasons and then I'll give an opinion on this trade.

[dr0zombie]

Montreal sure is dumb for trading a top four defenseman that can punch harder than he can shoot for a third line bum that overachieved last season.

I presume that is sarcasm, but it is a bit unfair. This is just two teams trading solid futures from positions of strength/over abundance within their pipelines.

Before Noah Dobson you had a lot of fans predicting Mailloux as a future top four defenseman. With Noah Dobson they don't have room.

With Zack Bolduc the Blues had a solid middle six guy who was on a team maturing a lot of solid middle six guys.

This trade should just work out for both teams. Some people seem to be troubled that this could just be a good hockey trade.

This board is trending towards posting something like I did above.

Nobody knows how this will work out - nobody here actually watched him play in the AHL so these conversations are hilarious.

I will admi I did not. I am pretty sure you didn't either. No one knows the future with any certainty for anything. I think you then fall into the opinions of hilarity with your own.

So what did I do? What I did was review pre-Dobson opinions from Montreal fans to see what their expectation was of Mailloux was before the trade. Overwhelmingly they were expecting Mailloux to make the team and slot in as a top four defenseman. Until proven otherwise I am going to go with those opinions.

The only thing I did was to look at the Montreal fans reactions on HF when the trade went down.

That means nothing imo - I want to see the guy play against NHL players for a couple of seasons and then I'll give an opinion on this trade.

As I said, read the sources like HF before the trade. I would call looking for views before major press events wisdom. You can call it what you want.

Everyone is allowed their opinion. Connor Bedard is the biggest first overall bust of the last 20 years like all kinds of press claims. I guess until I see a couple of seasons, maybe one where he plays center, then I'll give an opinion on his value. No one said any of us had any good ideas here.

[BalotelliMassive]

Yeah....Bedard is a legit Yakupov. Brilliant