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Re: We are watching a AAA team
Posted: 06 Sep 2025 16:15 pm
by Cranny
rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 14:10 pm
desertrat23 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 13:58 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 12:56 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 12:51 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 12:12 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 12:10 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 11:45 am
Cranny wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 11:44 am
rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 11:40 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 09:06 am
rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 08:26 am
Last night's lineup was a joke, too many players who are JAG.
M. Winn at cleanup?
C'mon Oli
There is no one worth keeping on this teams roster, to build around.
No argument here scouty
(The one to build around will be JJW)
"No one worth keeping on this team's roster, to build around". What a joke. Sheesh.
When it comes to "jokes" you're the expert cranny.
Attacking the poster instead of the post again, rock?
You started it cranny calling our opinions a "joke", no need for you to even butt in on scouty & I's conversation but you did.
Buck up cranny.
Yes, I called your opinions (posts) a joke, rock. Nothing about you and scouty on the personal side.
This roster contains no franchise players to build around, we spoke the truth.
There are people worth keeping (i.e. Winn), but no franchise players to be sure.
Spot on 'rat
Quite frankly, you don’t know until you give these young players a chance whether any will develop into “franchise players” or not.
Re: We are watching a AAA team
Posted: 06 Sep 2025 16:20 pm
by WLTFE
So any negative observation about this mess of a roster is defended because a front office bootlicker can't allow any criticism of Mo-ran gone unchallenged...and, apparent they have the time to check every thread to do so...kind of a sad, pathetic life...
Re: We are watching a AAA team
Posted: 06 Sep 2025 16:46 pm
by Cranny
Can’t read this. Is it a trolling post?
Re: We are watching a AAA team
Posted: 06 Sep 2025 17:15 pm
by NYCardsFan
Meanwhile, everyone is still patiently waiting for Cranny’s answer to the legitimate question posed earlier in the thread (and reposted, quoted, or referenced by several other posters since):
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 11:01 am
Cranny wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 10:22 am
OldRed wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 09:34 am
Cranny wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 08:58 am
OldRed wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 08:16 am
Cranny wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 07:36 am
Red - you run with rodents, you become a rodent.
Guilty complex? Not once was your name mentioned.
He won’t mention it, Red, because he’s been warned by the powers to be and
doesn’t want to get banned. But the references are obvious, don’t you think?
Only because you reported him. Didn't they tell you the same thing?
They did, and
that’s why I have him on ignore per their demand, and will keep him there.
Serious question: If you have him on “ignore” (i.e., Foe List) and therefore allegedly can’t see/read his posts, then how is possible for you to
directly quote-reply to him?
See here:
Cranny wrote: ↑16 Apr 2025 18:45 pm
I can’t read your post, but you’ve been warned to stop stalking by the moderators (like I’ve been warned) so I suggest you stop before you’re banned.
And here:
Cranny wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:18 am
WLTFE wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:12 am
Cranny wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:09 am
Be careful, stalker troll. You’ve been warned by the powers to be. You were told to put me on ignore.
You might want to follow their advice.
So were you...and you continue to follow my posts...so go and report us both.
You follow with a post after every one of my posts. Not vice versa. Stop the stalking and trolling before it’s too late for you.
As a purely technical matter, it is
impossible to directly quote-reply to a post on this forum without first being able to see/read it. How do you explain this apparent discrepancy?
sdaltons wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 21:56 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 19:59 pm
sdaltons wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 16:11 pm
Evidently he doesn't have an answer. What a shocker.
What a shocker that I don't spend 24 hours on here, sdaltons. And why are you participating in this discussion? Is piling on you your thing? Is it how you get your jollies?
The post I quoted above was at 11:01am. You posted IN THIS THREAD at 3:25pm. Don't lie, it's quite unbecoming. You have no intention of answering the question.
I am participating because I'm curious what the answer is, even though I know we'll never get it.
Cranny wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 22:52 pm
The answer is that even though you have someone on ignore, their posts still show up if they’re on a chain of posts. But you already knew that.
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑14 Aug 2025 06:41 am
But in the two examples I cited, you
directly quote-replied to WLTFE within minutes of his post, there was no intervening “chain of posts.” As a purely technical matter, it’s
impossible to directly quote-reply to a post on this forum without first being able to see/read it. But if he’s on your Foe List and you were truly ignoring him, you wouldn’t have been able to see those original posts, and therefore you wouldn’t have been able to directly quote-reply to them within minutes.
So once again, if he’s on your Foe List and you’re adhering to the mods’ “demand” that you ignore him, how did you manage to directly quote-reply to him like that?
I guess this is the rare exception when Cranny doesn’t have to have (and doesn’t want) the last word . . .
Re: We are watching a AAA team
Posted: 06 Sep 2025 17:21 pm
by WLTFE
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 17:15 pm
Meanwhile, everyone is still patiently waiting for Cranny’s answer to the legitimate question posed earlier in the thread (and reposted, quoted, or referenced by several other posters since):
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 11:01 am
Cranny wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 10:22 am
OldRed wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 09:34 am
Cranny wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 08:58 am
OldRed wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 08:16 am
Cranny wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 07:36 am
Red - you run with rodents, you become a rodent.
Guilty complex? Not once was your name mentioned.
He won’t mention it, Red, because he’s been warned by the powers to be and
doesn’t want to get banned. But the references are obvious, don’t you think?
Only because you reported him. Didn't they tell you the same thing?
They did, and
that’s why I have him on ignore per their demand, and will keep him there.
Serious question: If you have him on “ignore” (i.e., Foe List) and therefore allegedly can’t see/read his posts, then how is possible for you to
directly quote-reply to him?
See here:
Cranny wrote: ↑16 Apr 2025 18:45 pm
I can’t read your post, but you’ve been warned to stop stalking by the moderators (like I’ve been warned) so I suggest you stop before you’re banned.
And here:
Cranny wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:18 am
WLTFE wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:12 am
Cranny wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:09 am
Be careful, stalker troll. You’ve been warned by the powers to be. You were told to put me on ignore.
You might want to follow their advice.
So were you...and you continue to follow my posts...so go and report us both.
You follow with a post after every one of my posts. Not vice versa. Stop the stalking and trolling before it’s too late for you.
As a purely technical matter, it is
impossible to directly quote-reply to a post on this forum without first being able to see/read it. How do you explain this apparent discrepancy?
sdaltons wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 21:56 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 19:59 pm
sdaltons wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 16:11 pm
Evidently he doesn't have an answer. What a shocker.
What a shocker that I don't spend 24 hours on here, sdaltons. And why are you participating in this discussion? Is piling on you your thing? Is it how you get your jollies?
The post I quoted above was at 11:01am. You posted IN THIS THREAD at 3:25pm. Don't lie, it's quite unbecoming. You have no intention of answering the question.
I am participating because I'm curious what the answer is, even though I know we'll never get it.
Cranny wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 22:52 pm
The answer is that even though you have someone on ignore, their posts still show up if they’re on a chain of posts. But you already knew that.
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑14 Aug 2025 06:41 am
But in the two examples I cited, you
directly quote-replied to WLTFE within minutes of his post, there was no intervening “chain of posts.” As a purely technical matter, it’s
impossible to directly quote-reply to a post on this forum without first being able to see/read it. But if he’s on your Foe List and you were truly ignoring him, you wouldn’t have been able to see those original posts, and therefore you wouldn’t have been able to directly quote-reply to them within minutes.
So once again, if he’s on your Foe List and you’re adhering to the mods’ “demand” that you ignore him, how did you manage to directly quote-reply to him like that?
I guess this is the rare exception when Cranny doesn’t have to have (and doesn’t want) the last word . . .
I wonder why someone lies and continues to post on this thread...makes you question the many statements they've made over the years..of course, he won't be able to read this!

Re: We are watching a AAA team
Posted: 06 Sep 2025 17:26 pm
by OldRed
Cranny wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 16:46 pm
Can’t read this. Is it a trolling post?
Of course you can, or it wouldn't bother you.
Re: We are watching a AAA team
Posted: 06 Sep 2025 17:35 pm
by desertrat23
Cranny wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 16:15 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 14:10 pm
desertrat23 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 13:58 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 12:56 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 12:51 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 12:12 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 12:10 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 11:45 am
Cranny wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 11:44 am
rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 11:40 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 09:06 am
rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 08:26 am
Last night's lineup was a joke, too many players who are JAG.
M. Winn at cleanup?
C'mon Oli
There is no one worth keeping on this teams roster, to build around.
No argument here scouty
(The one to build around will be JJW)
"No one worth keeping on this team's roster, to build around". What a joke. Sheesh.
When it comes to "jokes" you're the expert cranny.
Attacking the poster instead of the post again, rock?
You started it cranny calling our opinions a "joke", no need for you to even butt in on scouty & I's conversation but you did.
Buck up cranny.
Yes, I called your opinions (posts) a joke, rock. Nothing about you and scouty on the personal side.
This roster contains no franchise players to build around, we spoke the truth.
There are people worth keeping (i.e. Winn), but no franchise players to be sure.
Spot on 'rat
Quite frankly, you don’t know until you give these young players a chance whether any will develop into “franchise players” or not.
Isn’t that what this year was for? And last? How many years do we have to waste on this?
Re: We are watching a AAA team
Posted: 06 Sep 2025 18:14 pm
by Cranny
desertrat23 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 17:35 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 16:15 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 14:10 pm
desertrat23 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 13:58 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 12:56 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 12:51 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 12:12 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 12:10 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 11:45 am
Cranny wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 11:44 am
rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 11:40 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 09:06 am
There is no one worth keeping on this teams roster, to build around.
No argument here scouty
(The one to build around will be JJW)
"No one worth keeping on this team's roster, to build around". What a joke. Sheesh.
When it comes to "jokes" you're the expert cranny.
Attacking the poster instead of the post again, rock?
You started it cranny calling our opinions a "joke", no need for you to even butt in on scouty & I's conversation but you did.
Buck up cranny.
Yes, I called your opinions (posts) a joke, rock. Nothing about you and scouty on the personal side.
This roster contains no franchise players to build around, we spoke the truth.
There are people worth keeping (i.e. Winn), but no franchise players to be sure.
Spot on 'rat
Quite frankly, you don’t know until you give these young players a chance whether any will develop into “franchise players” or not.
Isn’t that what this year was for? And last? How many years do we have to waste on this?
So giving players a chance to play is "wasting"?
Re: We are watching a AAA team
Posted: 06 Sep 2025 18:41 pm
by OldRed
Cranny wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 18:14 pm
desertrat23 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 17:35 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 16:15 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 14:10 pm
desertrat23 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 13:58 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 12:56 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 12:51 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 12:12 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 12:10 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 11:45 am
Cranny wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 11:44 am
rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 11:40 am
No argument here scouty
(The one to build around will be JJW)
"No one worth keeping on this team's roster, to build around". What a joke. Sheesh.
When it comes to "jokes" you're the expert cranny.
Attacking the poster instead of the post again, rock?
You started it cranny calling our opinions a "joke", no need for you to even butt in on scouty & I's conversation but you did.
Buck up cranny.
Yes, I called your opinions (posts) a joke, rock. Nothing about you and scouty on the personal side.
This roster contains no franchise players to build around, we spoke the truth.
There are people worth keeping (i.e. Winn), but no franchise players to be sure.
Spot on 'rat
Quite frankly, you don’t know until you give these young players a chance whether any will develop into “franchise players” or not.
Isn’t that what this year was for? And last? How many years do we have to waste on this?
So giving players a chance to play is "wasting"?
You just can't admit you are wrong. Are you at tonight's game? It nice and cool and there is not soccer, football or hockey.
Re: We are watching a AAA team
Posted: 06 Sep 2025 18:42 pm
by WLTFE
So we are watching a AAA team....and they're not fun to watch.
Re: We are watching a AAA team
Posted: 06 Sep 2025 19:10 pm
by OldRed
Cranny wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 10:32 am
icon wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 09:58 am
Cranny wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 09:05 am
OldRed wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 09:00 am
Cranny wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 08:54 am
No mention of the guys out with injuries? Typical.
That has nothing to do with watching a AAA team on September 5th. Typical.
Donovan, Arenado, Burleson, etc. are AAA players?
Sheesh.
Every team has injuries. And the Cardinals have been the beneficiary of having just two pitchers the entire year go on the IL. And they were relievers who weren't very special. The Cubs and Dodgers lost top starters for long periods. The Cubs lost their top starter for the season very early.
And how did this team do with Arenado, Donovan and Burly in the lineup? Not very well. Arenado's noodle bat especially is not missed.
They were 9 over .500 at one point.
7 games under since All-Star break. Typical, Sheesh.
Re: We are watching a AAA team
Posted: 06 Sep 2025 20:39 pm
by WLTFE
OldRed wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 17:55 pm
With trying to compete on a Major League level.
It's been a long summer
Re: We are watching a AAA team
Posted: 06 Sep 2025 20:59 pm
by desertrat23
Cranny wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 18:14 pm
desertrat23 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 17:35 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 16:15 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 14:10 pm
desertrat23 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 13:58 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 12:56 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 12:51 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 12:12 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 12:10 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 11:45 am
Cranny wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 11:44 am
rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 11:40 am
No argument here scouty
(The one to build around will be JJW)
"No one worth keeping on this team's roster, to build around". What a joke. Sheesh.
When it comes to "jokes" you're the expert cranny.
Attacking the poster instead of the post again, rock?
You started it cranny calling our opinions a "joke", no need for you to even butt in on scouty & I's conversation but you did.
Buck up cranny.
Yes, I called your opinions (posts) a joke, rock. Nothing about you and scouty on the personal side.
This roster contains no franchise players to build around, we spoke the truth.
There are people worth keeping (i.e. Winn), but no franchise players to be sure.
Spot on 'rat
Quite frankly, you don’t know until you give these young players a chance whether any will develop into “franchise players” or not.
Isn’t that what this year was for? And last? How many years do we have to waste on this?
So giving players a chance to play is "wasting"?
This year and last? No. If you need another year to figure out the same guys, yeah.
Re: We are watching a AAA team
Posted: 06 Sep 2025 21:11 pm
by Cranny
desertrat23 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 20:59 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 18:14 pm
desertrat23 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 17:35 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 16:15 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 14:10 pm
desertrat23 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 13:58 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 12:56 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 12:51 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 12:12 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 12:10 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 11:45 am
Cranny wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 11:44 am
"No one worth keeping on this team's roster, to build around". What a joke. Sheesh.
When it comes to "jokes" you're the expert cranny.
Attacking the poster instead of the post again, rock?
You started it cranny calling our opinions a "joke", no need for you to even butt in on scouty & I's conversation but you did.
Buck up cranny.
Yes, I called your opinions (posts) a joke, rock. Nothing about you and scouty on the personal side.
This roster contains no franchise players to build around, we spoke the truth.
There are people worth keeping (i.e. Winn), but no franchise players to be sure.
Spot on 'rat
Quite frankly, you don’t know until you give these young players a chance whether any will develop into “franchise players” or not.
Isn’t that what this year was for? And last? How many years do we have to waste on this?
So giving players a chance to play is "wasting"?
This year and last? No. If you need another year to figure out the same guys, yeah.
Nice to see the AAA Cardinals beat the MLB Giants tonight.
Re: We are watching a AAA team
Posted: 06 Sep 2025 21:30 pm
by desertrat23
Cranny wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 21:11 pm
desertrat23 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 20:59 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 18:14 pm
desertrat23 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 17:35 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 16:15 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 14:10 pm
desertrat23 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 13:58 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 12:56 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 12:51 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 12:12 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 12:10 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 11:45 am
When it comes to "jokes" you're the expert cranny.
Attacking the poster instead of the post again, rock?
You started it cranny calling our opinions a "joke", no need for you to even butt in on scouty & I's conversation but you did.
Buck up cranny.
Yes, I called your opinions (posts) a joke, rock. Nothing about you and scouty on the personal side.
This roster contains no franchise players to build around, we spoke the truth.
There are people worth keeping (i.e. Winn), but no franchise players to be sure.
Spot on 'rat
Quite frankly, you don’t know until you give these young players a chance whether any will develop into “franchise players” or not.
Isn’t that what this year was for? And last? How many years do we have to waste on this?
So giving players a chance to play is "wasting"?
This year and last? No. If you need another year to figure out the same guys, yeah.
Nice to see the AAA Cardinals beat the MLB Giants tonight.
A blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.
Re: We are watching a AAA team
Posted: 07 Sep 2025 04:24 am
by WLTFE
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 17:15 pm
Meanwhile, everyone is still patiently waiting for Cranny’s answer to the legitimate question posed earlier in the thread (and reposted, quoted, or referenced by several other posters since):
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 11:01 am
Cranny wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 10:22 am
OldRed wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 09:34 am
Cranny wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 08:58 am
OldRed wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 08:16 am
Cranny wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 07:36 am
Red - you run with rodents, you become a rodent.
Guilty complex? Not once was your name mentioned.
He won’t mention it, Red, because he’s been warned by the powers to be and
doesn’t want to get banned. But the references are obvious, don’t you think?
Only because you reported him. Didn't they tell you the same thing?
They did, and
that’s why I have him on ignore per their demand, and will keep him there.
Serious question: If you have him on “ignore” (i.e., Foe List) and therefore allegedly can’t see/read his posts, then how is possible for you to
directly quote-reply to him?
See here:
Cranny wrote: ↑16 Apr 2025 18:45 pm
I can’t read your post, but you’ve been warned to stop stalking by the moderators (like I’ve been warned) so I suggest you stop before you’re banned.
And here:
Cranny wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:18 am
WLTFE wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:12 am
Cranny wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:09 am
Be careful, stalker troll. You’ve been warned by the powers to be. You were told to put me on ignore.
You might want to follow their advice.
So were you...and you continue to follow my posts...so go and report us both.
You follow with a post after every one of my posts. Not vice versa. Stop the stalking and trolling before it’s too late for you.
As a purely technical matter, it is
impossible to directly quote-reply to a post on this forum without first being able to see/read it. How do you explain this apparent discrepancy?
sdaltons wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 21:56 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 19:59 pm
sdaltons wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 16:11 pm
Evidently he doesn't have an answer. What a shocker.
What a shocker that I don't spend 24 hours on here, sdaltons. And why are you participating in this discussion? Is piling on you your thing? Is it how you get your jollies?
The post I quoted above was at 11:01am. You posted IN THIS THREAD at 3:25pm. Don't lie, it's quite unbecoming. You have no intention of answering the question.
I am participating because I'm curious what the answer is, even though I know we'll never get it.
Cranny wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 22:52 pm
The answer is that even though you have someone on ignore, their posts still show up if they’re on a chain of posts. But you already knew that.
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑14 Aug 2025 06:41 am
But in the two examples I cited, you
directly quote-replied to WLTFE within minutes of his post, there was no intervening “chain of posts.” As a purely technical matter, it’s
impossible to directly quote-reply to a post on this forum without first being able to see/read it. But if he’s on your Foe List and you were truly ignoring him, you wouldn’t have been able to see those original posts, and therefore you wouldn’t have been able to directly quote-reply to them within minutes.
So once again, if he’s on your Foe List and you’re adhering to the mods’ “demand” that you ignore him, how did you manage to directly quote-reply to him like that?
I guess this is the rare exception when Cranny doesn’t have to have (and doesn’t want) the last word . . .
Bump?