If Arenado is traded Saggese becomes even more relevant

[Mort Gage]

No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?


JMO

If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.

You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?

Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.

To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.

Oh H E L L NO RF!

A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!

And you want "2 or 3 like him"?

BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.

I don't want either at 3rd base.

But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

"Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G". You were probably wondering the same about Burleson a couple years back. Maybe you still are.

Burleson had a 1.9 bWAR last year. Until he develops more power or rounds out other aspects of his game he is firmly in JAG territory.

[Ozziesfan41]

No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?

If he's here, then he's a utility player (replacing B. Donovan if he's dealt).

He also could be a throw in on any bigger deal C. Bloom could make.

Either way, he's NOT a starter at any position.

JMO

They are serious about wanting to tank if they have Gorman playing at third everyday. Bad defense can’t hit low on base low ops just an awful player. He’s worse than a JAG he’s a just another awful player

That's what they're going to use 2026 for, to see if players like N. Gorman are going to pan out or is it time to cut the cord and move on.

Wasn't 2025 supposed to be for that?

New regime coming in and we know BDWJr isn't going to spend any real money in 2026.

Gorman isn't my choice (Saggesse absolutely isn't, J.A.G. w/no power) but if NADO and Donovan are traded (likely), then Gorman is going to be the first player to be given a shot at 3rd base given his power upside.

Yea saggase may be JAG but Gorman is just another awful failed player. If they go with him not only are they not caring if they win but intentionally trying to lose and would be a good indicator bloom might be an idiot

If NADO and Donovan are traded, Gorman is going to be the guy who's given the first shot at 3rd base.

And Bloom is far from an "idiot" if he gives Gorman one more shot in what is being described as a re-build season.

It would be dumb. Maybe he isn’t dumb but that’s dumb. This season was supposed to be the runway season then he will need next season to be a runway season so Gorman can again prove he sucks? lol but of course once he sucks next season his trade value will officially tanked so bloom will be taking a page from mos playbook keep running players who suck out there every season until they have no more value then trade them for nothing. Hooray the cardinals savior has arrived to do the same dumb things mo did

[NYCardsFan]

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

Shady loves to pick out “B,“ “C,” and “D-level” prospects and confidently (and relentlessly) proclaim them future All-Stars and HOFers as a reliable angle/vehicle for getting attention. He usually dishonestly frames this conceit in “me against the world” terms (“I’m the only one who identified/championed player XYZ against all the doubters/skeptics/haters,” etc.). To his credit, over the years it has proven to be a remarkably effective strategy for generating/attracting the attention he so desperately craves.

Of course, he will then dodge all accountability when his predictions prove ridiculously wrong—and they always do.

[Cranny]

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

Shady loves to pick out “B,“ “C,” and “D-level” prospects and confidently (and relentlessly) proclaim them future all-stars and HOFers as a reliable angle/vehicle for getting attention. He usually frames this conceit in “me against the world” terms (“I’m the only one who identified/championed player XYZ against all the doubters/skeptics/haters,” etc.). To his credit, over the years it has proven to be a remarkably effective strategy for generating/attracting the attention he so desperately craves.

Of course, he will then dodge all accountability when his predictions prove ridiculously wrong—and they always do.

Actually, he touted Burleson early on as a potential MLB good hitter. Which he has proven to be.

[Mort Gage]

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

Shady loves to pick out “B,“ “C,” and “D-level” prospects and confidently (and relentlessly) proclaim them future all-stars and HOFers as a reliable angle/vehicle for getting attention. He usually frames this conceit in “me against the world” terms (“I’m the only one who identified/championed player XYZ against all the doubters/skeptics/haters,” etc.). To his credit, over the years it has proven to be a remarkably effective strategy for generating/attracting the attention he so desperately craves.

Of course, he will then dodge all accountability when his predictions prove ridiculously wrong—and they always do.

Actually, he touted Burleson early on as a potential MLB good hitter. Which he has proven to be.

If he touted him as only a potential good hitter I'd agree with you. But as has been noted many times he was talking him up as the next Gwynn/Votto. Huge difference.

[NYCardsFan]

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

Shady loves to pick out “B,“ “C,” and “D-level” prospects and confidently (and relentlessly) proclaim them future all-stars and HOFers as a reliable angle/vehicle for getting attention. He usually frames this conceit in “me against the world” terms (“I’m the only one who identified/championed player XYZ against all the doubters/skeptics/haters,” etc.). To his credit, over the years it has proven to be a remarkably effective strategy for generating/attracting the attention he so desperately craves.

Of course, he will then dodge all accountability when his predictions prove ridiculously wrong—and they always do.

Actually, he touted Burleson early on as a potential MLB good hitter. Which he has proven to be.

Ackshually, he touted Burleson as “the next Tony Gwynn / Joey Votto.”

[ScotchMIrish]

Traditionally a 3B is a player with more power than Saggese or Wetherholt but I don't see anybody who fits that description other than Gorman who strikes out far too much for the power he was. The job probably falls to Saggese and if they trade Donovan then Wetherholt is probably 2B. More of a small ball look with potential to score runs. Either way we need much better pitching in 2026 or the lineup won't matter much.

[Shady]

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

Shady loves to pick out “B,“ “C,” and “D-level” prospects and confidently (and relentlessly) proclaim them future all-stars and HOFers as a reliable angle/vehicle for getting attention. He usually frames this conceit in “me against the world” terms (“I’m the only one who identified/championed player XYZ against all the doubters/skeptics/haters,” etc.). To his credit, over the years it has proven to be a remarkably effective strategy for generating/attracting the attention he so desperately craves.

Of course, he will then dodge all accountability when his predictions prove ridiculously wrong—and they always do.

Actually, he touted Burleson early on as a potential MLB good hitter. Which he has proven to be.

If he touted him as only a potential good hitter I'd agree with you. But as has been noted many times he was talking him up as the next Gwynn/Votto. Huge difference.

Please document me guaranteeing Burleson to become a Gwynn/Votto caliber hitter. I won't deny that I, wishfully, alluded to it. However, there should probably be more emphasis on what Cranny described that I predicted for Burleson. It's much more accurate.

[NYCardsFan]

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

Shady loves to pick out “B,“ “C,” and “D-level” prospects and confidently (and relentlessly) proclaim them future all-stars and HOFers as a reliable angle/vehicle for getting attention. He usually frames this conceit in “me against the world” terms (“I’m the only one who identified/championed player XYZ against all the doubters/skeptics/haters,” etc.). To his credit, over the years it has proven to be a remarkably effective strategy for generating/attracting the attention he so desperately craves.

Of course, he will then dodge all accountability when his predictions prove ridiculously wrong—and they always do.

Actually, he touted Burleson early on as a potential MLB good hitter. Which he has proven to be.

If he touted him as only a potential good hitter I'd agree with you. But as has been noted many times he was talking him up as the next Gwynn/Votto. Huge difference.

Please document me guaranteeing Burleson to become a Gwynn/Votto caliber hitter. I won't deny that I, wishfully, alluded to it. However, there should probably be more emphasis on what Cranny described that I predicted for Burleson. It's much more accurate.

"There should be less emphasis on what I actually said, and more on retroactive attempts at rewriting history and face-saving spin."

"I predicted player XYZ would be a Hall of Famer, but let's pretend that what I really predicted was that he would be a decent role player or low-end starter (which is where the consensus on CT was long before I was grudgingly dragged there)."

And yes, Shady, the complete rewriting of history is indeed "much more accurate."

[Shady]

Again, Cranny has the more accurate version of my prediction for Burleson. Some of those that doubted that regarding Burleson are now scrambling. Funny to see. But, no biggie.

[NYCardsFan]

Again, Cranny has the more accurate version of my prediction for Burleson. Some of those that doubted that regarding Burleson are now scrambling. Funny to see. But, no biggie.

Oh, there's definitely someone scrambling (and pathologically lying) here, but it's not "Some."

[Mort Gage]

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

Shady loves to pick out “B,“ “C,” and “D-level” prospects and confidently (and relentlessly) proclaim them future all-stars and HOFers as a reliable angle/vehicle for getting attention. He usually frames this conceit in “me against the world” terms (“I’m the only one who identified/championed player XYZ against all the doubters/skeptics/haters,” etc.). To his credit, over the years it has proven to be a remarkably effective strategy for generating/attracting the attention he so desperately craves.

Of course, he will then dodge all accountability when his predictions prove ridiculously wrong—and they always do.

Actually, he touted Burleson early on as a potential MLB good hitter. Which he has proven to be.

If he touted him as only a potential good hitter I'd agree with you. But as has been noted many times he was talking him up as the next Gwynn/Votto. Huge difference.

Please document me guaranteeing Burleson to become a Gwynn/Votto caliber hitter. I won't deny that I, wishfully, alluded to it. However, there should probably be more emphasis on what Cranny described that I predicted for Burleson. It's much more accurate.

Those posts have been deleted or archived. And you backed off after Burleson bumbled his way through his first two years. But there are at least two people on this thread who recall your "next Votto/Gwynn" lunacy. And the repetition with which you did it was more than a passing allusion.

[Cranny]

Again, Cranny has the more accurate version of my prediction for Burleson. Some of those that doubted that regarding Burleson are now scrambling. Funny to see. But, no biggie.

Oh, there's definitely someone scrambling (and pathologically lying) here, but it's not "Some."

LOL.

[NYCardsFan]

Again, Cranny has the more accurate version of my prediction for Burleson. Some of those that doubted that regarding Burleson are now scrambling. Funny to see. But, no biggie.

Oh, there's definitely someone scrambling (and pathologically lying) here, but it's not "Some."

LOL.

If it wasn't clear, I was/am not referring to you. Unfortunately, Shady is now clinging to you in his posts like a human shield, which can muddy precisely who is addressing whom.

[Cranny]

Again, Cranny has the more accurate version of my prediction for Burleson. Some of those that doubted that regarding Burleson are now scrambling. Funny to see. But, no biggie.

Oh, there's definitely someone scrambling (and pathologically lying) here, but it's not "Some."

LOL.

If it wasn't clear, I was/am not referring to you. Unfortunately, Shady is now clinging to you in his posts like a human shield, which can muddy precisely who is addressing whom.

Instead of wasting peoples' time by beating up on Shady, why don't you give a synopsis of Saggese - including his stats coming through the system, scouting reports on him, etc. Things of value. Thanks.

[Shady]

Again, Cranny has the more accurate version of my prediction for Burleson. Some of those that doubted that regarding Burleson are now scrambling. Funny to see. But, no biggie.

Oh, there's definitely someone scrambling (and pathologically lying) here, but it's not "Some."

LOL.

If it wasn't clear, I was/am not referring to you. Unfortunately, Shady is now clinging to you in his posts like a human shield, which can muddy precisely who is addressing whom.

Instead of wasting peoples' time by beating up on Shady, why don't you give a synopsis of Saggese - including his stats coming through the system, scouting reports on him, etc. Things of value. Thanks.

BINGO, BANGO ! There is far too much attention given as to what I think. Some giving me so much negative attention are the ones complaining that I seek attention. Strange, conflicting behavior, indeed.