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sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 09:11 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 09:08 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 09:01 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 08:48 am The last WS team 2013 didn’t hit many HR but hit many doubles and produced many RBI’s
Molina
44 doubles, 80 RBI, .319, .836
Craig
29 2b, 97 RBI, .315, .830
Carp
55 2b, 78 RBI, .318, .873
Holliday
31 2b, 94 RBI, .300, .879
Beltran
30 2b, 84 RBI, .296, .830

Only Holliday(22) and Beltran(24) hit over 20 HR…….

And they lost

There's a happy medium between all or nothing.

Balance. You need a threat in your lineup. HRs are the most effective way to score runs

RBI’s are the most effective way to score runs
I think you need to remember where the Cards play…..

The home run has two major advantages- one, it can give you a lead. Team and pitcher settle in; two, it helps to catch up, quickly.

Other than that give me a double every time.

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 19:29 pm

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 19:26 pm

C-Unit wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 19:19 pm Our team leader had 20 home runs last year. If that was their effort to swing for the fences then I don't know what to tell you.

Hi C-Unit!

Sadly, it tells me that our hitters were so inept that they couldn’t execute what the Mozo Method wanted from them.

Just because they didn’t hit many HR’s doesn’t mean they weren’t trying to.

Ever since Matt Carpenter continually refused to slap the ball through the shortstop hole against the shift, this franchise has shown they have no desire to play any small ball whatsoever. That philosophy clearly has been dictated from the top, which was Mozo the Clown.

"Mozo the Clown" is childish, Hazelwood. How old are you?

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 09:11 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 09:08 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 09:01 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 08:48 am The last WS team 2013 didn’t hit many HR but hit many doubles and produced many RBI’s
Molina
44 doubles, 80 RBI, .319, .836
Craig
29 2b, 97 RBI, .315, .830
Carp
55 2b, 78 RBI, .318, .873
Holliday
31 2b, 94 RBI, .300, .879
Beltran
30 2b, 84 RBI, .296, .830

Only Holliday(22) and Beltran(24) hit over 20 HR…….

And they lost

There's a happy medium between all or nothing.

Balance. You need a threat in your lineup. HRs are the most effective way to score runs

RBI’s are the most effective way to score runs
I think you need to remember where the Cards play…..

The home run has two major advantages- one, it can give you a lead. Team and pitcher settle in; two, it helps to catch up, quickly.

Other than that give me a double every time.

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 08:19 am

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 15:56 pm Bill & Chaim,
Please note the following fact from the Cubs-Brewers game today.

The Cubs have 3 HR’s and are losing 9-3.

The Brewers have ZERO HR’s and are winning 9-3.

Conclusion: You don’t have to blindly swing for the fences like so many Cardinal hitters to score lots of runs, win games, be exciting, and fill the seats with paying butts.

Bonus history lesson: Tommy Herr had 110 RBI’s on only 8 HR’s in the Cardinals pennant winning season in 1985. Busch Stadium was packed with paying fannies in those days.

So there’s your fricken “business case”. Now go execute it.

No. Don't listen to this...HRs are a need and a necessity

Hoosier59 wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 10:59 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 08:19 am

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 15:56 pm Bill & Chaim,
Please note the following fact from the Cubs-Brewers game today.

The Cubs have 3 HR’s and are losing 9-3.

The Brewers have ZERO HR’s and are winning 9-3.

Conclusion: You don’t have to blindly swing for the fences like so many Cardinal hitters to score lots of runs, win games, be exciting, and fill the seats with paying butts.

Bonus history lesson: Tommy Herr had 110 RBI’s on only 8 HR’s in the Cardinals pennant winning season in 1985. Busch Stadium was packed with paying fannies in those days.

So there’s your fricken “business case”. Now go execute it.

No. Don't listen to this...HRs are a need and a necessity

This might be true, but you can’t make home run hitters out of everyone that plays the game. Victor Scott is a prime example. He has been trying to pull everything and hit the ball as hard as he can. That’s not a recipe for success for him. Walker hit 20 homers in the minors hitting the ball the way he was used to. Then they tried to change and look what they created!

Goldfan wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 09:08 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 09:01 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 08:48 am The last WS team 2013 didn’t hit many HR but hit many doubles and produced many RBI’s
Molina
44 doubles, 80 RBI, .319, .836
Craig
29 2b, 97 RBI, .315, .830
Carp
55 2b, 78 RBI, .318, .873
Holliday
31 2b, 94 RBI, .300, .879
Beltran
30 2b, 84 RBI, .296, .830

Only Holliday(22) and Beltran(24) hit over 20 HR…….

And they lost

There's a happy medium between all or nothing.

Balance. You need a threat in your lineup. HRs are the most effective way to score runs

RBI’s are the most effective way to score runs
I think you need to remember where the Cards play…..

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 20:15 pm

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 19:34 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 19:29 pm

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 19:26 pm

C-Unit wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 19:19 pm Our team leader had 20 home runs last year. If that was their effort to swing for the fences then I don't know what to tell you.

Hi C-Unit!

Sadly, it tells me that our hitters were so inept that they couldn’t execute what the Mozo Method wanted from them.

Just because they didn’t hit many HR’s doesn’t mean they weren’t trying to.

Ever since Matt Carpenter continually refused to slap the ball through the shortstop hole against the shift, this franchise has shown they have no desire to play any small ball whatsoever. That philosophy clearly has been dictated from the top, which was Mozo the Clown.

"Mozo the Clown" is childish, Hazelwood. How old are you?

He’s a clown and deserves all the accolades and benefits his clowndom deserves.

Stop being the Cards Talk scold, you putz. How old are you?

A lot older than you, Hazelwood, and have seen way too many people who judge others like you do. Do others judge you the same way? And “mozo the clown” is truly junior high playground stuff.

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 19:20 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 20:15 pm

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 19:34 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 19:29 pm

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 19:26 pm

C-Unit wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 19:19 pm Our team leader had 20 home runs last year. If that was their effort to swing for the fences then I don't know what to tell you.

Hi C-Unit!

Sadly, it tells me that our hitters were so inept that they couldn’t execute what the Mozo Method wanted from them.

Just because they didn’t hit many HR’s doesn’t mean they weren’t trying to.

Ever since Matt Carpenter continually refused to slap the ball through the shortstop hole against the shift, this franchise has shown they have no desire to play any small ball whatsoever. That philosophy clearly has been dictated from the top, which was Mozo the Clown.

"Mozo the Clown" is childish, Hazelwood. How old are you?

He’s a clown and deserves all the accolades and benefits his clowndom deserves.

Stop being the Cards Talk scold, you putz. How old are you?

A lot older than you, Hazelwood, and have seen way too many people who judge others like you do. Do others judge you the same way? And “mozo the clown” is truly junior high playground stuff.

Crann-Ma (which rhymes with Grandma),
You really, REALLY get incensed with the Mozo the Clown handle. Way more than a neutral fan normally would. So much so, that you are obviously a friend of Mozo, a relative of Mozo, or a Cardinal front office shill.

Whatever your relationship is to The Great Mozeliak, I shall continue to use the Mozo the Clown handle as long as I post to Cards Talk. He absolutely deserves it for his role in utterly destroying the Cardinal franchise at the major league level and destroying the Cardinal minor league and development system.

So, for old time’s sake, here’s one more golden goodie:

Mozo the Clown!

You call it childish. I call it accurate. We differ in opinion.

Have a glorious evening.

cardsrmyteam wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 18:43 pm

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 15:56 pm Bill & Chaim,
Please note the following fact from the Cubs-Brewers game today.

The Cubs have 3 HR’s and are losing 9-3.

The Brewers have ZERO HR’s and are winning 9-3.

Conclusion: You don’t have to blindly swing for the fences like so many Cardinal hitters to score lots of runs, win games, be exciting, and fill the seats with paying butts.

Bonus history lesson: Tommy Herr had 110 RBI’s on only 8 HR’s in the Cardinals pennant winning season in 1985. Busch Stadium was packed with paying fannies in those days.

So there’s your fricken “business case”. Now go execute it.

Amen. Dave Winfield made the HOF and never hit more than 30 home runs 3 times in his career. This desire to create guys who hit 50 HR's per year should be abandoned and they should have all players play to their strengths, not to the strengths the front office desires.

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 23:08 pm Take a swing at the international market, boys. Don't be afraid. You may find a gem. And Bill, dont be afraid to open your wallet. Give Bloom a chance.

WLTFE wrote: ↑06 Oct 2025 05:59 am

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 23:08 pm Take a swing at the international market, boys. Don't be afraid. You may find a gem. And Bill, dont be afraid to open your wallet. Give Bloom a chance.

Bloom has one big advantage...he's following Mozo the Clowns legacy!

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑06 Oct 2025 06:45 am

WLTFE wrote: ↑06 Oct 2025 05:59 am

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 23:08 pm Take a swing at the international market, boys. Don't be afraid. You may find a gem. And Bill, dont be afraid to open your wallet. Give Bloom a chance.

Bloom has one big advantage...he's following Mozo the Clowns legacy!

Its also a disadvantage. He now works for an owner reluctant to spend due to Mo's foolish contracts.

Cranny wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 20:39 pm

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 19:20 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 20:15 pm

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 19:34 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 19:29 pm

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 19:26 pm

C-Unit wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 19:19 pm Our team leader had 20 home runs last year. If that was their effort to swing for the fences then I don't know what to tell you.

Hi C-Unit!

Sadly, it tells me that our hitters were so inept that they couldn’t execute what the Mozo Method wanted from them.

Just because they didn’t hit many HR’s doesn’t mean they weren’t trying to.

Ever since Matt Carpenter continually refused to slap the ball through the shortstop hole against the shift, this franchise has shown they have no desire to play any small ball whatsoever. That philosophy clearly has been dictated from the top, which was Mozo the Clown.

"Mozo the Clown" is childish, Hazelwood. How old are you?

He’s a clown and deserves all the accolades and benefits his clowndom deserves.

Stop being the Cards Talk scold, you putz. How old are you?

A lot older than you, Hazelwood, and have seen way too many people who judge others like you do. Do others judge you the same way? And “mozo the clown” is truly junior high playground stuff.

Crann-Ma (which rhymes with Grandma),
You really, REALLY get incensed with the Mozo the Clown handle. Way more than a neutral fan normally would. So much so, that you are obviously a friend of Mozo, a relative of Mozo, or a Cardinal front office shill.

Whatever your relationship is to The Great Mozeliak, I shall continue to use the Mozo the Clown handle as long as I post to Cards Talk. He absolutely deserves it for his role in utterly destroying the Cardinal franchise at the major league level and destroying the Cardinal minor league and development system.

So, for old time’s sake, here’s one more golden goodie:

Mozo the Clown!

You call it childish. I call it accurate. We differ in opinion.

Have a glorious evening.

He’s gone now. Hope your vitriol is over.

Adam2 wrote: ↑06 Oct 2025 06:51 am

Cranny wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 20:39 pm

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 19:20 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 20:15 pm

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 19:34 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 19:29 pm

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 19:26 pm

C-Unit wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 19:19 pm Our team leader had 20 home runs last year. If that was their effort to swing for the fences then I don't know what to tell you.

Hi C-Unit!

Sadly, it tells me that our hitters were so inept that they couldn’t execute what the Mozo Method wanted from them.

Just because they didn’t hit many HR’s doesn’t mean they weren’t trying to.

Ever since Matt Carpenter continually refused to slap the ball through the shortstop hole against the shift, this franchise has shown they have no desire to play any small ball whatsoever. That philosophy clearly has been dictated from the top, which was Mozo the Clown.

"Mozo the Clown" is childish, Hazelwood. How old are you?

He’s a clown and deserves all the accolades and benefits his clowndom deserves.

Stop being the Cards Talk scold, you putz. How old are you?

A lot older than you, Hazelwood, and have seen way too many people who judge others like you do. Do others judge you the same way? And “mozo the clown” is truly junior high playground stuff.

Crann-Ma (which rhymes with Grandma),
You really, REALLY get incensed with the Mozo the Clown handle. Way more than a neutral fan normally would. So much so, that you are obviously a friend of Mozo, a relative of Mozo, or a Cardinal front office shill.

Whatever your relationship is to The Great Mozeliak, I shall continue to use the Mozo the Clown handle as long as I post to Cards Talk. He absolutely deserves it for his role in utterly destroying the Cardinal franchise at the major league level and destroying the Cardinal minor league and development system.

So, for old time’s sake, here’s one more golden goodie:

Mozo the Clown!

You call it childish. I call it accurate. We differ in opinion.

Have a glorious evening.

He’s gone now. Hope your vitriol is over.

He will never be gone from our nightmares