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Re: This could be the most practical way to get some needed '26 starting pitching
Posted: 30 Aug 2025 18:37 pm
by Carp4Cy
Shady wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 17:40 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 17:36 pm
Shady wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 17:33 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 17:30 pm
Shady wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 16:20 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 16:17 pm
Two of Burly/Noot/Gorman/Donovan need traded for sure. Noot and Donovan are the two I’d trade in a perfect scenario, but any two of those four is fine if the return is right.
I hold on to Gorman because of the needed power upside and Burly just because I think the other two will bring back more in a trade.
Another option, trade Contreras. Move Burleson to 1B.
That would be great. Get Herrera some reps there too. Not happening, though. As you’ve been told probably hundreds of times by now.
There's more to the advantage of trading Contreras. The money saved could be utilized for a FA starting pitcher of significance. Burleson would be fine at 1B, offensively and defensively.
Do you think Contreras would waive his no trade? He has stated he will not.
Do you think many teams would have interest if he did waive his no trade?
Do you feel the Cardinals are screwed in trying to make this happen, somehow, in order to enhance the reset? Be creative in your thinking occasionally.
No, it doesn't screw us. A successful reset would emerge with a balance of vets and young talent. Willson doesn't skew that balance in a bad direction. His production is more than servicable for his salary, so find some other position to focus on curing our deficit. RF maybe? C? CF?
Re: This could be the most practical way to get some needed '26 starting pitching
Posted: 30 Aug 2025 19:03 pm
by ScotchMIrish
The author is more impressed with the Gorman archetype than I. Avg just above the Menzoda line. 20 HR. 100+ strikeouts.
We need pitching but if the plan is to replace Donvan at 2B with Gorman that will subtract a lot of offense.
Re: This could be the most practical way to get some needed '26 starting pitching
Posted: 30 Aug 2025 21:15 pm
by Talkin' Baseball
TheSolution wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 17:14 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 16:25 pm
Shady wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 16:20 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 16:17 pm
Two of Burly/Noot/Gorman/Donovan need traded for sure. Noot and Donovan are the two I’d trade in a perfect scenario, but any two of those four is fine if the return is right.
I hold on to Gorman because of the needed power upside and Burly just because I think the other two will bring back more in a trade.
Another option, trade Contreras. Move Burleson to 1B.
(bleep), WillyCon has NTC thru 2026
Which only adds to the complications and validation that it was a very dumb signing.
He’s never hit 25 HR’s in his career, hits for a low average, can’t play his main position, blocks others at DH and 1B, and did I mention he’s going to be 34 and has never hit 25 HR’s in a season and he’s taking up DH and 1B.
Don't forget the part about he is their most productive hitter.
Re: This could be the most practical way to get some needed '26 starting pitching
Posted: 30 Aug 2025 22:02 pm
by peterman'srealitytour
I’ll tell you what makes sense for you: a lobotomy.
Re: This could be the most practical way to get some needed '26 starting pitching
Posted: 31 Aug 2025 15:38 pm
by TheSolution
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 21:15 pm
TheSolution wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 17:14 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 16:25 pm
Shady wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 16:20 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 16:17 pm
Two of Burly/Noot/Gorman/Donovan need traded for sure. Noot and Donovan are the two I’d trade in a perfect scenario, but any two of those four is fine if the return is right.
I hold on to Gorman because of the needed power upside and Burly just because I think the other two will bring back more in a trade.
Another option, trade Contreras. Move Burleson to 1B.
(bleep), WillyCon has NTC thru 2026
Which only adds to the complications and validation that it was a very dumb signing.
He’s never hit 25 HR’s in his career, hits for a low average, can’t play his main position, blocks others at DH and 1B, and did I mention he’s going to be 34 and has never hit 25 HR’s in a season and he’s taking up DH and 1B.
Don't forget the part about he is their most productive hitter.
And don’t forget they’ve been the basement of the division or 10+ games back the entire time he’s been a Cardinal.
He’s in his mid 30’s, has never hit 25 HR’s in his career, failed to play the position signed to play, and doesn’t have the power to be signed as a free agent for DH and 1B.
From every single angle, pre-signing to the current moment it made absolutely no sense to sign and pay him.
Re: This could be the most practical way to get some needed '26 starting pitching
Posted: 31 Aug 2025 18:12 pm
by MIDMOBIRDTWO
Shady wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 17:33 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 17:30 pm
Shady wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 16:20 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 16:17 pm
Two of Burly/Noot/Gorman/Donovan need traded for sure. Noot and Donovan are the two I’d trade in a perfect scenario, but any two of those four is fine if the return is right.
I hold on to Gorman because of the needed power upside and Burly just because I think the other two will bring back more in a trade.
Another option, trade Contreras. Move Burleson to 1B.
That would be great. Get Herrera some reps there too. Not happening, though. As you’ve been told probably hundreds of times by now.
There's more to the advantage of trading Contreras. The money saved could be utilized for a FA starting pitcher of significance. Burleson would be fine at 1B, offensively and defensively.
Not enough slug on offense, not mobile enough on defense. Great trade candidate.