This could be the most practical way to get some needed '26 starting pitching

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This could be the most practical way to get some needed '26 starting pitching

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/ca ... 291d&ei=12
Right now, the Cardinals are going to need, at least, two additions to the '26 starting rotation. This makes sense as a way to try to get them.
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Re: This could be the most practical way to get some needed '26 starting pitching

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Two of Burly/Noot/Gorman/Donovan need traded for sure. Noot and Donovan are the two I’d trade in a perfect scenario, but any two of those four is fine if the return is right.

I hold on to Gorman because of the needed power upside and Burly just because I think the other two will bring back more in a trade.
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JohnnyMO wrote: 29 Aug 2025 16:17 pm Two of Burly/Noot/Gorman/Donovan need traded for sure. Noot and Donovan are the two I’d trade in a perfect scenario, but any two of those four is fine if the return is right.

I hold on to Gorman because of the needed power upside and Burly just because I think the other two will bring back more in a trade.
Another option, trade Contreras. Move Burleson to 1B.
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Shady wrote: 29 Aug 2025 16:20 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: 29 Aug 2025 16:17 pm Two of Burly/Noot/Gorman/Donovan need traded for sure. Noot and Donovan are the two I’d trade in a perfect scenario, but any two of those four is fine if the return is right.

I hold on to Gorman because of the needed power upside and Burly just because I think the other two will bring back more in a trade.
Another option, trade Contreras. Move Burleson to 1B.
(bleep), WillyCon has NTC thru 2026
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Re: This could be the most practical way to get some needed '26 starting pitching

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JohnnyMO wrote: 29 Aug 2025 16:17 pm Two of Burly/Noot/Gorman/Donovan need traded for sure. Noot and Donovan are the two I’d trade in a perfect scenario, but any two of those four is fine if the return is right.

I hold on to Gorman because of the needed power upside and Burly just because I think the other two will bring back more in a trade.
Add Hererra and Walker and make it 3of those 6 and it’s the 3 hat bring back the best 2 assets. They have to cut/trade 6 total to clean up the 40 man logjam
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Re: This could be the most practical way to get some needed '26 starting pitching

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scoutyjones2 wrote: 29 Aug 2025 16:25 pm
Shady wrote: 29 Aug 2025 16:20 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: 29 Aug 2025 16:17 pm Two of Burly/Noot/Gorman/Donovan need traded for sure. Noot and Donovan are the two I’d trade in a perfect scenario, but any two of those four is fine if the return is right.

I hold on to Gorman because of the needed power upside and Burly just because I think the other two will bring back more in a trade.
Another option, trade Contreras. Move Burleson to 1B.
(bleep), WillyCon has NTC thru 2026
Which only adds to the complications and validation that it was a very dumb signing.

He’s never hit 25 HR’s in his career, hits for a low average, can’t play his main position, blocks others at DH and 1B, and did I mention he’s going to be 34 and has never hit 25 HR’s in a season and he’s taking up DH and 1B.
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Re: This could be the most practical way to get some needed '26 starting pitching

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TheSolution wrote: 29 Aug 2025 17:14 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 29 Aug 2025 16:25 pm
Shady wrote: 29 Aug 2025 16:20 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: 29 Aug 2025 16:17 pm Two of Burly/Noot/Gorman/Donovan need traded for sure. Noot and Donovan are the two I’d trade in a perfect scenario, but any two of those four is fine if the return is right.

I hold on to Gorman because of the needed power upside and Burly just because I think the other two will bring back more in a trade.
Another option, trade Contreras. Move Burleson to 1B.
(bleep), WillyCon has NTC thru 2026
Which only adds to the complications and validation that it was a very dumb signing.

He’s never hit 25 HR’s in his career, hits for a low average, can’t play his main position, blocks others at DH and 1B, and did I mention he’s going to be 34 and has never hit 25 HR’s in a season and he’s taking up DH and 1B.
Nope. A perfectly good signing.

He's blocking no one from DH or 2b. He has hit 24.

Had some injury issues during his Cards career.

Anybody on this team leading in HRs or RBI's
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Re: This could be the most practical way to get some needed '26 starting pitching

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scoutyjones2 wrote: 29 Aug 2025 17:17 pm
TheSolution wrote: 29 Aug 2025 17:14 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 29 Aug 2025 16:25 pm
Shady wrote: 29 Aug 2025 16:20 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: 29 Aug 2025 16:17 pm Two of Burly/Noot/Gorman/Donovan need traded for sure. Noot and Donovan are the two I’d trade in a perfect scenario, but any two of those four is fine if the return is right.

I hold on to Gorman because of the needed power upside and Burly just because I think the other two will bring back more in a trade.
Another option, trade Contreras. Move Burleson to 1B.
(bleep), WillyCon has NTC thru 2026
Which only adds to the complications and validation that it was a very dumb signing.

He’s never hit 25 HR’s in his career, hits for a low average, can’t play his main position, blocks others at DH and 1B, and did I mention he’s going to be 34 and has never hit 25 HR’s in a season and he’s taking up DH and 1B.
Nope. A perfectly good signing.

He's blocking no one from DH or 2b. He has hit 24.

Had some injury issues during his Cards career.

Anybody on this team leading in HRs or RBI's
He doesn’t play 2b.

7 year ago, at the age of 27, he hit his max HR total in his career of a whopping 24, which is nowhere near what you’d want at DH or 1B when selecting a free agent for these spots.
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Shady wrote: 29 Aug 2025 16:20 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: 29 Aug 2025 16:17 pm Two of Burly/Noot/Gorman/Donovan need traded for sure. Noot and Donovan are the two I’d trade in a perfect scenario, but any two of those four is fine if the return is right.

I hold on to Gorman because of the needed power upside and Burly just because I think the other two will bring back more in a trade.
Another option, trade Contreras. Move Burleson to 1B.
That would be great. Get Herrera some reps there too. Not happening, though. As you’ve been told probably hundreds of times by now.
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Re: This could be the most practical way to get some needed '26 starting pitching

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TheSolution wrote: 29 Aug 2025 17:24 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 29 Aug 2025 17:17 pm
TheSolution wrote: 29 Aug 2025 17:14 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 29 Aug 2025 16:25 pm
Shady wrote: 29 Aug 2025 16:20 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: 29 Aug 2025 16:17 pm Two of Burly/Noot/Gorman/Donovan need traded for sure. Noot and Donovan are the two I’d trade in a perfect scenario, but any two of those four is fine if the return is right.

I hold on to Gorman because of the needed power upside and Burly just because I think the other two will bring back more in a trade.
Another option, trade Contreras. Move Burleson to 1B.
(bleep), WillyCon has NTC thru 2026
Which only adds to the complications and validation that it was a very dumb signing.

He’s never hit 25 HR’s in his career, hits for a low average, can’t play his main position, blocks others at DH and 1B, and did I mention he’s going to be 34 and has never hit 25 HR’s in a season and he’s taking up DH and 1B.
Nope. A perfectly good signing.

He's blocking no one from DH or 2b. He has hit 24.

Had some injury issues during his Cards career.

Anybody on this team leading in HRs or RBI's
He doesn’t play 2b.

7 year ago, at the age of 27, he hit his max HR total in his career of a whopping 24, which is nowhere near what you’d want at DH or 1B when selecting a free agent for these spots.
And when he did that he wasn't a DH or 1b, but you knew that.
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JohnnyMO wrote: 29 Aug 2025 17:30 pm
Shady wrote: 29 Aug 2025 16:20 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: 29 Aug 2025 16:17 pm Two of Burly/Noot/Gorman/Donovan need traded for sure. Noot and Donovan are the two I’d trade in a perfect scenario, but any two of those four is fine if the return is right.

I hold on to Gorman because of the needed power upside and Burly just because I think the other two will bring back more in a trade.
Another option, trade Contreras. Move Burleson to 1B.
That would be great. Get Herrera some reps there too. Not happening, though. As you’ve been told probably hundreds of times by now.
There's more to the advantage of trading Contreras. The money saved could be utilized for a FA starting pitcher of significance. Burleson would be fine at 1B, offensively and defensively.
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Shady wrote: 29 Aug 2025 17:33 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: 29 Aug 2025 17:30 pm
Shady wrote: 29 Aug 2025 16:20 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: 29 Aug 2025 16:17 pm Two of Burly/Noot/Gorman/Donovan need traded for sure. Noot and Donovan are the two I’d trade in a perfect scenario, but any two of those four is fine if the return is right.

I hold on to Gorman because of the needed power upside and Burly just because I think the other two will bring back more in a trade.
Another option, trade Contreras. Move Burleson to 1B.
That would be great. Get Herrera some reps there too. Not happening, though. As you’ve been told probably hundreds of times by now.
There's more to the advantage of trading Contreras. The money saved could be utilized for a FA starting pitcher of significance. Burleson would be fine at 1B, offensively and defensively.
Do you think Contreras would waive his no trade? He has stated he will not.

Do you think many teams would have interest if he did waive his no trade?
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JohnnyMO wrote: 29 Aug 2025 17:36 pm
Shady wrote: 29 Aug 2025 17:33 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: 29 Aug 2025 17:30 pm
Shady wrote: 29 Aug 2025 16:20 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: 29 Aug 2025 16:17 pm Two of Burly/Noot/Gorman/Donovan need traded for sure. Noot and Donovan are the two I’d trade in a perfect scenario, but any two of those four is fine if the return is right.

I hold on to Gorman because of the needed power upside and Burly just because I think the other two will bring back more in a trade.
Another option, trade Contreras. Move Burleson to 1B.
That would be great. Get Herrera some reps there too. Not happening, though. As you’ve been told probably hundreds of times by now.
There's more to the advantage of trading Contreras. The money saved could be utilized for a FA starting pitcher of significance. Burleson would be fine at 1B, offensively and defensively.
Do you think Contreras would waive his no trade? He has stated he will not.

Do you think many teams would have interest if he did waive his no trade?
Do you feel the Cardinals are screwed in trying to make this happen, somehow, in order to enhance the reset? Be creative in your thinking occasionally.
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Shady wrote: 29 Aug 2025 17:40 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: 29 Aug 2025 17:36 pm
Shady wrote: 29 Aug 2025 17:33 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: 29 Aug 2025 17:30 pm
Shady wrote: 29 Aug 2025 16:20 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: 29 Aug 2025 16:17 pm Two of Burly/Noot/Gorman/Donovan need traded for sure. Noot and Donovan are the two I’d trade in a perfect scenario, but any two of those four is fine if the return is right.

I hold on to Gorman because of the needed power upside and Burly just because I think the other two will bring back more in a trade.
Another option, trade Contreras. Move Burleson to 1B.
That would be great. Get Herrera some reps there too. Not happening, though. As you’ve been told probably hundreds of times by now.
There's more to the advantage of trading Contreras. The money saved could be utilized for a FA starting pitcher of significance. Burleson would be fine at 1B, offensively and defensively.
Do you think Contreras would waive his no trade? He has stated he will not.

Do you think many teams would have interest if he did waive his no trade?
Do you feel the Cardinals are screwed in trying to make this happen, somehow, in order to enhance the reset? Be creative in your thinking occasionally.
Be realistic in your thinking occasionally.
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Shady wrote: 29 Aug 2025 17:40 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: 29 Aug 2025 17:36 pm
Shady wrote: 29 Aug 2025 17:33 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: 29 Aug 2025 17:30 pm
Shady wrote: 29 Aug 2025 16:20 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: 29 Aug 2025 16:17 pm Two of Burly/Noot/Gorman/Donovan need traded for sure. Noot and Donovan are the two I’d trade in a perfect scenario, but any two of those four is fine if the return is right.

I hold on to Gorman because of the needed power upside and Burly just because I think the other two will bring back more in a trade.
Another option, trade Contreras. Move Burleson to 1B.
That would be great. Get Herrera some reps there too. Not happening, though. As you’ve been told probably hundreds of times by now.
There's more to the advantage of trading Contreras. The money saved could be utilized for a FA starting pitcher of significance. Burleson would be fine at 1B, offensively and defensively.
Do you think Contreras would waive his no trade? He has stated he will not.

Do you think many teams would have interest if he did waive his no trade?
Do you feel the Cardinals are screwed in trying to make this happen, somehow, in order to enhance the reset? Be creative in your thinking occasionally.
Please explain how you would be "creative" in convincing Contreras to waive his NTC when he is happy here? We know you're dying to see him gone so your dreamboat could take over 1B, but it's not happening soon.
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Mort Gage wrote: 29 Aug 2025 17:46 pm
Shady wrote: 29 Aug 2025 17:40 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: 29 Aug 2025 17:36 pm
Shady wrote: 29 Aug 2025 17:33 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: 29 Aug 2025 17:30 pm
Shady wrote: 29 Aug 2025 16:20 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: 29 Aug 2025 16:17 pm Two of Burly/Noot/Gorman/Donovan need traded for sure. Noot and Donovan are the two I’d trade in a perfect scenario, but any two of those four is fine if the return is right.

I hold on to Gorman because of the needed power upside and Burly just because I think the other two will bring back more in a trade.
Another option, trade Contreras. Move Burleson to 1B.
That would be great. Get Herrera some reps there too. Not happening, though. As you’ve been told probably hundreds of times by now.
There's more to the advantage of trading Contreras. The money saved could be utilized for a FA starting pitcher of significance. Burleson would be fine at 1B, offensively and defensively.
Do you think Contreras would waive his no trade? He has stated he will not.

Do you think many teams would have interest if he did waive his no trade?
Do you feel the Cardinals are screwed in trying to make this happen, somehow, in order to enhance the reset? Be creative in your thinking occasionally.
Please explain how you would be "creative" in convincing Contreras to waive his NTC when he is happy here? We know you're dying to see him gone so your dreamboat could take over 1B, but it's not happening soon.
I’d also like to see that creative thinking put to use to suggest some possible landing spots Contreras might consider that would be looking for a veteran right hander bat for 1B/DH.
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