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But still a MLB team?rockondlouie wrote: ↑12 Aug 2025 08:40 amAgainst an 88 lose team headed for 100+ loses.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑12 Aug 2025 05:49 am No hitter into sixth and trailing when he left in the seventh. No decision.
Cardinals are loaded with #5 pitchers.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑12 Aug 2025 08:46 amBut still a MLB team?rockondlouie wrote: ↑12 Aug 2025 08:40 amAgainst an 88 lose team headed for 100+ loses.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑12 Aug 2025 05:49 am No hitter into sixth and trailing when he left in the seventh. No decision.
AAAA teamsikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑12 Aug 2025 08:46 amBut still a MLB team?rockondlouie wrote: ↑12 Aug 2025 08:40 amAgainst an 88 lose team headed for 100+ loses.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑12 Aug 2025 05:49 am No hitter into sixth and trailing when he left in the seventh. No decision.
I get the Pallante doubts. I see him as a number five. Every team needs one. He makes a great great. When he’s on, he’s unbeatable. There is that potential.
He is only "on" about 1 in 5 starts, and like last night, after he had already surrendered 4 early runs. Not good enough for even a #5 starter. Use him in long relief, or trade him in a package. I have seen enough of him.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 09:14 amI get the Pallante doubts. I see him as a number five. Every team needs one. He makes a great great. When he’s on, he’s unbeatable. There is that potential.
I tout your stats input. I didn’t think it was one in five, that is a bit strong. I hear ya, surrendered runs early is a drag. But 8 K’s and a decent four addition innings. That’s close if not three times thru the lineup.12xu wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 09:18 amHe is only "on" about 1 in 5 starts, and like last night, after he had already surrendered 4 early runs. Not good enough for even a #5 starter. Use him in long relief, or trade him in a package. I have seen enough of him.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 09:14 amI get the Pallante doubts. I see him as a number five. Every team needs one. He makes a great great. When he’s on, he’s unbeatable. There is that potential.
I see a lot of potential with Pallante. Reminds me a bit of the early Kyle Lohse type, who matured as a good starter only when reaching age 29 with the Cardinals, after struggling earlier in his career with inconsistency.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 09:21 amI tout your stats input. I didn’t think it was one in five, that is a bit strong. I hear ya, surrendered runs early is a drag. But 8 K’s and a decent four addition innings. That’s close if not three times thru the lineup.12xu wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 09:18 amHe is only "on" about 1 in 5 starts, and like last night, after he had already surrendered 4 early runs. Not good enough for even a #5 starter. Use him in long relief, or trade him in a package. I have seen enough of him.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 09:14 amI get the Pallante doubts. I see him as a number five. Every team needs one. He makes a great great. When he’s on, he’s unbeatable. There is that potential.
Good write. Fair. I like Pallante because- who else you gonna get to do a better job as a five. There are 180 starting pitchers. 30 number fives. Which will do better?The Nard wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 09:31 amI see a lot of potential with Pallante. Reminds me a bit of the early Kyle Lohse type, who matured as a good starter only when reaching age 29 with the Cardinals, after struggling earlier in his career with inconsistency.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 09:21 amI tout your stats input. I didn’t think it was one in five, that is a bit strong. I hear ya, surrendered runs early is a drag. But 8 K’s and a decent four addition innings. That’s close if not three times thru the lineup.12xu wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 09:18 amHe is only "on" about 1 in 5 starts, and like last night, after he had already surrendered 4 early runs. Not good enough for even a #5 starter. Use him in long relief, or trade him in a package. I have seen enough of him.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 09:14 amI get the Pallante doubts. I see him as a number five. Every team needs one. He makes a great great. When he’s on, he’s unbeatable. There is that potential.
Perhaps his warm up routine needs a closer examination. It’s time for him to “ask a veteran”; Wainwright, maybe ( although his warmups were brief)?
Yep
Sorry BDog I know he's been your guy and we've had many chats about himsikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 09:14 amI get the Pallante doubts. I see him as a number five. Every team needs one. He makes a great great. When he’s on, he’s unbeatable. There is that potential.
I’m still gonna disagree. You get four solid starters above number five and five becomes a non factor.rockondlouie wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 09:44 amYep
Gray
Libby
McG
Leahy (reportedly being converted to a starter)
Bloom trades for or signs (an inexpensive starter)
Doyle should be on a very fast track, "Q" could be as well.
Plenty of starters but one things for sure, Pallante must go!
Yeah, I was surprised to see that Pallante had struck out 8. That's more than usual but he still doesn't consistently miss enough bats. He really needs to develop a split finger or some kind of out pitch. It may be too late in the game for him to do that I guess. Imanaga just kills batters with that split. It would be nice to see some Cards pitchers develop that.rockondlouie wrote: ↑10 Aug 2025 09:01 am NO WAY A. Pallante can be in the2026 starting rotation plans.
He's got similar stats to one of the worst starters in MLB, M. Mikolas:
Pallante
23 GS
4.95 ERA
4.51 FiP
1.37 WHiP
5.8 SO9
Mikolas
22 GS
5.11 ERA
4.90 FiP
1.32 WHiP
6.2 SO9
Back to trying to win a spot in the 2026 bullpen, he's NOT even a #5 major league starter.
Yankees hitters have been struggling lately, 45 KO's in their last 160 AB's!CCard wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 09:53 amYeah, I was surprised to see that Pallante had struck out 8. That's more than usual but he still doesn't consistently miss enough bats. He really needs to develop a split finger or some kind of out pitch. It may be too late in the game for him to do that I guess. Imanaga just kills batters with that split. It would be nice to see some Cards pitchers develop that.rockondlouie wrote: ↑10 Aug 2025 09:01 am NO WAY A. Pallante can be in the2026 starting rotation plans.
He's got similar stats to one of the worst starters in MLB, M. Mikolas:
Pallante
23 GS
4.95 ERA
4.51 FiP
1.37 WHiP
5.8 SO9
Mikolas
22 GS
5.11 ERA
4.90 FiP
1.32 WHiP
6.2 SO9
Back to trying to win a spot in the 2026 bullpen, he's NOT even a #5 major league starter.
Not fair. He also struck out eight in five innings/ and it was a better team of hitters. For a five, four runs in five innings is too many. Three runs, for a five, is reasonable.rockondlouie wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 09:56 amYankees hitters have been struggling lately, 45 KO's in their last 160 AB's!CCard wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 09:53 amYeah, I was surprised to see that Pallante had struck out 8. That's more than usual but he still doesn't consistently miss enough bats. He really needs to develop a split finger or some kind of out pitch. It may be too late in the game for him to do that I guess. Imanaga just kills batters with that split. It would be nice to see some Cards pitchers develop that.rockondlouie wrote: ↑10 Aug 2025 09:01 am NO WAY A. Pallante can be in the2026 starting rotation plans.
He's got similar stats to one of the worst starters in MLB, M. Mikolas:
Pallante
23 GS
4.95 ERA
4.51 FiP
1.37 WHiP
5.8 SO9
Mikolas
22 GS
5.11 ERA
4.90 FiP
1.32 WHiP
6.2 SO9
Back to trying to win a spot in the 2026 bullpen, he's NOT even a #5 major league starter.