Where is our Tage Thompson?

[dhsux]

Careless use of "we".

Great. The dawg just came out of his house and howled at nothing again.

Do you own a home?

Or did you lie to your lender and got rejected?

[a smell of green grass]

Careless use of "we".

Great. The dawg just came out of his house and howled at nothing again.

Do you own a home?

Or did you lie to your lender and got rejected?

I'm doing fine in every way, but enough about me. No one cares to hear about me, and I hate boring people.

This post is asking why we have no Tage Thompson. We gave away the stars of the 2019 cup, and we have nothing to show for it.

Maybe ask Army where he lives.

[Inglewood Jack]

Careless use of "we".

Great. The dawg just came out of his house and howled at nothing again.

Do you own a home?

Or did you lie to your lender and got rejected?

I'm doing fine in every way, but enough about me. No one cares to hear about me, and I hate boring people.

This post is asking why we have no Tage Thompson. We gave away the stars of the 2019 cup, and we have nothing to show for it.

Maybe ask Army where he lives.

TT is not a top 5 pick, so according to your prior, ahem, "logic" he doesnt matter anyway, like Steve Yzerman or Colton Parayko, and you must love Nail.....

[zamadoo]

I know I’m wasting my time but it’s also extremely rare to see a trade that works out the way the ROR trade did, where each team ends up with a major win of some kind. We got the Cup. They got a star. The only other one that comes to mind is Nieuwendyk for Iginla. Dallas got their Cup and Calgary got a future HOFer.

So let's replay how good our transactions were.

Vegas got Pietrangelo and Barbashev, and they won a Stanley Cup.
The Blues got nothing for either player.

Toronto got ROR and they won their first playoff round in 19 years.
The Blues got some prospects that haven't made it to the NHL yet, much less make any sort of impact.

Tage Thompson is a prospect that paid off. Buffalo has 1 very beautiful bird in hand in exchange for ROR. St louis has 6 prospects in the bush for all of the stars of their 2019 Cup.

Tage Thompson was 24 when he finally broke out with a good season. He wins only 42% of draws, was a wing for the Blues, and really slots better at wing than center. Prior to his age 24 season, fans in STL had almost forgotten his name and considered the trade very lopsided, with only a bit of a chance of Tage actually evening it out for Buffalo.
https://www.hockey-reference.com/player ... pta01.html

Zach Dean is 22 and good at faceoffs - a pure center
Dalibor Dvorsky is 20 (as of a week ago) and good at faceoffs - a pure center
Robert Thomas was 19 at the time of the Tage Thompson trade, and he is a top center in the league

Edit: Also worth noting that Petro and Schwartz left as UFAs. Vince Dunn was lost in the expansion. We cashed in on ROR, Tarasenko, and Barbs to come out with a pretty good haul: Dvorsky (our pick), Lindstein, Stenberg, and Dean (plus others). ROR and Tarasenko have been mediocre to bad since their last season(s) here and after we traded them.

Vegas has never drafted in the top-5. Their first draft in 2017 they took Cody Glass #6 and Suzuki #13. Glass is not very good at all and has bounced around after being traded for former #2OA Nolan Patrick, who is now retired at only 26 years old. Suzuki is very good and plays for Montreal (traded for 30 y/o Max Pacioretty who did not win a Cup with Vegas). After losing in the semi-finals, Vegas drafted Zach Dean #30 OA, who was later traded for Barbashev (a pending UFA who was a #33 OA pick and was a 4th liner that didn't eclipse 30 points in a season until he was 26).

Vegas is perhaps the worst case to bring up for your argument that we should completely tank several years straight for top-5 picks because only top-5 picks are any good and the only way to get you to a Cup.

Furthermore, you fail to see past the lens of the here and now by refusing to acknowledge that prospects take time to develop, such as Tage Thompson, who in 2018 would've fit your argument for Buffalo to have wasted ROR in a horrible trade because Tage and the 1st were "some prospects that haven't made it to the NHL yet, much less make any sort of impact."

[a smell of green grass]

I see clarification is needed. When I ask where is our Tage Thompson, I’m asking where is our young NHL talent to show for what we gave up.

Some think that we should be satisfied with getting prospects, knowing full well that 95% of all prospects fail.

Is more time needed for this to happen? Yes. Sure. However, it is also true that the more time passes, the less likely we are to get an inpact player like TT.

[Stlcardsblues]

The Blues gave up prospect Tage Thompson to get ROR for their Stanley Cup run.

The Blues then lost Pietrangelo, ROR, Tarasenko, Barbashev, and Schwarz to other teams for their playoff runs.

Where is our young "Tage Thompson" in return for all of those players that we gave up?

Can somebody ask Army?

Completely different situations. O’Reilly was not a pending UFA at the trade deadline when we traded for him. When we trade him and the others he was going to be a pending UFA.

You are not going to get a top young player for a rental unless it’s an elite game changer.

We will need to see what the draft pics we received in those trades turn into. I have no regrets on the Thompson trade. I would do it 100 out of a 100 times.

[a smell of green grass]

The Blues gave up prospect Tage Thompson to get ROR for their Stanley Cup run.

The Blues then lost Pietrangelo, ROR, Tarasenko, Barbashev, and Schwarz to other teams for their playoff runs.

Where is our young "Tage Thompson" in return for all of those players that we gave up?

Can somebody ask Army?

Completely different situations. O’Reilly was not a pending UFA at the trade deadline when we traded for him. When we trade him and the others he was going to be a pending UFA.

You are not going to get a top young player for a rental unless it’s an elite game changer.

We will need to see what the draft pics we received in those trades turn into. I have no regrets on the Thompson trade. I would do it 100 out of a 100 times.

Some teams deal their star players while they still have trade value. The Blues keep their players until their trade value diminishes. We gave up our players and got nothing in return — thus far —- And that is the bottom line.

[somni]

The Blues gave up prospect Tage Thompson to get ROR for their Stanley Cup run.

The Blues then lost Pietrangelo, ROR, Tarasenko, Barbashev, and Schwarz to other teams for their playoff runs.

Where is our young "Tage Thompson" in return for all of those players that we gave up?

Can somebody ask Army?

Completely different situations. O’Reilly was not a pending UFA at the trade deadline when we traded for him. When we trade him and the others he was going to be a pending UFA.

You are not going to get a top young player for a rental unless it’s an elite game changer.

We will need to see what the draft pics we received in those trades turn into. I have no regrets on the Thompson trade. I would do it 100 out of a 100 times.

Some teams deal their star players while they still have trade value. The Blues keep their players until their trade value diminishes. We gave up our players and got nothing in return — thus far —- And that is the bottom line.

It's not the bottom line. It's short-sighted. The Blues had their core and went as far as they could. The 22/23 season was the end, so Army traded key pieces of the core to start the re-tool or re-build or whatever you call it. That process takes more than 2 years to be competitive and it's only been two years.

With those trades, the Blues got some very nice assets (as MN pointed out). Now the Blues were able to speed up the process because the astute signing of Holloway and Broberg. And in year #2 of the process the Blues made the playoffs. Great turnaround. The Blues will only be more competitive in the next coming years and those assets we got will play an important process.

I can't believe anyone would complain about this, but not surprised.

[BluesDom]

We have Neighbours, Dvorsky, Snuggerud, Bolduc, Holloway, Kyrou, Thomas.
Lots of potential and established production. We dont need exactly Tage Thompson. We have drafted and acquired good offensive players.

[chuckt]

I can't believe this thread has gone on for several pages. The premise is an intellectually bankrupt perspective.

The Blues gave up Tage Thompson to get ROR in his prime, signed to a contract with multiple years of control. On top of this, no one expected Tage to be this good, so Buffalo benefitted from some luck. Tage also took several years to pop off.

The Blues traded off older players who were past their prime and on expiring contracts. Neither were Conn Smythe winners for their team.

[a smell of green grass]

I can't believe this thread has gone on for several pages. The premise is an intellectually bankrupt perspective.

The Blues gave up Tage Thompson to get ROR in his prime, signed to a contract with multiple years of control. On top of this, no one expected Tage to be this good, so Buffalo benefitted from some luck. Tage also took several years to pop off.

The Blues traded off older players who were past their prime and on expiring contracts. Neither were Conn Smythe winners for their team.

Buffalo parlayed one player with no cup credentials into TT.

Army parlayed the stars from our cup win into NOTHING— thus far.

[netboy65]

I can't believe this thread has gone on for several pages. The premise is an intellectually bankrupt perspective.

The Blues gave up Tage Thompson to get ROR in his prime, signed to a contract with multiple years of control. On top of this, no one expected Tage to be this good, so Buffalo benefitted from some luck. Tage also took several years to pop off.

The Blues traded off older players who were past their prime and on expiring contracts. Neither were Conn Smythe winners for their team.

Buffalo parlayed one player with no cup credentials into TT.

Army parlayed the stars from our cup win into NOTHING— thus far.

I’ll ask again, what has Buffalo done with this star player? When was the last time they made the playoffs?

First it was we traded our stars, now it’s we hung onto them too long.
There’s heat warnings out today, I’d refrain from moving the goalposts any more if I were you (and I’m glad I’m not)

[a smell of green grass]

I can't believe this thread has gone on for several pages. The premise is an intellectually bankrupt perspective.

The Blues gave up Tage Thompson to get ROR in his prime, signed to a contract with multiple years of control. On top of this, no one expected Tage to be this good, so Buffalo benefitted from some luck. Tage also took several years to pop off.

The Blues traded off older players who were past their prime and on expiring contracts. Neither were Conn Smythe winners for their team.

Buffalo parlayed one player with no cup credentials into TT.

Army parlayed the stars from our cup win into NOTHING— thus far.

I’ll ask again, what has Buffalo done with this star player? When was the last time they made the playoffs?

First it was we traded our stars, now it’s we hung onto them too long.
There’s heat warnings out today, I’d refrain from moving the goalposts any more if I were you (and I’m glad I’m not)

Ill ignore one more time. What Buffalo accomplished with TT is 100% irrelevant to this discussion. Buffalo got a good young player in exchange for ROR. The Blues have got no NHL quality thus far. Bottom line.

[chuckt]

I can't believe this thread has gone on for several pages. The premise is an intellectually bankrupt perspective.

The Blues gave up Tage Thompson to get ROR in his prime, signed to a contract with multiple years of control. On top of this, no one expected Tage to be this good, so Buffalo benefitted from some luck. Tage also took several years to pop off.

The Blues traded off older players who were past their prime and on expiring contracts. Neither were Conn Smythe winners for their team.

Buffalo parlayed one player with no cup credentials into TT.

Army parlayed the stars from our cup win into NOTHING— thus far.

Our stars were old and on the downslope. They weren't worth the same as ROR was when we traded for him. This isn't rocket science.

If we traded Thomas right now and received only a late first, then you would have a good point. As it stands, you have no point.

[somni]

I can't believe this thread has gone on for several pages. The premise is an intellectually bankrupt perspective.

The Blues gave up Tage Thompson to get ROR in his prime, signed to a contract with multiple years of control. On top of this, no one expected Tage to be this good, so Buffalo benefitted from some luck. Tage also took several years to pop off.

The Blues traded off older players who were past their prime and on expiring contracts. Neither were Conn Smythe winners for their team.

Buffalo parlayed one player with no cup credentials into TT.

Army parlayed the stars from our cup win into NOTHING— thus far.

I’ll ask again, what has Buffalo done with this star player? When was the last time they made the playoffs?

First it was we traded our stars, now it’s we hung onto them too long.
There’s heat warnings out today, I’d refrain from moving the goalposts any more if I were you (and I’m glad I’m not)

Ill ignore one more time. What Buffalo accomplished with TT is 100% irrelevant to this discussion. Buffalo got a good young player in exchange for ROR. The Blues have got no NHL quality thus far. Bottom line.

Tage Thompson was traded on July 1st, 2018. It took year #4 before he made any sort of impact. Blues are approaching year #3.
And the trades were different, as has been explained to you 1,000,000,000 times.

There is no bottom line because the lines are drawn yet. That's how trades work.

[WeWentBlues0819]

The Blues gave up prospect Tage Thompson to get ROR for their Stanley Cup run.

The Blues then lost Pietrangelo, ROR, Tarasenko, Barbashev, and Schwarz to other teams for their playoff runs.

Where is our young "Tage Thompson" in return for all of those players that we gave up?

Can somebody ask Army?

Holloway.

The draft pick capital and cap space made that possible.

Done.

GTFOH