Futuregm2 wrote: ↑03 Jun 2025 13:37 pm
Contreras had a .784 OPS in the month of May following a .986 OPS over his final 12 games of April.
Over his last 37 games/156 PA he has a .296 avg, .844 OPS, and 24 RBI.
By the end of the season he will have the numbers he typical puts up OPS wise and his RBI is already on a pace for about 85-90 RBI. At the end of the first 2 months or so he had 30 RBI, that would be a pace for 90 RBI and that was even with a slow start. I wouldn’t be surprised if he finishes in the 90-100 RBI range and 25 HRs.
You’re right, stop embarrassing yourself.
The fact is, we’re 1/3 through the season and his numbers are for all to see. If you see the remainder of the season production like what you cherry picked…..lets all hope so
So what is the issue with a pace for 90 RBI? That would be more RBI than our 3/4 hitters last year. And our current 3 hole hitter has 14 RBI over his last 45 games (193 PAs).
I have no problem with the RBI’s….if he continues the pace…his high is 75. As you can see his overall doesn’t look appreciably better than his career avg. with the whole point being that many posters thought he’d be elite not catching. He ain’t elite.
He got off to a very slow start, since April 18th he has the 2nd best OPS among 1B in the NL behind Freddie Freeman. Given that is more like the hitter he has been, I’m willing to bet that he’ll look much stronger when 2025 is all said and done. And because he should continue to stay healthier his counting numbers will likely be career bests.
And if the Cards continue the offensive run like were on in MAY the club should be well ahead in the NLC, but do you see this sustaining?
If we’re doing sample sizes, his last 5games he was 4for20 with 1 double and 0HR so….
April: 4.71 R/Game
May: 4.66 R/Game
I think they have a pretty deep lineup where almost any night any of the players could provide the spark needed. They need more HR power, but their doubles have made up for it this year (4th in the MLB) at least somewhat. Their average (4th) has been good, OBP good (7th in MLB), and RISP has not been the issue that it was last year. Hopefully Walker is not out too long and comes back the way that he was looking when he got hurt. That was really the only weak spot in the lineup offensively other than catcher.
I really wish they had another middle of the order bat to push Donovan into the 2 hole or 6 hole.
Donovan is exactly where he should be at #3.
Precisely as I advised before the season began.
Just yesterday you said you advised everyone in ST for Burleson to hit 3rd.
Typo - that's on me.
My position has been clear and unequivocal.
Near the end of ST, someone originated a thread asking about preferred lineup.
At the time, I said it should be (against RH starters) Scott 1, Winn 2, Donovan 3, Contreras 4, Burleson 5, Gorman 6, Walker 7, Pages/Herrera 8, and Mootbaar 9.
Other than Herrera's hot streak having a little bit of a subsequent impact, I stand by that and have never wavered.
Everyone objected at the time, but it is rather obvious (and of course predicable and inevitable) that I have been proven 100% correct on every point - with the previously noted exception of Herrera's small sample breakout.
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑03 Jun 2025 13:37 pm
Contreras had a .784 OPS in the month of May following a .986 OPS over his final 12 games of April.
Over his last 37 games/156 PA he has a .296 avg, .844 OPS, and 24 RBI.
By the end of the season he will have the numbers he typical puts up OPS wise and his RBI is already on a pace for about 85-90 RBI. At the end of the first 2 months or so he had 30 RBI, that would be a pace for 90 RBI and that was even with a slow start. I wouldn’t be surprised if he finishes in the 90-100 RBI range and 25 HRs.
You’re right, stop embarrassing yourself.
The fact is, we’re 1/3 through the season and his numbers are for all to see. If you see the remainder of the season production like what you cherry picked…..lets all hope so
So what is the issue with a pace for 90 RBI? That would be more RBI than our 3/4 hitters last year. And our current 3 hole hitter has 14 RBI over his last 45 games (193 PAs).
I have no problem with the RBI’s….if he continues the pace…his high is 75. As you can see his overall doesn’t look appreciably better than his career avg. with the whole point being that many posters thought he’d be elite not catching. He ain’t elite.
He got off to a very slow start, since April 18th he has the 2nd best OPS among 1B in the NL behind Freddie Freeman. Given that is more like the hitter he has been, I’m willing to bet that he’ll look much stronger when 2025 is all said and done. And because he should continue to stay healthier his counting numbers will likely be career bests.
And if the Cards continue the offensive run like were on in MAY the club should be well ahead in the NLC, but do you see this sustaining?
If we’re doing sample sizes, his last 5games he was 4for20 with 1 double and 0HR so….
April: 4.71 R/Game
May: 4.66 R/Game
I think they have a pretty deep lineup where almost any night any of the players could provide the spark needed. They need more HR power, but their doubles have made up for it this year (4th in the MLB) at least somewhat. Their average (4th) has been good, OBP good (7th in MLB), and RISP has not been the issue that it was last year. Hopefully Walker is not out too long and comes back the way that he was looking when he got hurt. That was really the only weak spot in the lineup offensively other than catcher.
I really wish they had another middle of the order bat to push Donovan into the 2 hole or 6 hole.
Donovan is exactly where he should be at #3.
Precisely as I advised before the season began.
Just yesterday you said you advised everyone in ST for Burleson to hit 3rd.
Typo - that's on me.
My position has been clear and unequivocal.
Near the end of ST, someone originated a thread asking about preferred lineup.
At the time, I said it should be (against RH starters) Scott 1, Winn 2, Donovan 3, Contreras 4, Burleson 5, Gorman 6, Walker 7, Pages/Herrera 8, and Mootbaar 9.
Other than Herrera's hot streak having a little bit of a subsequent impact, I stand by that and have never wavered.
Everyone objected at the time, but it is rather obvious (and of course predicable and inevitable) that I have been proven 100% correct on every point - with the previously noted exception of Herrera's small sample breakout.
Yes, I can see how you can mean to type Donovan but instead type Burleson. Totally believable.
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑03 Jun 2025 13:37 pm
Contreras had a .784 OPS in the month of May following a .986 OPS over his final 12 games of April.
Over his last 37 games/156 PA he has a .296 avg, .844 OPS, and 24 RBI.
By the end of the season he will have the numbers he typical puts up OPS wise and his RBI is already on a pace for about 85-90 RBI. At the end of the first 2 months or so he had 30 RBI, that would be a pace for 90 RBI and that was even with a slow start. I wouldn’t be surprised if he finishes in the 90-100 RBI range and 25 HRs.
You’re right, stop embarrassing yourself.
The fact is, we’re 1/3 through the season and his numbers are for all to see. If you see the remainder of the season production like what you cherry picked…..lets all hope so
So what is the issue with a pace for 90 RBI? That would be more RBI than our 3/4 hitters last year. And our current 3 hole hitter has 14 RBI over his last 45 games (193 PAs).
I have no problem with the RBI’s….if he continues the pace…his high is 75. As you can see his overall doesn’t look appreciably better than his career avg. with the whole point being that many posters thought he’d be elite not catching. He ain’t elite.
He got off to a very slow start, since April 18th he has the 2nd best OPS among 1B in the NL behind Freddie Freeman. Given that is more like the hitter he has been, I’m willing to bet that he’ll look much stronger when 2025 is all said and done. And because he should continue to stay healthier his counting numbers will likely be career bests.
And if the Cards continue the offensive run like were on in MAY the club should be well ahead in the NLC, but do you see this sustaining?
If we’re doing sample sizes, his last 5games he was 4for20 with 1 double and 0HR so….
April: 4.71 R/Game
May: 4.66 R/Game
I think they have a pretty deep lineup where almost any night any of the players could provide the spark needed. They need more HR power, but their doubles have made up for it this year (4th in the MLB) at least somewhat. Their average (4th) has been good, OBP good (7th in MLB), and RISP has not been the issue that it was last year. Hopefully Walker is not out too long and comes back the way that he was looking when he got hurt. That was really the only weak spot in the lineup offensively other than catcher.
I really wish they had another middle of the order bat to push Donovan into the 2 hole or 6 hole.
Donovan is exactly where he should be at #3.
Precisely as I advised before the season began.
Just yesterday you said you advised everyone in ST for Burleson to hit 3rd.
Typo - that's on me.
My position has been clear and unequivocal.
Near the end of ST, someone originated a thread asking about preferred lineup.
At the time, I said it should be (against RH starters) Scott 1, Winn 2, Donovan 3, Contreras 4, Burleson 5, Gorman 6, Walker 7, Pages/Herrera 8, and Mootbaar 9.
Other than Herrera's hot streak having a little bit of a subsequent impact, I stand by that and have never wavered.
Everyone objected at the time, but it is rather obvious (and of course predicable and inevitable) that I have been proven 100% correct on every point - with the previously noted exception of Herrera's small sample breakout.
Yes, I can see how you can mean to type Donovan but instead type Burleson. Totally believable.
Get ole WC out from behind home plate and watch that offense explode……they say
Once healthy and not burdened by catching 90games a year you will see a top of league bat…..they say
WC is 33 yr old with an extensive hitting history, please the next time around do some research before embarrassing yourself!!
.3 bWAR 1/3 of the way through the seasons with an OPS a tick under 700.
Not gud
He’s barely better than Goldy’s ‘24 April/May……with less HR….
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑03 Jun 2025 13:37 pm
Contreras had a .784 OPS in the month of May following a .986 OPS over his final 12 games of April.
Over his last 37 games/156 PA he has a .296 avg, .844 OPS, and 24 RBI.
By the end of the season he will have the numbers he typical puts up OPS wise and his RBI is already on a pace for about 85-90 RBI. At the end of the first 2 months or so he had 30 RBI, that would be a pace for 90 RBI and that was even with a slow start. I wouldn’t be surprised if he finishes in the 90-100 RBI range and 25 HRs.
You’re right, stop embarrassing yourself.
The fact is, we’re 1/3 through the season and his numbers are for all to see. If you see the remainder of the season production like what you cherry picked…..lets all hope so
So what is the issue with a pace for 90 RBI? That would be more RBI than our 3/4 hitters last year. And our current 3 hole hitter has 14 RBI over his last 45 games (193 PAs).
I have no problem with the RBI’s….if he continues the pace…his high is 75. As you can see his overall doesn’t look appreciably better than his career avg. with the whole point being that many posters thought he’d be elite not catching. He ain’t elite.
It will be interesting to see if Contreras can match last season's top RBI producer.
Hopefully, 78 RBI for a “top RBI producer” is atrocious.
Not for a player making close to the minimum salary. The big money offensive players need to at least deliver that.
well we certainly don't have to worry about Burleson getting 78 rbi this year. Definitely has taken some steps backwards
Contreras is hitting .306/.359/.583 in June so far with 12 RBI in 9 games.
Also now hitting .299/.382/.491 since April 18 over 191 PAs with 11 doubles, 7 HR, 35 RBI in 45 games. Since that date he is T-10th in baseball in RBI. Tied with Freeman for 2nd among 1B in RBI behind Alonso.
Contreras is hitting .306/.359/.583 in June so far with 12 RBI in 9 games.
Also now hitting .299/.382/.491 since April 18 over 191 PAs with 11 doubles, 7 HR, 35 RBI in 45 games. Since that date he is T-10th in baseball in RBI. Tied with Freeman for 2nd among 1B in RBI behind Alonso.
Can you project his stats had he not started so slowly.
Contreras is hitting .306/.359/.583 in June so far with 12 RBI in 9 games.
Also now hitting .299/.382/.491 since April 18 over 191 PAs with 11 doubles, 7 HR, 35 RBI in 45 games. Since that date he is T-10th in baseball in RBI. Tied with Freeman for 2nd among 1B in RBI behind Alonso.
Can you project his stats had he not started so slowly.
I don’t know, I tend to just look forward. I think he’ll end up fine. In 2023 he had a .654 OPS at the end of May and finished with a team best .826 OPS. He had a .964 OPS from June 1st through the end of the season. I think he’ll ultimately end up with an .800-.830 OPS again with 20-25 HRs and 90-100 RBI.
Contreras is hitting .306/.359/.583 in June so far with 12 RBI in 9 games.
Also now hitting .299/.382/.491 since April 18 over 191 PAs with 11 doubles, 7 HR, 35 RBI in 45 games. Since that date he is T-10th in baseball in RBI. Tied with Freeman for 2nd among 1B in RBI behind Alonso.
Can you project his stats had he not started so slowly.
I don’t know, I tend to just look forward. I think he’ll end up fine. In 2023 he had a .654 OPS at the end of May and finished with a team best .826 OPS. He had a .964 OPS from June 1st through the end of the season. I think he’ll ultimately end up with an .800-.830 OPS again with 20-25 HRs and 90-100 RBI.
Agree. As long as he stays healthy and moving him to first will help that the numbers will be there
Contreras is hitting .306/.359/.583 in June so far with 12 RBI in 9 games.
Also now hitting .299/.382/.491 since April 18 over 191 PAs with 11 doubles, 7 HR, 35 RBI in 45 games. Since that date he is T-10th in baseball in RBI. Tied with Freeman for 2nd among 1B in RBI behind Alonso.
Can you project his stats had he not started so slowly.
I don’t know, I tend to just look forward. I think he’ll end up fine. In 2023 he had a .654 OPS at the end of May and finished with a team best .826 OPS. He had a .964 OPS from June 1st through the end of the season. I think he’ll ultimately end up with an .800-.830 OPS again with 20-25 HRs and 90-100 RBI.
Thats strong. And minus his slump those would be league leading numbers?
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑03 Jun 2025 13:37 pm
Contreras had a .784 OPS in the month of May following a .986 OPS over his final 12 games of April.
Over his last 37 games/156 PA he has a .296 avg, .844 OPS, and 24 RBI.
By the end of the season he will have the numbers he typical puts up OPS wise and his RBI is already on a pace for about 85-90 RBI. At the end of the first 2 months or so he had 30 RBI, that would be a pace for 90 RBI and that was even with a slow start. I wouldn’t be surprised if he finishes in the 90-100 RBI range and 25 HRs.
You’re right, stop embarrassing yourself.
The fact is, we’re 1/3 through the season and his numbers are for all to see. If you see the remainder of the season production like what you cherry picked…..lets all hope so
So what is the issue with a pace for 90 RBI? That would be more RBI than our 3/4 hitters last year. And our current 3 hole hitter has 14 RBI over his last 45 games (193 PAs).
I have no problem with the RBI’s….if he continues the pace…his high is 75. As you can see his overall doesn’t look appreciably better than his career avg. with the whole point being that many posters thought he’d be elite not catching. He ain’t elite.
He got off to a very slow start, since April 18th he has the 2nd best OPS among 1B in the NL behind Freddie Freeman. Given that is more like the hitter he has been, I’m willing to bet that he’ll look much stronger when 2025 is all said and done. And because he should continue to stay healthier his counting numbers will likely be career bests.
Yes
He was awful through most of April.
Since then he has been one of the best hitters in the NL.
I’d be way more concerned if he was trending in the opposite direction
