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AVG
.242
Tied-113th
HR
6
Tied-113th
RBI
31
Tied-54th
OPS
.699

Get ole WC out from behind home plate and watch that offense explode……they say
Once healthy and not burdened by catching 90games a year you will see a top of league bat…..they say

WC is 33 yr old with an extensive hitting history, please the next time around do some research before embarrassing yourself!!
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Contreras had a .784 OPS in the month of May following a .986 OPS over his final 12 games of April.

Over his last 37 games/156 PA he has a .296 avg, .844 OPS, and 24 RBI.

By the end of the season he will have the numbers he typical puts up OPS wise and his RBI is already on a pace for about 85-90 RBI. At the end of the first 2 months or so he had 30 RBI, that would be a pace for 90 RBI and that was even with a slow start. I wouldn’t be surprised if he finishes in the 90-100 RBI range and 25 HRs.

You’re right, stop embarrassing yourself.
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Futuregm2 wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:37 pm Contreras had a .784 OPS in the month of May following a .986 OPS over his final 12 games of April.

Over his last 37 games/156 PA he has a .296 avg, .844 OPS, and 24 RBI.

By the end of the season he will have the numbers he typical puts up OPS wise and his RBI is already on a pace for about 85-90 RBI. At the end of the first 2 months or so he had 30 RBI, that would be a pace for 90 RBI and that was even with a slow start. I wouldn’t be surprised if he finishes in the 90-100 RBI range and 25 HRs.

You’re right, stop embarrassing yourself.
^this

WC is the least of our concerns. He is playing 1B at a high level and is as consistent of a hitter we have.
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Futuregm2 wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:37 pm Contreras had a .784 OPS in the month of May following a .986 OPS over his final 12 games of April.

Over his last 37 games/156 PA he has a .296 avg, .844 OPS, and 24 RBI.

By the end of the season he will have the numbers he typical puts up OPS wise and his RBI is already on a pace for about 85-90 RBI. At the end of the first 2 months or so he had 30 RBI, that would be a pace for 90 RBI and that was even with a slow start. I wouldn’t be surprised if he finishes in the 90-100 RBI range and 25 HRs.

You’re right, stop embarrassing yourself.
The fact is, we’re 1/3 through the season and his numbers are for all to see. If you see the remainder of the season production like what you cherry picked…..lets all hope so
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Goldfan wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:42 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:37 pm Contreras had a .784 OPS in the month of May following a .986 OPS over his final 12 games of April.

Over his last 37 games/156 PA he has a .296 avg, .844 OPS, and 24 RBI.

By the end of the season he will have the numbers he typical puts up OPS wise and his RBI is already on a pace for about 85-90 RBI. At the end of the first 2 months or so he had 30 RBI, that would be a pace for 90 RBI and that was even with a slow start. I wouldn’t be surprised if he finishes in the 90-100 RBI range and 25 HRs.

You’re right, stop embarrassing yourself.
The fact is, we’re 1/3 through the season and his numbers are for all to see. If you see the remainder of the season production like what you cherry picked…..lets all hope so
So what is the issue with a pace for 90 RBI? That would be more RBI than our 3/4 hitters last year. And our current 3 hole hitter has 14 RBI over his last 45 games (193 PAs).
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Futuregm2 wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:48 pm
Goldfan wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:42 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:37 pm Contreras had a .784 OPS in the month of May following a .986 OPS over his final 12 games of April.

Over his last 37 games/156 PA he has a .296 avg, .844 OPS, and 24 RBI.

By the end of the season he will have the numbers he typical puts up OPS wise and his RBI is already on a pace for about 85-90 RBI. At the end of the first 2 months or so he had 30 RBI, that would be a pace for 90 RBI and that was even with a slow start. I wouldn’t be surprised if he finishes in the 90-100 RBI range and 25 HRs.

You’re right, stop embarrassing yourself.
The fact is, we’re 1/3 through the season and his numbers are for all to see. If you see the remainder of the season production like what you cherry picked…..lets all hope so
So what is the issue with a pace for 90 RBI? That would be more RBI than our 3/4 hitters last year. And our current 3 hole hitter has 14 RBI over his last 45 games (193 PAs).
I have no problem with the RBI’s….if he continues the pace…his high is 75. As you can see his overall doesn’t look appreciably better than his career avg. with the whole point being that many posters thought he’d be elite not catching. He ain’t elite.
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Goldfan wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:51 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:48 pm
Goldfan wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:42 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:37 pm Contreras had a .784 OPS in the month of May following a .986 OPS over his final 12 games of April.

Over his last 37 games/156 PA he has a .296 avg, .844 OPS, and 24 RBI.

By the end of the season he will have the numbers he typical puts up OPS wise and his RBI is already on a pace for about 85-90 RBI. At the end of the first 2 months or so he had 30 RBI, that would be a pace for 90 RBI and that was even with a slow start. I wouldn’t be surprised if he finishes in the 90-100 RBI range and 25 HRs.

You’re right, stop embarrassing yourself.
The fact is, we’re 1/3 through the season and his numbers are for all to see. If you see the remainder of the season production like what you cherry picked…..lets all hope so
So what is the issue with a pace for 90 RBI? That would be more RBI than our 3/4 hitters last year. And our current 3 hole hitter has 14 RBI over his last 45 games (193 PAs).
I have no problem with the RBI’s….if he continues the pace…his high is 75. As you can see his overall doesn’t look appreciably better than his career avg. with the whole point being that many posters thought he’d be elite not catching. He ain’t elite.
He got off to a very slow start, since April 18th he has the 2nd best OPS among 1B in the NL behind Freddie Freeman. Given that is more like the hitter he has been, I’m willing to bet that he’ll look much stronger when 2025 is all said and done. And because he should continue to stay healthier his counting numbers will likely be career bests.
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Futuregm2 wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:55 pm
Goldfan wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:51 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:48 pm
Goldfan wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:42 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:37 pm Contreras had a .784 OPS in the month of May following a .986 OPS over his final 12 games of April.

Over his last 37 games/156 PA he has a .296 avg, .844 OPS, and 24 RBI.

By the end of the season he will have the numbers he typical puts up OPS wise and his RBI is already on a pace for about 85-90 RBI. At the end of the first 2 months or so he had 30 RBI, that would be a pace for 90 RBI and that was even with a slow start. I wouldn’t be surprised if he finishes in the 90-100 RBI range and 25 HRs.

You’re right, stop embarrassing yourself.
The fact is, we’re 1/3 through the season and his numbers are for all to see. If you see the remainder of the season production like what you cherry picked…..lets all hope so
So what is the issue with a pace for 90 RBI? That would be more RBI than our 3/4 hitters last year. And our current 3 hole hitter has 14 RBI over his last 45 games (193 PAs).
I have no problem with the RBI’s….if he continues the pace…his high is 75. As you can see his overall doesn’t look appreciably better than his career avg. with the whole point being that many posters thought he’d be elite not catching. He ain’t elite.
He got off to a very slow start, since April 18th he has the 2nd best OPS among 1B in the NL behind Freddie Freeman. Given that is more like the hitter he has been, I’m willing to bet that he’ll look much stronger when 2025 is all said and done. And because he should continue to stay healthier his counting numbers will likely be career bests.
And if the Cards continue the offensive run like were on in MAY the club should be well ahead in the NLC, but do you see this sustaining?
If we’re doing sample sizes, his last 5games he was 4for20 with 1 double and 0HR so….
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Goldfan wrote: 03 Jun 2025 14:00 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:55 pm
Goldfan wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:51 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:48 pm
Goldfan wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:42 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:37 pm Contreras had a .784 OPS in the month of May following a .986 OPS over his final 12 games of April.

Over his last 37 games/156 PA he has a .296 avg, .844 OPS, and 24 RBI.

By the end of the season he will have the numbers he typical puts up OPS wise and his RBI is already on a pace for about 85-90 RBI. At the end of the first 2 months or so he had 30 RBI, that would be a pace for 90 RBI and that was even with a slow start. I wouldn’t be surprised if he finishes in the 90-100 RBI range and 25 HRs.

You’re right, stop embarrassing yourself.
The fact is, we’re 1/3 through the season and his numbers are for all to see. If you see the remainder of the season production like what you cherry picked…..lets all hope so
So what is the issue with a pace for 90 RBI? That would be more RBI than our 3/4 hitters last year. And our current 3 hole hitter has 14 RBI over his last 45 games (193 PAs).
I have no problem with the RBI’s….if he continues the pace…his high is 75. As you can see his overall doesn’t look appreciably better than his career avg. with the whole point being that many posters thought he’d be elite not catching. He ain’t elite.
He got off to a very slow start, since April 18th he has the 2nd best OPS among 1B in the NL behind Freddie Freeman. Given that is more like the hitter he has been, I’m willing to bet that he’ll look much stronger when 2025 is all said and done. And because he should continue to stay healthier his counting numbers will likely be career bests.
And if the Cards continue the offensive run like were on in MAY the club should be well ahead in the NLC, but do you see this sustaining?
If we’re doing sample sizes, his last 5games he was 4for20 with 1 double and 0HR so….
April: 4.71 R/Game
May: 4.66 R/Game

I think they have a pretty deep lineup where almost any night any of the players could provide the spark needed. They need more HR power, but their doubles have made up for it this year (4th in the MLB) at least somewhat. Their average (4th) has been good, OBP good (7th in MLB), and RISP has not been the issue that it was last year. Hopefully Walker is not out too long and comes back the way that he was looking when he got hurt. That was really the only weak spot in the lineup offensively other than catcher.

I really wish they had another middle of the order bat to push Donovan into the 2 hole or 6 hole.
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Goldfan wrote: 03 Jun 2025 14:00 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:55 pm
Goldfan wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:51 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:48 pm
Goldfan wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:42 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:37 pm Contreras had a .784 OPS in the month of May following a .986 OPS over his final 12 games of April.

Over his last 37 games/156 PA he has a .296 avg, .844 OPS, and 24 RBI.

By the end of the season he will have the numbers he typical puts up OPS wise and his RBI is already on a pace for about 85-90 RBI. At the end of the first 2 months or so he had 30 RBI, that would be a pace for 90 RBI and that was even with a slow start. I wouldn’t be surprised if he finishes in the 90-100 RBI range and 25 HRs.

You’re right, stop embarrassing yourself.
The fact is, we’re 1/3 through the season and his numbers are for all to see. If you see the remainder of the season production like what you cherry picked…..lets all hope so
So what is the issue with a pace for 90 RBI? That would be more RBI than our 3/4 hitters last year. And our current 3 hole hitter has 14 RBI over his last 45 games (193 PAs).
I have no problem with the RBI’s….if he continues the pace…his high is 75. As you can see his overall doesn’t look appreciably better than his career avg. with the whole point being that many posters thought he’d be elite not catching. He ain’t elite.
He got off to a very slow start, since April 18th he has the 2nd best OPS among 1B in the NL behind Freddie Freeman. Given that is more like the hitter he has been, I’m willing to bet that he’ll look much stronger when 2025 is all said and done. And because he should continue to stay healthier his counting numbers will likely be career bests.
And if the Cards continue the offensive run like were on in MAY the club should be well ahead in the NLC, but do you see this sustaining?
If we’re doing sample sizes, his last 5games he was 4for20 with 1 double and 0HR so….
Oh no! 4 for 20!

Different things happen in different months. Noot had a .665 OPS in May. Maybe it's .850 in June...

Also, the May pitching was outstanding.
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ecleme22 wrote: 03 Jun 2025 14:05 pm
Goldfan wrote: 03 Jun 2025 14:00 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:55 pm
Goldfan wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:51 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:48 pm
Goldfan wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:42 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:37 pm Contreras had a .784 OPS in the month of May following a .986 OPS over his final 12 games of April.

Over his last 37 games/156 PA he has a .296 avg, .844 OPS, and 24 RBI.

By the end of the season he will have the numbers he typical puts up OPS wise and his RBI is already on a pace for about 85-90 RBI. At the end of the first 2 months or so he had 30 RBI, that would be a pace for 90 RBI and that was even with a slow start. I wouldn’t be surprised if he finishes in the 90-100 RBI range and 25 HRs.

You’re right, stop embarrassing yourself.
The fact is, we’re 1/3 through the season and his numbers are for all to see. If you see the remainder of the season production like what you cherry picked…..lets all hope so
So what is the issue with a pace for 90 RBI? That would be more RBI than our 3/4 hitters last year. And our current 3 hole hitter has 14 RBI over his last 45 games (193 PAs).
I have no problem with the RBI’s….if he continues the pace…his high is 75. As you can see his overall doesn’t look appreciably better than his career avg. with the whole point being that many posters thought he’d be elite not catching. He ain’t elite.
He got off to a very slow start, since April 18th he has the 2nd best OPS among 1B in the NL behind Freddie Freeman. Given that is more like the hitter he has been, I’m willing to bet that he’ll look much stronger when 2025 is all said and done. And because he should continue to stay healthier his counting numbers will likely be career bests.
And if the Cards continue the offensive run like were on in MAY the club should be well ahead in the NLC, but do you see this sustaining?
If we’re doing sample sizes, his last 5games he was 4for20 with 1 double and 0HR so….
Oh no! 4 for 20!

Different things happen in different months. Noot had a .665 OPS in May. Maybe it's .850 in June...

Also, the May pitching was outstanding.
Yeah and WC can have himself another April…..which is why I don’t see some outsized season from his norm
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Goldfan wrote: 03 Jun 2025 14:14 pm
ecleme22 wrote: 03 Jun 2025 14:05 pm
Goldfan wrote: 03 Jun 2025 14:00 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:55 pm
Goldfan wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:51 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:48 pm
Goldfan wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:42 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:37 pm Contreras had a .784 OPS in the month of May following a .986 OPS over his final 12 games of April.

Over his last 37 games/156 PA he has a .296 avg, .844 OPS, and 24 RBI.

By the end of the season he will have the numbers he typical puts up OPS wise and his RBI is already on a pace for about 85-90 RBI. At the end of the first 2 months or so he had 30 RBI, that would be a pace for 90 RBI and that was even with a slow start. I wouldn’t be surprised if he finishes in the 90-100 RBI range and 25 HRs.

You’re right, stop embarrassing yourself.
The fact is, we’re 1/3 through the season and his numbers are for all to see. If you see the remainder of the season production like what you cherry picked…..lets all hope so
So what is the issue with a pace for 90 RBI? That would be more RBI than our 3/4 hitters last year. And our current 3 hole hitter has 14 RBI over his last 45 games (193 PAs).
I have no problem with the RBI’s….if he continues the pace…his high is 75. As you can see his overall doesn’t look appreciably better than his career avg. with the whole point being that many posters thought he’d be elite not catching. He ain’t elite.
He got off to a very slow start, since April 18th he has the 2nd best OPS among 1B in the NL behind Freddie Freeman. Given that is more like the hitter he has been, I’m willing to bet that he’ll look much stronger when 2025 is all said and done. And because he should continue to stay healthier his counting numbers will likely be career bests.
And if the Cards continue the offensive run like were on in MAY the club should be well ahead in the NLC, but do you see this sustaining?
If we’re doing sample sizes, his last 5games he was 4for20 with 1 double and 0HR so….
Oh no! 4 for 20!

Different things happen in different months. Noot had a .665 OPS in May. Maybe it's .850 in June...

Also, the May pitching was outstanding.
Yeah and WC can have himself another April…..which is why I don’t see some outsized season from his norm
In 2023 he had a .654 OPS at the end of May. He finished with an OPS of .826. He’s already started his comeback with a great finish to April and a solid May. He’s been a consistently well above average hitter OPS wise. The biggest difference moving off of catcher to 1B was going to do was help his durability and keep him in the lineup which it seems to at least be helping.
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I think it's only fair to acknowledge WillyC was learning a new position, one he was taking over for an extremely popular future Hall of Famer and former MVP.

That can play on a player, even a vet like Willy.

As FGM pointed out, he's been on a tear for a while!

From Bernie:

BONUS NOTE ON CONTRERAS:

After a cold start, here’s what he’s done in the past 44 games: .280 average, .360 OBP, .440 slug, .800 OPS, eight doubles, six homers.

Since April 9, Contreras leads the Cardinals in RBIs, is tied for first in homers, and ranks second among his teammates in onbase percentage, slugging, and OPS.

And over the same period of time Contreras has a .333 average and .921 OPS with runners in scoring position.

One of his best qualities as a batter is the way Contreras hits to all fields.

This season Contreras has 17 hits and a .298 average when he pulls pitches, 17 hits and a .293 average when hitting straightaway to center, and 16 hits and a .444 average when going to the opposite field. That’s an awesome profile.
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Goldfan wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:33 pm AVG
.242
Tied-113th
HR
6
Tied-113th
RBI
31
Tied-54th
OPS
.699

Get ole WC out from behind home plate and watch that offense explode……they say
Once healthy and not burdened by catching 90games a year you will see a top of league bat…..they say

WC is 33 yr old with an extensive hitting history, please the next time around do some research before embarrassing yourself!!
.3 bWAR 1/3 of the way through the seasons with an OPS a tick under 700.

Not gud
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Goldfan wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:51 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:48 pm
Goldfan wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:42 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:37 pm Contreras had a .784 OPS in the month of May following a .986 OPS over his final 12 games of April.

Over his last 37 games/156 PA he has a .296 avg, .844 OPS, and 24 RBI.

By the end of the season he will have the numbers he typical puts up OPS wise and his RBI is already on a pace for about 85-90 RBI. At the end of the first 2 months or so he had 30 RBI, that would be a pace for 90 RBI and that was even with a slow start. I wouldn’t be surprised if he finishes in the 90-100 RBI range and 25 HRs.

You’re right, stop embarrassing yourself.
The fact is, we’re 1/3 through the season and his numbers are for all to see. If you see the remainder of the season production like what you cherry picked…..lets all hope so
So what is the issue with a pace for 90 RBI? That would be more RBI than our 3/4 hitters last year. And our current 3 hole hitter has 14 RBI over his last 45 games (193 PAs).
I have no problem with the RBI’s….if he continues the pace…his high is 75. As you can see his overall doesn’t look appreciably better than his career avg. with the whole point being that many posters thought he’d be elite not catching. He ain’t elite.
It will be interesting to see if Contreras can match last season's top RBI producer.
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Shady wrote: 03 Jun 2025 14:42 pm
Goldfan wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:51 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:48 pm
Goldfan wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:42 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: 03 Jun 2025 13:37 pm Contreras had a .784 OPS in the month of May following a .986 OPS over his final 12 games of April.

Over his last 37 games/156 PA he has a .296 avg, .844 OPS, and 24 RBI.

By the end of the season he will have the numbers he typical puts up OPS wise and his RBI is already on a pace for about 85-90 RBI. At the end of the first 2 months or so he had 30 RBI, that would be a pace for 90 RBI and that was even with a slow start. I wouldn’t be surprised if he finishes in the 90-100 RBI range and 25 HRs.

You’re right, stop embarrassing yourself.
The fact is, we’re 1/3 through the season and his numbers are for all to see. If you see the remainder of the season production like what you cherry picked…..lets all hope so
So what is the issue with a pace for 90 RBI? That would be more RBI than our 3/4 hitters last year. And our current 3 hole hitter has 14 RBI over his last 45 games (193 PAs).
I have no problem with the RBI’s….if he continues the pace…his high is 75. As you can see his overall doesn’t look appreciably better than his career avg. with the whole point being that many posters thought he’d be elite not catching. He ain’t elite.
It will be interesting to see if Contreras can match last season's top RBI producer.
Hopefully, 78 RBI for a “top RBI producer” is atrocious.
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