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Agree.ClassicO wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 17:52 pmIt wasn’t Rocket Science.Melville wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 17:48 pmCardinals saw it the same way I did.Melville wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 16:40 pmBut we are talking the 5 pick.craviduce wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 16:27 pmfor top end? It's not a very good year. For 20-60 in the draft, it's a very good year .Melville wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 16:23 pmEverything I have read and heard indicates at the college level this is a very good year for pitching prospects and a below average year for hittersrenostl wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 14:55 pmIt be difficult to be too disappointed at least this year.craviduce wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 14:38 pm Try this again.... NEW POLL
https://poll-maker.com/poll5534415x0FCAC17b-164 If Anderson, Doyle, Hernandez, and Holliday are gone, who do you want at #5?
Rationale to each choice.
Pitcher vs hitter. IF the pitchers left are seen as a #3 or less
I'd go hitter, Irish, Willits, or Parker.
I've yet to vote
Because the college hitter crop is viewed as thin, the high school position players are getting more hype than they should.
If STL has the opportunity to select one of the top 3 college pitchers, rather than a college bat or HS lottery guess, that is the smartest play.
No guarantees in any draft, but strategically that is the soundest decision
Anderson, Doyle, and Arnold wouldn't go in the top 15 last year....probably not Top 25 for 2 of them. SMith and Burns were very good, and Clinjeje and Yesavage were very good.....those 4 beat all 3 of the top LHP this year.
Not 30 or 40.
If one of the top 3 starting pitchers (college) is on the board, that is the best option for where the organization is at right now.
They need to restock the rotation and waiting 5 or 6 years for a HS kid - position or pitcher- with huge risks, simply makes no sense.
As you say, the team can look later in the draft for a college bat - that opportunity will be there.
There is no logical basis for skipping over a top 3 college starter
That said, I know we agree that all first round picks are pure projection and none are guaranteed.
As I recall, some high school 3B named Walker was considered the best power hitting draft prospect in the entire draft a few years back ...
I'll trust random Cards Talk posters saying that this guy is a bust over all those accolades, thank you very much.ramfandan wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 17:56 pm Doyle was the SEC pitcher of the year.
He led the nation with 158 strikeouts in just 92 innings . (if you are tired of STL pitchers who 'pitch to contact' you have your srikeout pitcher in this kid .
Liam Doyle had a 2.84 ERA and held batters to a .172 batting average
Finally a pitcher that can blow the batters away .
Exactly the point I have been making.ramfandan wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 17:56 pm Doyle was the SEC pitcher of the year.
He led the nation with 158 strikeouts in just 92 innings . (if you are tired of STL pitchers who 'pitch to contact' you have your srikeout pitcher in this kid .
Liam Doyle had a 2.84 ERA and held batters to a .172 batting average
Finally a pitcher that can blow the batters away .
No chance STL was going to skip him or Arnold if available at #5.OohMau wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 17:53 pm Doyle was the eighth-ranked prospect in the draft according to Baseball America, but boasts a 70-grade fastball that sits in the 95-97MPH range and gets to 100 MPH with excellent ride. He has a 50-grade slider, 55-grade changeup, and 50-grade cutter with developing control. His 42.6% strikeout rate was the best mark in all of Division 1 baseball this year.
Which is what the team needed above all else.Voldemort wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 18:01 pm I like the Doyle pick. Some of you are acting like you followed Doyle this entire year and know all about him. Bleacher Report and many others had Doyle going 2nd in the draft. Also, the point of the minor leagues is for a pitcher like him to develop any weaknesses so that the pitcher/player is ready for MLB. Doyle has pitched in the SEC. He has done exceedingly well doing so. I hope that he is ready in two years to make the big club.
Nice.
Sounds outstanding. I hate the U. Of Tennessee with a passion. If they never win another game in any sport, I’d die a happy man. But I’m glad we got Doyle. He’s no longer a Volunteer, he’s a Cardinal.OohMau wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 17:53 pm Doyle was the eighth-ranked prospect in the draft according to Baseball America, but boasts a 70-grade fastball that sits in the 95-97MPH range and gets to 100 MPH with excellent ride. He has a 50-grade slider, 55-grade changeup, and 50-grade cutter with developing control. His 42.6% strikeout rate was the best mark in all of Division 1 baseball this year.
I hope the cardinals are aggressive with him and start him in AA. Could be in the bigs next year.Voldemort wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 18:01 pm I like the Doyle pick. Some of you are acting like you followed Doyle this entire year and know all about him. Bleacher Report and many others had Doyle going 2nd in the draft. Also, the point of the minor leagues is for a pitcher like him to develop any weaknesses so that the pitcher/player is ready for MLB. Doyle has pitched in the SEC. He has done exceedingly well doing so. I hope that he is ready in two years to make the big club.
Here is a quote from an article on Baseball America:
"The top-end college arms are more impressive than their hitting peers. LSU lefthander Kade Anderson overtook a strong group of college arms by consistently putting together high-quality starts throughout the season. Behind him, it’s hard to separate a top-tier pitching group that also includes Florida State lefthander Jamie Arnold, Oklahoma righthander Kyson Witherspoon and Tennessee lefthander Liam Doyle."
https://www.baseballamerica.com/ranking ... prospects/