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TheFantasyStud wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 10:47 am 1) Another Top of the Rotation Starter
2) Pages, A light hitting catcher
3) Burleson, Should have been replaced with a real Middle of the Order Bat

"Burleson, Should have been replaced with a real Middle of the Order Bat". Whom would you have replaced Burleson with?

The Nard wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 11:22 am

Youboughtit wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 10:09 am

Shady wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 10:05 am 1) Inconsistent starting pitching staff (all of them except McGreevy)
2) Arenado (lack of offensive contribution at his salary)
3) Gorman and Walker ( haven't developed like was hoped for)

1. Cutting Budget by $50m
2. No anchor in the MOTO
3. Overvalued youth.

But this was the season where the “youth” would be allowed to play, sink or swim. Surely you didn’t expect them to be playoff-competitive. I actually find it remarkable that they’re around a .500 team

I see way more sink than swim. Name 3 legit young building blocks locked into a future spot. Wetherholt doesn’t count. So now that we know that what is plan B for rebuild? I would look to trade anyone but Wetherholt and Sole for those key lineup anchors then see what’s left. Start with the MOTO bats and TOR SP. Don’t build around B-C grade players.

Shady wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 11:25 am

TheFantasyStud wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 10:47 am 1) Another Top of the Rotation Starter
2) Pages, A light hitting catcher
3) Burleson, Should have been replaced with a real Middle of the Order Bat

"Burleson, Should have been replaced with a real Middle of the Order Bat". Whom would you have replaced Burleson with?

Jo

I believe we’ve learned nothing this season. We already knew most of these players were not good. Winn, Scott (defense on an offensive oriented team) and Burley as a non-starter. That’s the beginning and end of the ”kids”. We found out Gormy sucks? Only if we hadn’t been paying attention in years past. Herrera is a what? One of 4 catchers. Who puts a roster together like that? Stupids.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 10:34 am 1-BDWJr
2-Mo
3-Oli

Beat me to it, Rock. Call me crazy, but a real dugout leader in the manager's chair has this team in a wild card position.

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 13:15 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 10:34 am 1-BDWJr
2-Mo
3-Oli

Beat me to it, Rock. Call me crazy, but a real dugout leader in the manager's chair has this team in a wild card position.

Disagree. I don’t like Oli, but he has a bunch of clowns to work with, especially his starting pitching. I think he’s overachieved. I also think this may be the one time in his baseball life where Oli is better than the players he was given. These guys are not decent.

Shady wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 10:05 am 1) Inconsistent starting pitching staff (all of them except McGreevy)
2) Arenado (lack of offensive production at his salary)
3) Gorman and Walker ( haven't developed like was hoped for)

Mo
Dewitt
Roster and coaching

Rojo Johnson wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 12:47 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 11:25 am

TheFantasyStud wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 10:47 am 1) Another Top of the Rotation Starter
2) Pages, A light hitting catcher
3) Burleson, Should have been replaced with a real Middle of the Order Bat

"Burleson, Should have been replaced with a real Middle of the Order Bat". Whom would you have replaced Burleson with?

Jo

Is that short for Jordan? As in Jordan Walker. If so, too many whiffs and not enough power.

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 10:37 am

Shady wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 10:05 am 1) Inconsistent starting pitching staff (all of them except McGreevy)
2) Arenado (lack of offensive production at his salary)
3) Gorman and Walker ( haven't developed like was hoped for)

So the starter that has given up 4 runs or more in 4 of his 8 starts is the only consistent one?

Absolut wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 13:34 pm

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 10:37 am

Shady wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 10:05 am 1) Inconsistent starting pitching staff (all of them except McGreevy)
2) Arenado (lack of offensive production at his salary)
3) Gorman and Walker ( haven't developed like was hoped for)

So the starter that has given up 4 runs or more in 4 of his 8 starts is the only consistent one?

Who's been more consistent than McGreevy?

Shady wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 11:25 am

TheFantasyStud wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 10:47 am 1) Another Top of the Rotation Starter
2) Pages, A light hitting catcher
3) Burleson, Should have been replaced with a real Middle of the Order Bat

"Burleson, Should have been replaced with a real Middle of the Order Bat". Whom would you have replaced Burleson with?

It would be, impossible to, replace Alex Burleson. With, his, "bat to ball" skills, No one, I repeat no one, puts Burly in a corner.

Shady wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 11:25 am

TheFantasyStud wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 10:47 am 1) Another Top of the Rotation Starter
2) Pages, A light hitting catcher
3) Burleson, Should have been replaced with a real Middle of the Order Bat

"Burleson, Should have been replaced with a real Middle of the Order Bat". Whom would you have replaced Burleson with?

Someone not currently on the roster --- any team with him as a middle of the order bat is not a winning team. You keep pushing for him to play more and that just emphasizes the weakness of this roster as you are correct, he is one of the best options they have. Gorman and Walker should be parked in the lineup for the remainder of the season and that is not based on merit it is based on the potential the organization believes they possess and the need to gain as much more information as they can in a lost season while there is still a little bit of time.

Mort Gage wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 13:41 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 11:25 am

TheFantasyStud wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 10:47 am 1) Another Top of the Rotation Starter
2) Pages, A light hitting catcher
3) Burleson, Should have been replaced with a real Middle of the Order Bat

"Burleson, Should have been replaced with a real Middle of the Order Bat". Whom would you have replaced Burleson with?

It would be, impossible to, replace Alex Burleson. With, his, "bat to ball" skills, No one, I repeat no one, puts Burly in a corner.

You can't actually name anyone can you?

Shady wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 13:45 pm

Mort Gage wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 13:41 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 11:25 am

TheFantasyStud wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 10:47 am 1) Another Top of the Rotation Starter
2) Pages, A light hitting catcher
3) Burleson, Should have been replaced with a real Middle of the Order Bat

"Burleson, Should have been replaced with a real Middle of the Order Bat". Whom would you have replaced Burleson with?

It would be, impossible to, replace Alex Burleson. With, his, "bat to ball" skills, No one, I repeat no one, puts Burly in a corner.

You can't actually name anyone can you?

Neato. Your portly lust object is the best option on a terrible offense. Congrats. This is a multi-year rebuild where Bloom will need to draft better and trade mediocrities like St. Alec for players with upside. If they are in A, AA, so be it.

Youboughtit wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 12:38 pm

The Nard wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 11:22 am

Youboughtit wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 10:09 am

Shady wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 10:05 am 1) Inconsistent starting pitching staff (all of them except McGreevy)
2) Arenado (lack of offensive contribution at his salary)
3) Gorman and Walker ( haven't developed like was hoped for)

1. Cutting Budget by $50m
2. No anchor in the MOTO
3. Overvalued youth.

But this was the season where the “youth” would be allowed to play, sink or swim. Surely you didn’t expect them to be playoff-competitive. I actually find it remarkable that they’re around a .500 team

I see way more sink than swim. Name 3 legit young building blocks locked into a future spot. Wetherholt doesn’t count. So now that we know that what is plan B for rebuild? I would look to trade anyone but Wetherholt and Sole for those key lineup anchors then see what’s left. Start with the MOTO bats and TOR SP. Don’t build around B-C grade players.

That is the real question, hopefully Bloom provides some clarity moving forward. I really look for many of these guys to be moved this off season. If they do better somewhere else, so be it. They weren't/aren't going to make a huge leap here it appears.

Mort Gage wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 13:50 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 13:45 pm

Mort Gage wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 13:41 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 11:25 am

TheFantasyStud wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 10:47 am 1) Another Top of the Rotation Starter
2) Pages, A light hitting catcher
3) Burleson, Should have been replaced with a real Middle of the Order Bat

"Burleson, Should have been replaced with a real Middle of the Order Bat". Whom would you have replaced Burleson with?

It would be, impossible to, replace Alex Burleson. With, his, "bat to ball" skills, No one, I repeat no one, puts Burly in a corner.

You can't actually name anyone can you?

Neato. Your portly lust object is the best option on a terrible offense. Congrats. This is a multi-year rebuild where Bloom will need to draft better and trade mediocrities like St. Alec for players with upside. If they are in A, AA, so be it.

So, if you feel there should be an upgrade from Burleson. What about Walker and Gorman? You are probably hanging onto their upside. Well, I feel Burleson is much more of a sure thing than those two. Both now and for the future.