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Bully4you wrote: ↑21 Jul 2025 14:00 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑21 Jul 2025 13:59 pm

Bully4you wrote: ↑21 Jul 2025 13:50 pm Won the MVP
Had a lot of nice seasons.
But in all honesty, it wasn't quite good enough was it.
Maybe if they had won a WS.
Then I could see it.

More than some that are on there now

I can't think of all that are there undeservingly.
Whom are they?

Vince Coleman is a start. Horrible hitter and fielder that had a 12.2 bWAR as a Cardinals player. That set the bar VERY low!

Catfish4U wrote: ↑21 Jul 2025 14:51 pm

Bully4you wrote: ↑21 Jul 2025 14:00 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑21 Jul 2025 13:59 pm

Bully4you wrote: ↑21 Jul 2025 13:50 pm Won the MVP
Had a lot of nice seasons.
But in all honesty, it wasn't quite good enough was it.
Maybe if they had won a WS.
Then I could see it.

More than some that are on there now

I can't think of all that are there undeservingly.
Whom are they?

Vince Coleman is a start. Horrible hitter and fielder that had a 12.2 bWAR as a Cardinals player. That set the bar VERY low!

Jose Owuendo.

The secreted weapon

Catfish4U wrote: ↑21 Jul 2025 14:51 pm

Bully4you wrote: ↑21 Jul 2025 14:00 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑21 Jul 2025 13:59 pm

Bully4you wrote: ↑21 Jul 2025 13:50 pm Won the MVP
Had a lot of nice seasons.
But in all honesty, it wasn't quite good enough was it.
Maybe if they had won a WS.
Then I could see it.

More than some that are on there now

I can't think of all that are there undeservingly.
Whom are they?

Vince Coleman is a start. Horrible hitter and fielder that had a 12.2 bWAR as a Cardinals player. That set the bar VERY low!

Coleman is the last man to steal 100+ bases, and the only one to do so in three consecutive seasons. WAR doesn’t give SBs much value…. I agree it's a low bar, but I’d rather have him in than Hrabosky or Herr.

of course he does ... are you dense?

Bully4you wrote: ↑21 Jul 2025 13:50 pm Won the MVP
Had a lot of nice seasons.
But in all honesty, it wasn't quite good enough was it.
Maybe if they had won a WS.
Then I could see it.

100% he is a Cardinal HOFer!

He had two miserable years in St. Louis. Choked in playoffs. What makes him HOF caliber? One MVP?

Jatalk wrote: ↑21 Jul 2025 21:49 pm He had two miserable years in St. Louis. Choked in playoffs. What makes him HOF caliber? One MVP?

Most people say Arenado is going to be a HOFer too.
I don't know.
These days, less is more?

As time moves on the numbers of living Red Jacket keeps declining. To preserve the concept , new members must replace the Whitey Herzogs, Lou Brocks etc . that unfortunately pass on . You don't want to get to a point where you have 4 or 5 living Red Jacket guys.

mvp....no doubt

Does he qualify for a franchise hall of fame that doesn't have a shred of information on who is enshrined on its web site? Sure. They probably could use a new name for a sandwich they want to schlock. The Goldy Grilled Cheese or some such honor like that.

Anyone think he doesn’t?

Jatalk wrote: ↑21 Jul 2025 21:49 pm He had two miserable years in St. Louis. Choked in playoffs. What makes him HOF caliber? One MVP?

definitely not good in the playoffs.. but to act like winning an MVP is nothing.. lolz

Goldy was an All Star, Gold Glove winner, and MVP during his tenure in STL. He absolutely should be awarded a Red Jacket.

moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 08:03 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑21 Jul 2025 21:49 pm He had two miserable years in St. Louis. Choked in playoffs. What makes him HOF caliber? One MVP?

definitely not good in the playoffs.. but to act like winning an MVP is nothing.. lolz

It’s not nothing but have all MVPs for one year been in HOF? I’m asking. I doubt it.

Jatalk wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 08:22 am

moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 08:03 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑21 Jul 2025 21:49 pm He had two miserable years in St. Louis. Choked in playoffs. What makes him HOF caliber? One MVP?

definitely not good in the playoffs.. but to act like winning an MVP is nothing.. lolz

It’s not nothing but have all MVPs for one year been in HOF? I’m asking. I doubt it.

THE hof? or a teams hof? there's a difference

and with Goldy, there's a chance for both

moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 08:30 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 08:22 am

moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 08:03 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑21 Jul 2025 21:49 pm He had two miserable years in St. Louis. Choked in playoffs. What makes him HOF caliber? One MVP?

definitely not good in the playoffs.. but to act like winning an MVP is nothing.. lolz

It’s not nothing but have all MVPs for one year been in HOF? I’m asking. I doubt it.

THE hof? or a teams hof? there's a difference

and with Goldy, there's a chance for both

I was referring to both. I realize the St Louis HOF is a more of a popularity contest but putting in baseball HOF? I really question that.