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One aspect. " Contreras has a much higher strikeout rate than Burleson? That's one aspect.CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑24 May 2025 22:01 pm Shady-guy, your hero had a good game today. But there is not one aspect of his game that even matches, much less exceeds WC game. Burleson closer to Salvador Perez running speed than WC.
Shady-Guy, “your boy” is very, very vulnerable to being a below average scrub. Below average OPS+. 4th percentile speed. Horrendous defense. Useless against LHP. Why can’t you admit that?Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑24 May 2025 21:24 pmAn out is an out. Who cares?Shady wrote: ↑24 May 2025 21:17 pmFrenchy, "your boy" is very, very vulnerable to the strike out against really good RHP. More so than Burleson. Why can't you admit that?Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑24 May 2025 21:08 pmThe thing with Marshall is...you can give him all the supporting data which is available and he'll just ignore it. In his eyes Burly is faster and has had a much more productive career than Contreras.Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑24 May 2025 20:45 pmNot sure how you measure astute, but Burley is in the 4th percentile in sprint speed, WC is in the 51st. Willson would kill him in a race.Shady wrote: ↑24 May 2025 20:26 pmAre you you absolutely positive Contreras is faster and more astute than Burleson running the bases? I'm not. Ex. Burly running the bases today. By the way, I feel Burleson is a better clutch hitter late in the game than Contreras against a stud RH closer. Contreras is too vulnerable to the strikeout. JMO Should Burleson have been better off selling insurance today than hitting for the Cardinals like you suggested? LOLMonsieur De Treville wrote: ↑24 May 2025 19:12 pmBurly is a good backup. He'll never be the star you predicted, but he may keep his job as a scrub for a few years until his lack of conditioning leads his body to fail as he enters his 30's.
Here's all that matters....
Contreras career 117 OPS+ & 27.1 fWAR.
Burleson career 97 OPS+ & 0.6 fWAR.
Everything else is just White Noise!
Aaron Judge - career strikeout rate 28%. Who cares? Better than hitting into double plays because of 4th percentile speed. Or popping up loudly.Shady wrote: ↑24 May 2025 22:08 pmOne aspect. " Contreras has a much higher strikeout rate than Burleson? That's one aspect.CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑24 May 2025 22:01 pm Shady-guy, your hero had a good game today. But there is not one aspect of his game that even matches, much less exceeds WC game. Burleson closer to Salvador Perez running speed than WC.
Aaron Judge strikes out more often than Contreras...so using your logic, he's not a great player?
He'll ignore this compelling data. Will never admit he was wrong and then repeat this same nonsense again at a later time. It's what he does!An Old Friend wrote: ↑24 May 2025 22:06 pmBurleson -Shady wrote: ↑24 May 2025 20:26 pmAre you you absolutely positive Contreras is faster and more astute than Burleson running the bases? I'm not. Ex. Burly running the bases today.Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑24 May 2025 19:12 pmBurly is a good backup. He'll never be the star you predicted, but he may keep his job as a scrub for a few years until his lack of conditioning leads his body to fail as he enters his 30's.
run scored percentage: 19%
extra base taken rate: 11%
baserunning value: 24th percentile
Contreras -
run scored percentage: 29%
extra base taken rate: 52%
baserunning value: 41st percentile
Burly has a role on this team, every team needs those role players, he knows his role, and is now producing at that role. No need to try and over analyze it. The good Cardinal teams always had them. Dane Iorg, Mike Ramsey, So Tacuchi, to name just a few off the top of my head. Sit back and enjoy his progress, he's adding value to the team.Shady wrote: ↑24 May 2025 20:26 pmAre you you absolutely positive Contreras is faster and more astute than Burleson running the bases? I'm not. Ex. Burly running the bases today. By the way, I feel Burleson is a better clutch hitter late in the game than Contreras against a stud RH closer. Contreras is too vulnerable to the strikeout. JMO Should Burleson have been better off selling insurance today than hitting for the Cardinals like you suggested? LOLMonsieur De Treville wrote: ↑24 May 2025 19:12 pmBurly is a good backup. He'll never be the star you predicted, but he may keep his job as a scrub for a few years until his lack of conditioning leads his body to fail as he enters his 30's.
Agree. Burly is a spot-starter and pinch hitter and as of late he is excelling in this role.RamFan08NY wrote: ↑25 May 2025 07:15 amBurly has a role on this team, every team needs those role players, he knows his role, and is now producing at that role. No need to try and over analyze it. The good Cardinal teams always had them. Dane Iorg, Mike Ramsey, So Tacuchi, to name just a few off the top of my head. Sit back and enjoy his progress, he's adding value to the team.Shady wrote: ↑24 May 2025 20:26 pmAre you you absolutely positive Contreras is faster and more astute than Burleson running the bases? I'm not. Ex. Burly running the bases today. By the way, I feel Burleson is a better clutch hitter late in the game than Contreras against a stud RH closer. Contreras is too vulnerable to the strikeout. JMO Should Burleson have been better off selling insurance today than hitting for the Cardinals like you suggested? LOLMonsieur De Treville wrote: ↑24 May 2025 19:12 pmBurly is a good backup. He'll never be the star you predicted, but he may keep his job as a scrub for a few years until his lack of conditioning leads his body to fail as he enters his 30's.
Burleson is more than a "spot-starter". He is an integral part of the lineup vs RHP. I like both Contreras and Burleson. However, Contreras is slightly over-rated and Burleson is under-rated by many CT posters. For the record, I wasn't thrilled by Burleson's hitting the latter part of last season and the first part of this season. But, Burleson is quite valuable to the organization considering salary/production. IMOMonsieur De Treville wrote: ↑25 May 2025 07:44 amAgree. Burly is a spot-starter and pinch hitter and as of late he is excelling in this role.RamFan08NY wrote: ↑25 May 2025 07:15 amBurly has a role on this team, every team needs those role players, he knows his role, and is now producing at that role. No need to try and over analyze it. The good Cardinal teams always had them. Dane Iorg, Mike Ramsey, So Tacuchi, to name just a few off the top of my head. Sit back and enjoy his progress, he's adding value to the team.Shady wrote: ↑24 May 2025 20:26 pmAre you you absolutely positive Contreras is faster and more astute than Burleson running the bases? I'm not. Ex. Burly running the bases today. By the way, I feel Burleson is a better clutch hitter late in the game than Contreras against a stud RH closer. Contreras is too vulnerable to the strikeout. JMO Should Burleson have been better off selling insurance today than hitting for the Cardinals like you suggested? LOLMonsieur De Treville wrote: ↑24 May 2025 19:12 pmBurly is a good backup. He'll never be the star you predicted, but he may keep his job as a scrub for a few years until his lack of conditioning leads his body to fail as he enters his 30's.
But it's not good enough for Shady! He'd rather opine that Burly is a faster runner than Brock with more power than Pujols and a better glove than Hernandez!
If he only plays against RH pitchers, wouldn't that be the very definition of a "spot-starter"?Shady wrote: ↑25 May 2025 10:27 amBurleson is more than a "spot-starter". He is an integral part of the lineup vs RHP. I like both Contreras and Burleson. However, Contreras is slightly over-rated and Burleson is under-rated by many CT posters. For the record, I wasn't thrilled by Burleson's hitting the latter part of last season and the first part of this season. But, Burleson is quite valuable to the organization considering salary/production. IMOMonsieur De Treville wrote: ↑25 May 2025 07:44 amAgree. Burly is a spot-starter and pinch hitter and as of late he is excelling in this role.RamFan08NY wrote: ↑25 May 2025 07:15 amBurly has a role on this team, every team needs those role players, he knows his role, and is now producing at that role. No need to try and over analyze it. The good Cardinal teams always had them. Dane Iorg, Mike Ramsey, So Tacuchi, to name just a few off the top of my head. Sit back and enjoy his progress, he's adding value to the team.Shady wrote: ↑24 May 2025 20:26 pmAre you you absolutely positive Contreras is faster and more astute than Burleson running the bases? I'm not. Ex. Burly running the bases today. By the way, I feel Burleson is a better clutch hitter late in the game than Contreras against a stud RH closer. Contreras is too vulnerable to the strikeout. JMO Should Burleson have been better off selling insurance today than hitting for the Cardinals like you suggested? LOLMonsieur De Treville wrote: ↑24 May 2025 19:12 pmBurly is a good backup. He'll never be the star you predicted, but he may keep his job as a scrub for a few years until his lack of conditioning leads his body to fail as he enters his 30's.
But it's not good enough for Shady! He'd rather opine that Burly is a faster runner than Brock with more power than Pujols and a better glove than Hernandez!