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thetank2 wrote: ↑14 May 2025 09:10 am There is an integrity clause. Vote should be anonymous. I don't care but it should say he bet on baseball on the plaque.

If it said he gambled on baseball would the casual fan even care anymore. Everything is gambling.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑14 May 2025 09:00 am In

As a player he's a slam dunk, 1st ballot Hall of Famer and that's what he's going in for not his managing which s u c k e d.

Once the Hall started letting STEROID freaks in, there was no reason to exclude Rose the Player anymore.

412-373 Managerial Record

All 4 full seasons above .500.

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His play speaks for itself.
First Ballot Unanimous HOF.
Only thing keeping him out was MLB.
If they say ok then ok.

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑14 May 2025 09:13 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑14 May 2025 09:00 am In

As a player he's a slam dunk, 1st ballot Hall of Famer and that's what he's going in for not his managing which s u c k e d.

Once the Hall started letting STEROID freaks in, there was no reason to exclude Rose the Player anymore.

412-373 Managerial Record

All 4 full seasons above .500.

In/out

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑14 May 2025 09:17 am

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑14 May 2025 09:13 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑14 May 2025 09:00 am In

As a player he's a slam dunk, 1st ballot Hall of Famer and that's what he's going in for not his managing which s u c k e d.

Once the Hall started letting STEROID freaks in, there was no reason to exclude Rose the Player anymore.

412-373 Managerial Record

All 4 full seasons above .500.

In/out

Twisted SBD

He absolutely belongs in. I just don't want him in now because it isn't about honoring Rose, it is about Manfred garnering attention and media hype over a dead legend. This should have been done years ago when Pete could stand up, speak, and atone for his transgressions during a speech on a stage in Cooperstown.

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Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑14 May 2025 09:24 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑14 May 2025 09:17 am

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑14 May 2025 09:13 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑14 May 2025 09:00 am In

As a player he's a slam dunk, 1st ballot Hall of Famer and that's what he's going in for not his managing which s u c k e d.

Once the Hall started letting STEROID freaks in, there was no reason to exclude Rose the Player anymore.

412-373 Managerial Record

All 4 full seasons above .500.

In/out

Twisted SBD

He absolutely belongs in. I just don't want him in now because it isn't about honoring Rose, it is about Manfred garnering attention and media hype over a dead legend. This should have been done years ago when Pete could stand up, speak, and atone for his transgressions during a speech on a stage in Cooperstown.

Do not be that way. You hold an angst you have no control over- big money. They don’t live like you and me. Different breed of human.

Let him in for sake of the casual fan.

Release.

Or

You could just burn one. Ha.

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑14 May 2025 09:24 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑14 May 2025 09:17 am

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑14 May 2025 09:13 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑14 May 2025 09:00 am In

As a player he's a slam dunk, 1st ballot Hall of Famer and that's what he's going in for not his managing which s u c k e d.

Once the Hall started letting STEROID freaks in, there was no reason to exclude Rose the Player anymore.

412-373 Managerial Record

All 4 full seasons above .500.

In/out

Twisted SBD

He absolutely belongs in. I just don't want him in now because it isn't about honoring Rose, it is about Manfred garnering attention and media hype over a dead legend. This should have been done years ago when Pete could stand up, speak, and atone for his transgressions during a speech on a stage in Cooperstown.

Atonement isn't something that happens in a speech, especially after decades of minimizing your transgressions and playing the victim.

Let's get an expose of gambling owners going too.

3dender wrote: ↑14 May 2025 09:29 am Atonement isn't something that happens in a speech

That is something that we will never know. Plus, there has been plenty of atonement over the years.

3dender wrote: ↑14 May 2025 09:29 am especially after decades of minimizing your transgressions and playing the victim.

I have heard him plenty of times acknowledging his wrongs.

Sanctimony is abound in regards to Pete Rose.

HOF is a museum. I've been there twice. I doubt it changes anyone's life that much. I love those fans who say they are going to disown baseball because Rose isn't in the HOF. Please!!

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑14 May 2025 09:33 am

3dender wrote: ↑14 May 2025 09:29 am Atonement isn't something that happens in a speech

That is something that we will never know. Plus, there has been plenty of atonement over the years.

No, I mean literally... atonement is an act, it's not words in a speech. The definition is "reparation for a wrong or injury." A speech isn't reparation.

Any jerk can get up on a stage and say pretty, sorry-sounding words. It means jack, unless you think people never lie.

So yes, we can and do know that atonement isn't something that happens in a speech.

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑14 May 2025 09:24 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑14 May 2025 09:17 am

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑14 May 2025 09:13 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑14 May 2025 09:00 am In

As a player he's a slam dunk, 1st ballot Hall of Famer and that's what he's going in for not his managing which s u c k e d.

Once the Hall started letting STEROID freaks in, there was no reason to exclude Rose the Player anymore.

412-373 Managerial Record

All 4 full seasons above .500.

In/out

Twisted SBD

He absolutely belongs in. I just don't want him in now because it isn't about honoring Rose, it is about Manfred garnering attention and media hype over a dead legend. This should have been done years ago when Pete could stand up, speak, and atone for his transgressions during a speech on a stage in Cooperstown.

I disagree. I saw the ban as lifetime and his capitulating after 20 years of lies doesn't erase that. He came out to sell his book. Now he's dead, he can be voted in

Didn't deserve to see himself make the HOF

In. As I recall, when he bet on his own team, he only bet on them to win.

Cranny wrote: ↑14 May 2025 09:45 am In. As I recall, when he bet on his own team, he only bet on them to win.

Does it matter?

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑14 May 2025 09:47 am

Cranny wrote: ↑14 May 2025 09:45 am In. As I recall, when he bet on his own team, he only bet on them to win.

Does it matter?

Yes, because he could do things to lose.