GDT : Cardinals @ Blue Jays (8/2) ~ 12:37pm CDT

[cardinalsfever44]

This team sucks

Guys hitting .230 to .240 without much power up and down your lineup is not a conducive to scoring.

It's not the players in the lineup, it's the construction of the lineup. All of them can't hit because of which spot they are batting in the order.

[Lightning Rod]

Time to step up Ivan

I just hope he gets HBP or a BB because he isn't hitting much.

May seem like that given the teamwide slump but in his last 8 games 1 HR/.294 .294 .500 .794.

Her had a few good games in a row recently, but overall his work is disappointing.

[scoutyjones2]

Time to step up Ivan

I just hope he gets HBP or a BB because he isn't hitting much.

May seem like that given the teamwide slump but in his last 8 games 1 HR/.294 .294 .500 .794.

Last 7 : 224/224/321/565

Last 15: 222/234/333/567

Last 30: 208/244/300/544

Trade em

[Lightning Rod]

This team sucks

Guys hitting .230 to .240 without much power up and down your lineup is not a conducive to scoring.

It's not the players in the lineup, it's the construction of the lineup. All of them can't hit because of which spot they are batting in the order.

Nailed it!

[JuanAgosto]

Thx CK

and Thx Oli for giving JJW a day off.

The kid is obviously running down in his rookie season and needs more days off so he can stave off
S. Stewart (23 HR/84 RBI/.810 OPS and yes I have a fear too many voters are going to look at the traditional counting stats over JJW"s superior fWAR) for ROY!

C'mon, Rock. Don't tell me you are another one who blows off the traditional stats?

Nope, why I brought up Stewart's stats that I've been watching now for a long time

But

If you listen to those who do "blow them off", then they'd swear JJW's a "lock" given his superior fWAR that values his all round game (hitting, fielding, baserunning) over Stewarts back of the baseball card stats.

But baring a BIG Aug/Sept from JJ or a complete collapse from Stewart, I think JJW's ROY chances are slipping away.

They probably are. The reason I had asked was because of the debate ive been in on another thread. I do not understand the current philosophies of the game. Claiming rbi's aren't important because they aren't "measurable" makes no sense to me.

I just laugh my a z z off at those morons

I remember a huge cover story in a baseball magazine I bought as a kid:

RBI's = MVP's

I've followed the metrics since B. James first published a little pamphlet (and that's what it was) I sent away for from an ad in my TSN.

But I don't let them override my decades of baseball knowledge, season tickets seeing more games in person than 99% of the people in here and sixteen years of playing experience. I still love the back of the baseball card stats too.

I am glad you bring some sanity to this board, Rock.

[rockondlouie]

Time to step up Ivan

I just hope he gets HBP or a BB because he isn't hitting much.

May seem like that given the teamwide slump but in his last 8 games 1 HR/.294 .294 .500 .794.

Last 7 : 224/224/321/565

Last 15: 222/234/333/567

Last 30: 208/244/300/544

Trade em

NOPE

[hotrivets]

Libby hanging tough today- would be nice to get him the win.

[RunSup]

Nice K and game Libby.

[scoutyjones2]

Libby ... I expected an implosion

Shocked! Good job.

[82birds]

six STRONG for Libby

[rockondlouie]

Libby ... I expected an implosion

Shocked! Good job.

Trade him

[11WSChamps]

Vladimir has gotten old fast.

6 HRS on the season.

Way late on pitches.

Time for a medical checkup.

[cardstatman]

Liberatore ERA down to 4.97

[Lightning Rod]

Time to step up Ivan

I just hope he gets HBP or a BB because he isn't hitting much.

May seem like that given the teamwide slump but in his last 8 games 1 HR/.294 .294 .500 .794.

Last 7 : 224/224/321/565

Last 15: 222/234/333/567

Last 30: 208/244/300/544

Trade em

NOPE

CF or 3B in trade and I'm in. No more left handed hitters please.

[JuanAgosto]

This team sucks

Guys hitting .230 to .240 without much power up and down your lineup is not a conducive to scoring.

It's not the players in the lineup, it's the construction of the lineup. All of them can't hit because of which spot they are batting in the order.

Because lineup construction doesn't matter. Managers have put producers in the 3-5 spots for a century. But what did those guys know?

[cardinalsfever44]

At what point do our starting pitchers revolt against this [shirt]ty offense? We are wasting so many good starts by these guys. Stinks.