First Herrera report I’ve seen

[Futuregm2]

https://x.com/Feinsand/status/2082201239765258272?s=20



Mark Feinsand
@Feinsand
The Cardinals -- who have the top catching prospect in MLB (Rainiel Rodriguez) at Double-A and another of their Top 5 prospects (Leo Bernal) at Triple-A -- could also be open to moving one of their catchers, likely either Pedro Pagés or Iván Herrera, per sources

[cosmo.kramer]

https://x.com/Feinsand/status/2082201239765258272?s=20



Mark Feinsand
@Feinsand
The Cardinals -- who have the top catching prospect in MLB (Rainiel Rodriguez) at Double-A and another of their Top 5 prospects (Leo Bernal) at Triple-A -- could also be open to moving one of their catchers, likely either Pedro Pagés or Iván Herrera, per sources

If someone throws a big offer, sure

But I've thought Pages

[Goldfan]

I saw another on X stating IH is in play. Who knows

[Ronnie Dobbs]

I’m all for trading basically anyone, depending on the return, but I would hope that they would be very cautious trading a guy like Herrera.

To me, out of that group, Pages would be the obvious guy.

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

I dont see any decent club trading for Pages he doesnt move the needle. IH on the other hand does, if they trade a catcher IMO itll be IH and NOT Pages.

[JDW]

So Pages current BTV is +3.3, with Herrera's at +15.8.

[ICCFIM2]

So Pages current BTV is +3.3, with Herrera's at +15.8.

It is. But, if they deal Herrera they need to get a lot higher prospect value back than 15.8. A 15.8 is a 50 grade prospect, which is far from a sure thing.

[cardstatman]

Can the Cardinals afford to further weaken their already poor offense?

Trading Nootbar would be hoping that Baez can become an MLB average hitter quickly.
Trading Herrera would be hoping that Crooks can become an MLB average hitter quickly. So far, he hasn't been able to hit as well as Pages.

.270 .368 .416 .784 1245 Herrera
.272 .325 .432 .757 1987 Burleson
.242 .341 .404 .745 2122 Nootbar
.253 .348 .391 .739 457 Wetherholt
.253 .316 .416 .732 1482 Walker
.244 .319 .403 .721 MLB Average 2026
.254 .319 .400 .719 1924 Urias
.221 .277 .442 .719 84 Torres
.211 .286 .432 .717 693 Velazquez
.215 .297 .407 .704 1810 Gorman
.249 .307 .363 .670 1712 Winn
.236 .315 .335 .651 415 Fermin
.247 .273 .363 .637 278 Pozo
.227 .270 .359 .629 772 Pages
.238 .283 .325 .608 429 Saggese
.217 .265 .340 .605 346 Church
.231 .256 .343 .599 117 Jordan
.203 .281 .285 .566 802 Scott
.164 .233 .303 .536 133 Crooks

[RamFan08NY]

So Pages current BTV is +3.3, with Herrera's at +15.8.

It is. But, if they deal Herrera they need to get a lot higher prospect value back than 15.8. A 15.8 is a 50 grade prospect, which is far from a sure thing.

I think if they trade IH its got to be for an overpay. It seems to me that IH would be part of the 2 year plan, but without a position on this team, maybe they dont serm him ad an intricate piece.

[StlMike1969]

Trading Herrera is the logical move at this point. Haven't we seen enough guys that were supposed to be the next big thing sit and stew for years producing nothing? His numbers do not lie. He is nothing special at this point other than another catcher we have plenty of and a lot of potential. Sell high.

[RunSup]

Another perspective from Ray Mileur
https://x.com/raymileur1/status/2081726 ... 14730?s=46

The Armchair GM - One small Cardinals-Athletics transaction may be worth a second look.

The Cardinals just traded right-hander Scott Blewett to the Athletics for cash considerations after designating him for assignment earlier in the week. On its own, that is a routine roster move. A depth arm changes organizations, the Cardinals clear the spot, and Oakland adds pitching inventory.

But timing matters.

The Athletics also just lost All-Star catcher Shea Langeliers to a torn meniscus, an injury that could cost him the rest of the season and likely removes him from the trade market.

That changes the catching conversation in Oakland.

And it makes me wonder if the Blewett deal was the only conversation going on between these two clubs.

The Cardinals have catching depth. That is not really up for debate.

At the big-league level, they have Iván Herrera, Pedro Pagés and organizational flexibility. In the system, they have Jimmy Crooks, Leo Bernal and Rainiel Rodriguez, who may be the most important catching prospect in the organization.

That does not mean the Cardinals should start handing catchers away.

Quite the opposite.

Catching depth is one of the hardest things to build in baseball, and the Cardinals have spent years trying to get to this point. But when another organization suddenly loses an All-Star catcher and is already talking with you on a smaller deal, it is fair to wonder whether the conversation could expand.

The A’s may need catching help.

The Cardinals need pitching.

That is where an Armchair GM starts connecting dots.

Could Oakland have interest in a catcher from the Cardinals system? Could St. Louis use that depth to pry loose an arm or another controllable piece? Could a minor transaction be the doorway to a larger baseball conversation?

Maybe.

Maybe not.

But this is the time of year when one phone call often leads to another.

The Blewett deal by itself is not a blockbuster.

But with Langeliers hurt, Oakland’s catching situation has changed.

And when a team with catching depth is already talking to a team that suddenly needs catching, it is at least worth watching.

[C-Unit]

So Pages current BTV is +3.3, with Herrera's at +15.8.

It is. But, if they deal Herrera they need to get a lot higher prospect value back than 15.8. A 15.8 is a 50 grade prospect, which is far from a sure thing.

Let's face it, it looks like he is a slightly above average hitter who doesn't really have a position. Is Herrera even a 50 grade player right now.

Maybe this deadline gives an opportunity to cash in on more than 15.8, as it is a sellers market and a couple of teams will be looking for right handed offense. NYY, PHI, Seattle... I'm sure there's more.

I've considered Herrera a good hitter but I've pointed out in the past Jose Martinez an example of how quickly the trade value goes away if a player like this stops hitting.

[Futuregm2]

So Pages current BTV is +3.3, with Herrera's at +15.8.

It is. But, if they deal Herrera they need to get a lot higher prospect value back than 15.8. A 15.8 is a 50 grade prospect, which is far from a sure thing.

Let's face it, it looks like he is a slightly above average hitter who doesn't really have a position. Is Herrera even a 50 grade player right now.

Maybe this deadline gives an opportunity to cash in on more than 15.8, as it is a sellers market and a couple of teams will be looking for right handed offense. NYY, PHI, Seattle... I'm sure there's more.

There's also like at least 6-7 teams looking for catchers right now. Someone might be willing to make him more of a full time catcher. He's not bad outside of the throwing part of catching. And for as bad as Herrera is, Pages has given up more steals (35 to 27) and nearly double the SB attempts (52 to 28) in 7 more starts than Herrera.

[Hoosier59]

Herrera is currently having a down season. I think he has been trying to hit for more power and it has hurt him.
However, he still had been hovering around a .400 OB%, and scored a lot of runs.
Yet several people on here claim he is nothing and so let’s hurry up and trade him. If he was nothing, why would other teams be calling about him.
If many of the Posters on here are truly Cardinals fans, then I’d have to rethink the notion that supposedly says, Cardinals fans are the best in baseball! Then again, I guess all teams have their share of Idiots!