Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑28 Jul 2026 08:22 am
#1- It keeps him stretched out as a starter
#2- It puts him on schedule to make Liberatore's next start
#3- It saves the bullpen for a day
Nothing wrong with any of that. Liberatore is the one who failed in his mission, not Marmol.
I agree on all three, especially on saving the bullpen
For what?
They’re in game 12 of 26 straight games
I realize that. But defend all you want; he needs to go more than one inning with the same reliever at times with the pen. He doesn't have to use every guy in some games.
Bullpen wise, I think Oli is dealt a bad hand.
I mean, it’s easy to say so and show should pitch multiple innings
I just counted 7 relievers on pace for at least 60+ innings.
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑28 Jul 2026 08:22 am
#1- It keeps him stretched out as a starter
#2- It puts him on schedule to make Liberatore's next start
#3- It saves the bullpen for a day
Nothing wrong with any of that. Liberatore is the one who failed in his mission, not Marmol.
I agree on all three, especially on saving the bullpen
For what?
They’re in game 12 of 26 straight games
I realize that. But defend all you want; he needs to go more than one inning with the same reliever at times with the pen. He doesn't have to use every guy in some games.
Bullpen wise, I think Oli is dealt a bad hand.
I mean, it’s easy to say so and show should pitch multiple innings
I just counted 7 relievers on pace for at least 60+ innings.
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑28 Jul 2026 08:22 am
#1- It keeps him stretched out as a starter
#2- It puts him on schedule to make Liberatore's next start
#3- It saves the bullpen for a day
Nothing wrong with any of that. Liberatore is the one who failed in his mission, not Marmol.
I agree on all three, especially on saving the bullpen
For what?
They’re in game 12 of 26 straight games
I realize that. But defend all you want; he needs to go more than one inning with the same reliever at times with the pen. He doesn't have to use every guy in some games.
Bullpen wise, I think Oli is dealt a bad hand.
I mean, it’s easy to say so and show should pitch multiple innings
I just counted 7 relievers on pace for at least 60+ innings.
hmoss859 wrote: ↑27 Jul 2026 23:06 pm
It makes no sense, there is no plan
If Libby makes another start, they have given up
They (front office) aren't giving up. They never had hope or desire for 2026. This slide is exactly what they want.
The team isn't good enough. They can't hit 5-9, and the bullpen isn't any good. There were zero expectations this season. They played better than anyone predicted through the first half. Reality usually sets in at some point over 162. This slide was always likely.
Thats what I was saying. This slide makes it easier for the front office to be sellers next week.
Yes, but to paint it as that’s what they want is implying they’re at odds with the fanbase, like they’re the owner of the Indians in Major League.
hmoss859 wrote: ↑27 Jul 2026 23:06 pm
It makes no sense, there is no plan
If Libby makes another start, they have given up
They (front office) aren't giving up. They never had hope or desire for 2026. This slide is exactly what they want.
The team isn't good enough. They can't hit 5-9, and the bullpen isn't any good. There were zero expectations this season. They played better than anyone predicted through the first half. Reality usually sets in at some point over 162. This slide was always likely.
Thats what I was saying. This slide makes it easier for the front office to be sellers next week.
Yes, but to paint it as that’s what they want is implying they’re at odds with the fanbase, like they’re the owner of the Indians in Major League.
Not at all. Just saying they will face less push back from the fan base now. Most will now support the decision to sell.
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑28 Jul 2026 08:22 am
#1- It keeps him stretched out as a starter
#2- It puts him on schedule to make Liberatore's next start
#3- It saves the bullpen for a day
Nothing wrong with any of that. Liberatore is the one who failed in his mission, not Marmol.
I agree on all three, especially on saving the bullpen
For what?
They’re in game 12 of 26 straight games
I realize that. But defend all you want; he needs to go more than one inning with the same reliever at times with the pen. He doesn't have to use every guy in some games.
Bullpen wise, I think Oli is dealt a bad hand.
I mean, it’s easy to say so and show should pitch multiple innings
I just counted 7 relievers on pace for at least 60+ innings.
hmoss859 wrote: ↑27 Jul 2026 23:41 pm
Dobbins deserved a fresh start, not a 3-0 hole in fourth inning
Once again, they baby Libby
Down only 3 runs early. Libby was getting lit up. Dobbins was their best chance in keeping it close enough for a comeback. Would you rather they concede while down 3 runs in the 3rd inning?
As for Dobbins. What do you mean "he deserves a fresh start"? What has Dobbins done to dictate deserving any special treatment. He was trusted to hold deficit, and eat up some innings. Id call that respectful.
OldRed wrote: ↑28 Jul 2026 11:57 amI just listed them on the previous page.
Bruhl 45 games, 49.1 innings
Gastelum 8 games, 8 innings
Grasceffo 43 games, 51.1 innings
Soriano 47 games, 49.1 innings
Stanek 45 games, 40.1 innings
Svanson 40 games, 42.1 innings
O'Brien 47 games, 41.2 innings
Okay, but how many of those guys went less than an inning because they came into the game, got blown up, and couldn't get three outs? Or they got one or two outs in one inning, came back for the next, then blew up? And how many pitches are these guys throwing each game that they get into? I'm sure Oli would like some relievers that he could trust a bit more, but all of those guys have generally been not all that great to downright bad.
Pura Vida wrote: ↑28 Jul 2026 10:21 am
This is beyond silly now. Libby Libby Libby who pitches once every 5-6 days. It's the OFFENSE! What a completely mediocre lineup! They had plenty of chances to win that game last night. Boring and pathetic to watch!
True, but it always helps to come out of the first half inning without being behind. I agree, the offense has been pathetic. It seems to pretty much go with Walker and he is in a bit of a mini slump. I don't like him batting second rather than 3 or 4, but whatever. Ivan looks like he might break out. Pretty hard to win when it seems like only one guy a game is hitting. You need 3 or 4 guys to have a good game. Nootbar has regressed to, well Nootbar. JJ is in a little slump except for the homer the other day. You can afford one or two guys slumping at the same time, but not most of them!
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I hear what you're saying and yes, major slumps are occuring up and down the lineup. Perhaps opposing ML pitchers have them figured out now. They're not picking each other up and you're not going to win many scoring 3 or fewer runs a game. I'll be happy when the trade deadline expires and I have a feeling so will most players.
Pura Vida wrote: ↑28 Jul 2026 10:21 am
This is beyond silly now. Libby Libby Libby who pitches once every 5-6 days. It's the OFFENSE! What a completely mediocre lineup! They had plenty of chances to win that game last night. Boring and pathetic to watch!
True, but it always helps to come out of the first half inning without being behind. I agree, the offense has been pathetic. It seems to pretty much go with Walker and he is in a bit of a mini slump. I don't like him batting second rather than 3 or 4, but whatever. Ivan looks like he might break out. Pretty hard to win when it seems like only one guy a game is hitting. You need 3 or 4 guys to have a good game. Nootbar has regressed to, well Nootbar. JJ is in a little slump except for the homer the other day. You can afford one or two guys slumping at the same time, but not most of them!
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I hear what you're saying and yes, major slumps are occuring up and down the lineup. Perhaps opposing ML pitchers have them figured out now. They're not picking each other up and you're not going to win many scoring 3 or fewer runs a game. I'll be happy when the trade deadline expires and I have a feeling so will most players.
