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Wetherholt2B
HerreraDH
Walker, JRF
Burleson1B
WinnSS R
FermínCF R
Velázquez, LF R
Jordan3B R
Pagés, PC
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Is Koufax pitching?
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Wondering what's the record for inside-the-park homeruns given up in a season.
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bartleby the scrivener wrote: 26 Jul 2026 10:35 am Wondering what's the record for inside-the-park homeruns given up in a season.
Oli being Oli. I am sure he hopes to grab a lead, then swap Church into CF and V out of the game. I don't understand why Blaze is not hitting in an RBI position instead of Winn..... But I often have problems understanding Oli's lineups...
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bccardsfan wrote: 26 Jul 2026 10:42 am
bartleby the scrivener wrote: 26 Jul 2026 10:35 am Wondering what's the record for inside-the-park homeruns given up in a season.
Oli being Oli. I am sure he hopes to grab a lead, then swap Church into CF and V out of the game. I don't understand why Blaze is not hitting in an RBI position instead of Winn..... But I often have problems understanding Oli's lineups...
Earlier I was supportive of not putting too much pressure on BJ and give him time get his feet wet. But he's shown he isn't overwhelmed by hitting with runners on base. Time to move him to 5 and see if he keeps eating.

His only downside is with the bases empty
.153\.194\.203\.397

Yeeeeech.
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imyourhuckleberry wrote: 26 Jul 2026 10:47 am
bccardsfan wrote: 26 Jul 2026 10:42 am
bartleby the scrivener wrote: 26 Jul 2026 10:35 am Wondering what's the record for inside-the-park homeruns given up in a season.
Oli being Oli. I am sure he hopes to grab a lead, then swap Church into CF and V out of the game. I don't understand why Blaze is not hitting in an RBI position instead of Winn..... But I often have problems understanding Oli's lineups...
Earlier I was supportive of not putting too much pressure on BJ and give him time get his feet wet. But he's shown he isn't overwhelmed by hitting with runners on base. Time to move him to 5 and see if he keeps eating.

His only downside is with the bases empty
.153\.194\.203\.397

Yeeeeech.
It's like he needs a mechanical lure:
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bccardsfan wrote: 26 Jul 2026 10:42 am
bartleby the scrivener wrote: 26 Jul 2026 10:35 am Wondering what's the record for inside-the-park homeruns given up in a season.
Oli being Oli. I am sure he hopes to grab a lead, then swap Church into CF and V out of the game. I don't understand why Blaze is not hitting in an RBI position instead of Winn..... But I often have problems understanding Oli's lineups...
Winn is hitting .294/.364/.388 vs LHP. 2nd best batting average vs LHP on the Cardinals behind Walker and 3rd best OBP vs LHP on the Cardinals behind Walker and Herrera. I can see the logic somewhat, although I'd prefer this:

1. Wetherholt
2. Winn
3. Herrera
4. Walker
5. Velazquez
6. Jordan
7. Fermin
8. Burleson (if he has to play)
9. Pages (if he has to catch)

Personally I'd rather sit Burleson, move Jordan to 1B, Fermin to 3B, and play Church and bat him 9th.
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bccardsfan wrote: 26 Jul 2026 10:42 am
bartleby the scrivener wrote: 26 Jul 2026 10:35 am Wondering what's the record for inside-the-park homeruns given up in a season.
Oli being Oli. I am sure he hopes to grab a lead, then swap Church into CF and V out of the game. I don't understand why Blaze is not hitting in an RBI position instead of Winn..... But I often have problems understanding Oli's lineups...
All the kids need to play and it’s fun to hit in different spots in the order. :D :D :D
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Futuregm2 wrote: 26 Jul 2026 10:52 am
bccardsfan wrote: 26 Jul 2026 10:42 am
bartleby the scrivener wrote: 26 Jul 2026 10:35 am Wondering what's the record for inside-the-park homeruns given up in a season.
Oli being Oli. I am sure he hopes to grab a lead, then swap Church into CF and V out of the game. I don't understand why Blaze is not hitting in an RBI position instead of Winn..... But I often have problems understanding Oli's lineups...
Winn is hitting .294/.364/.388 vs LHP. 2nd best batting average vs LHP on the Cardinals behind Walker and 3rd best OBP vs LHP on the Cardinals behind Walker and Herrera. I can see the logic somewhat, although I'd prefer this:

1. Wetherholt
2. Winn
3. Herrera
4. Walker
5. Velazquez
6. Jordan
7. Fermin
8. Burleson (if he has to play)
9. Pages (if he has to catch)

Personally I'd rather sit Burleson, move Jordan to 1B, Fermin to 3B, and play Church and bat him 9th.
+1

See how easy it is?

Yet Oli for some reason has never grasped how to set a lineup card. :?
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Post by imyourhuckleberry »

rockondlouie wrote: 26 Jul 2026 11:00 am
Futuregm2 wrote: 26 Jul 2026 10:52 am
bccardsfan wrote: 26 Jul 2026 10:42 am
bartleby the scrivener wrote: 26 Jul 2026 10:35 am Wondering what's the record for inside-the-park homeruns given up in a season.
Oli being Oli. I am sure he hopes to grab a lead, then swap Church into CF and V out of the game. I don't understand why Blaze is not hitting in an RBI position instead of Winn..... But I often have problems understanding Oli's lineups...
Winn is hitting .294/.364/.388 vs LHP. 2nd best batting average vs LHP on the Cardinals behind Walker and 3rd best OBP vs LHP on the Cardinals behind Walker and Herrera. I can see the logic somewhat, although I'd prefer this:

1. Wetherholt
2. Winn
3. Herrera
4. Walker
5. Velazquez
6. Jordan
7. Fermin
8. Burleson (if he has to play)
9. Pages (if he has to catch)

Personally I'd rather sit Burleson, move Jordan to 1B, Fermin to 3B, and play Church and bat him 9th.
+1

See how easy it is?

Yet Oli for some reason has never grasped how to set a lineup card. :?
Velazquez hasn't met a pitcher unable to strike him out lately. Put Jordan at 5, drop Velazquez to 7 or below until he heats back up.
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imyourhuckleberry wrote: 26 Jul 2026 11:07 am
rockondlouie wrote: 26 Jul 2026 11:00 am
Futuregm2 wrote: 26 Jul 2026 10:52 am
bccardsfan wrote: 26 Jul 2026 10:42 am
bartleby the scrivener wrote: 26 Jul 2026 10:35 am Wondering what's the record for inside-the-park homeruns given up in a season.
Oli being Oli. I am sure he hopes to grab a lead, then swap Church into CF and V out of the game. I don't understand why Blaze is not hitting in an RBI position instead of Winn..... But I often have problems understanding Oli's lineups...
Winn is hitting .294/.364/.388 vs LHP. 2nd best batting average vs LHP on the Cardinals behind Walker and 3rd best OBP vs LHP on the Cardinals behind Walker and Herrera. I can see the logic somewhat, although I'd prefer this:

1. Wetherholt
2. Winn
3. Herrera
4. Walker
5. Velazquez
6. Jordan
7. Fermin
8. Burleson (if he has to play)
9. Pages (if he has to catch)

Personally I'd rather sit Burleson, move Jordan to 1B, Fermin to 3B, and play Church and bat him 9th.
+1

See how easy it is?

Yet Oli for some reason has never grasped how to set a lineup card. :?
Velazquez hasn't met a pitcher unable to strike him out lately. Put Jordan at 5, drop Velazquez to 7 or below until he heats back up.
Absolutely, been saying it too:

Post by rockondlouie » 22 Jul 2026 12:59 pm

And B. Jordan 6th where he might come up w/men on base (he kills it w/men on base).
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rockondlouie wrote: 26 Jul 2026 11:16 am
imyourhuckleberry wrote: 26 Jul 2026 11:07 am
rockondlouie wrote: 26 Jul 2026 11:00 am
Futuregm2 wrote: 26 Jul 2026 10:52 am
bccardsfan wrote: 26 Jul 2026 10:42 am
bartleby the scrivener wrote: 26 Jul 2026 10:35 am Wondering what's the record for inside-the-park homeruns given up in a season.
Oli being Oli. I am sure he hopes to grab a lead, then swap Church into CF and V out of the game. I don't understand why Blaze is not hitting in an RBI position instead of Winn..... But I often have problems understanding Oli's lineups...
Winn is hitting .294/.364/.388 vs LHP. 2nd best batting average vs LHP on the Cardinals behind Walker and 3rd best OBP vs LHP on the Cardinals behind Walker and Herrera. I can see the logic somewhat, although I'd prefer this:

1. Wetherholt
2. Winn
3. Herrera
4. Walker
5. Velazquez
6. Jordan
7. Fermin
8. Burleson (if he has to play)
9. Pages (if he has to catch)

Personally I'd rather sit Burleson, move Jordan to 1B, Fermin to 3B, and play Church and bat him 9th.
+1

See how easy it is?

Yet Oli for some reason has never grasped how to set a lineup card. :?
Velazquez hasn't met a pitcher unable to strike him out lately. Put Jordan at 5, drop Velazquez to 7 or below until he heats back up.
Absolutely, been saying it too:

Post by rockondlouie » 22 Jul 2026 12:59 pm

And B. Jordan 6th where he might come up w/men on base (he kills it w/men on base).
He very much seems to not be slowing down in that respect. Eventually he will, but they should be riding him while he's hot. Sort of reminds me of pre-injury Allen Craig. That guy was a beast with men in base. Always thought he'll come back to earth never did until the knee (it was the knee, right). Freak injury? (unless I'm mixing him up with someone else). Brain is a little fuzzy this morning.
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Futuregm2 wrote: 26 Jul 2026 10:52 am
bccardsfan wrote: 26 Jul 2026 10:42 am
bartleby the scrivener wrote: 26 Jul 2026 10:35 am Wondering what's the record for inside-the-park homeruns given up in a season.
Oli being Oli. I am sure he hopes to grab a lead, then swap Church into CF and V out of the game. I don't understand why Blaze is not hitting in an RBI position instead of Winn..... But I often have problems understanding Oli's lineups...
Winn is hitting .294/.364/.388 vs LHP. 2nd best batting average vs LHP on the Cardinals behind Walker and 3rd best OBP vs LHP on the Cardinals behind Walker and Herrera. I can see the logic somewhat, although I'd prefer this:

1. Wetherholt
2. Winn
3. Herrera
4. Walker
5. Velazquez
6. Jordan
7. Fermin
8. Burleson (if he has to play)
9. Pages (if he has to catch)

Personally I'd rather sit Burleson, move Jordan to 1B, Fermin to 3B, and play Church and bat him 9th.
IF we are saying that there are times when they should move Winn up
why not move him to the top and get JJ potentially more ab's with a guy on?
Let him hunt RBI ab's vs OBP ab's.

The Cards have nothing at the end of the lineup that carries any OBP.
The major flaw in moving Walker up to the 2 imo. If the current trends continue
there should be some thought to either Nootbaar or Fermin at the #9 with
the short top-heavy lineups.
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imyourhuckleberry wrote: 26 Jul 2026 11:20 am
rockondlouie wrote: 26 Jul 2026 11:16 am
imyourhuckleberry wrote: 26 Jul 2026 11:07 am
rockondlouie wrote: 26 Jul 2026 11:00 am
Futuregm2 wrote: 26 Jul 2026 10:52 am
bccardsfan wrote: 26 Jul 2026 10:42 am
bartleby the scrivener wrote: 26 Jul 2026 10:35 am Wondering what's the record for inside-the-park homeruns given up in a season.
Oli being Oli. I am sure he hopes to grab a lead, then swap Church into CF and V out of the game. I don't understand why Blaze is not hitting in an RBI position instead of Winn..... But I often have problems understanding Oli's lineups...
Winn is hitting .294/.364/.388 vs LHP. 2nd best batting average vs LHP on the Cardinals behind Walker and 3rd best OBP vs LHP on the Cardinals behind Walker and Herrera. I can see the logic somewhat, although I'd prefer this:

1. Wetherholt
2. Winn
3. Herrera
4. Walker
5. Velazquez
6. Jordan
7. Fermin
8. Burleson (if he has to play)
9. Pages (if he has to catch)

Personally I'd rather sit Burleson, move Jordan to 1B, Fermin to 3B, and play Church and bat him 9th.
+1

See how easy it is?

Yet Oli for some reason has never grasped how to set a lineup card. :?
Velazquez hasn't met a pitcher unable to strike him out lately. Put Jordan at 5, drop Velazquez to 7 or below until he heats back up.
Absolutely, been saying it too:

Post by rockondlouie » 22 Jul 2026 12:59 pm

And B. Jordan 6th where he might come up w/men on base (he kills it w/men on base).
He very much seems to not be slowing down in that respect. Eventually he will, but they should be riding him while he's hot. Sort of reminds me of pre-injury Allen Craig. That guy was a beast with men in base. Always thought he'll come back to earth never did until the knee (it was the knee, right). Freak injury? (unless I'm mixing him up with someone else). Brain is a little fuzzy this morning.
Oh man that would be insanely great if he comes anywhere near a prime A.C.!

I fully remember it.........Craig twisted his foot rounding 1st base, got the dreaded Lisfranc injury
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Goldfan wrote: 26 Jul 2026 10:52 am
bccardsfan wrote: 26 Jul 2026 10:42 am
bartleby the scrivener wrote: 26 Jul 2026 10:35 am Wondering what's the record for inside-the-park homeruns given up in a season.
Oli being Oli. I am sure he hopes to grab a lead, then swap Church into CF and V out of the game. I don't understand why Blaze is not hitting in an RBI position instead of Winn..... But I often have problems understanding Oli's lineups...
All the kids need to play and it’s fun to hit in different spots in the order. :D :D :D
Yep, just little league . . . LOL! It will be nice when they finally get a good manager.
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imyourhuckleberry wrote: 26 Jul 2026 11:20 am
rockondlouie wrote: 26 Jul 2026 11:16 am
imyourhuckleberry wrote: 26 Jul 2026 11:07 am
rockondlouie wrote: 26 Jul 2026 11:00 am
Futuregm2 wrote: 26 Jul 2026 10:52 am
bccardsfan wrote: 26 Jul 2026 10:42 am
bartleby the scrivener wrote: 26 Jul 2026 10:35 am Wondering what's the record for inside-the-park homeruns given up in a season.
Oli being Oli. I am sure he hopes to grab a lead, then swap Church into CF and V out of the game. I don't understand why Blaze is not hitting in an RBI position instead of Winn..... But I often have problems understanding Oli's lineups...
Winn is hitting .294/.364/.388 vs LHP. 2nd best batting average vs LHP on the Cardinals behind Walker and 3rd best OBP vs LHP on the Cardinals behind Walker and Herrera. I can see the logic somewhat, although I'd prefer this:

1. Wetherholt
2. Winn
3. Herrera
4. Walker
5. Velazquez
6. Jordan
7. Fermin
8. Burleson (if he has to play)
9. Pages (if he has to catch)

Personally I'd rather sit Burleson, move Jordan to 1B, Fermin to 3B, and play Church and bat him 9th.
+1

See how easy it is?

Yet Oli for some reason has never grasped how to set a lineup card. :?
Velazquez hasn't met a pitcher unable to strike him out lately. Put Jordan at 5, drop Velazquez to 7 or below until he heats back up.
Absolutely, been saying it too:

Post by rockondlouie » 22 Jul 2026 12:59 pm

And B. Jordan 6th where he might come up w/men on base (he kills it w/men on base).
He very much seems to not be slowing down in that respect. Eventually he will, but they should be riding him while he's hot. Sort of reminds me of pre-injury Allen Craig. That guy was a beast with men in base. Always thought he'll come back to earth never did until the knee (it was the knee, right). Freak injury? (unless I'm mixing him up with someone else). Brain is a little fuzzy this morning.
Glad you mentioned Craig. We forget how good he was. He really was a beast with men on base. Jordan has shown similar tendencies with men on base. Good comp.