Arenado

[2ninr]

Maybe that shoulder injury was a bigger factor than was let on.

Maybe he just likes the Arizona ballpark. Who knows.

But to suggest throwing away two years in the twilight of a career is ridiculous.

Players across all major sports have had a history of dialing it back to force an outcome. This isn’t a impossibility

Where do you come up with these thoughts?

You’ve never heard of players dogging it to get out of situations they don’t want to be in ??

He's a probable Hall of Famer, but not a slam dunk. You think he's going to marginalize 2 seasons of stats so the Cardinals would move him? C'mon.

After a horrible start, I'm curious about this pregame routine that turns him back into a good hitter.

[rockondlouie]

NADO
6 HR
21 RBI
.273 .350 .448 .797

WillyC
9 HR
25 RBI
.253 .362 .468 .830

Donny
3 HR
8 RBI
.274 .386 .452 .839

Goldy
5 HR
12 RBI
.290 .395 .609 1.004

S. Gray
5 - 1
2.93 ERA

While some may lament them not being here I love seeing these former Cardinals do so well, why?

Because POBO's/GM's all over MLB are seeing this too and know they're going to get some value dealing w/the Cardinals which could make future trade returns even better.

WIN-WIN trades are the best.

Allows you to keep going back to that team and dealing again!

[Talkin' Baseball]

Maybe that shoulder injury was a bigger factor than was let on.

Maybe he just likes the Arizona ballpark. Who knows.

But to suggest throwing away two years in the twilight of a career is ridiculous.

Players across all major sports have had a history of dialing it back to force an outcome. This isn’t a impossibility

Where do you come up with these thoughts?

You’ve never heard of players dogging it to get out of situations they don’t want to be in ??

He's a probable Hall of Famer, but not a slam dunk. You think he's going to marginalize 2 seasons of stats so the Cardinals would move him? C'mon.

Intentionally marginalize his own stats?
No.
Mope and pout, thereby diminishing his motivation and competitive interest?
Absolutely.
Did it in Colorado.
Did in in STL.

Agree, but that's not what the OP is saying.

[jcgmoi]

This is the kind of post we get when we don't have a losing Cardinal team to kick around. Rehashing the Liberatore trade for the gazillionith time is another.

[scoutyjones2]

Maybe that shoulder injury was a bigger factor than was let on.

Maybe he just likes the Arizona ballpark. Who knows.

But to suggest throwing away two years in the twilight of a career is ridiculous.

Players across all major sports have had a history of dialing it back to force an outcome. This isn’t a impossibility

Name at least 4

[Melville]

Maybe that shoulder injury was a bigger factor than was let on.

Maybe he just likes the Arizona ballpark. Who knows.

But to suggest throwing away two years in the twilight of a career is ridiculous.

Players across all major sports have had a history of dialing it back to force an outcome. This isn’t a impossibility

Where do you come up with these thoughts?

You’ve never heard of players dogging it to get out of situations they don’t want to be in ??

He's a probable Hall of Famer, but not a slam dunk. You think he's going to marginalize 2 seasons of stats so the Cardinals would move him? C'mon.

Intentionally marginalize his own stats?
No.
Mope and pout, thereby diminishing his motivation and competitive interest?
Absolutely.
Did it in Colorado.
Did in in STL.

Agree, but that's not what the OP is saying.

The OP is saying N/A intentionally forced his way out of STL.
It is a fair question, since that is EXACTLY what N/A did in Colorado.
He signed a massive contract and then flat turned against his own teammates. - truly despicable behavior.
That's not what happened in STL.
Super Slo Mo expected N/A to be someone he was not and never will be.
N/A never wanted to be a leader and predictably failed spectacularly when asked to become one.
Leaving STL under a cloud was inevitable - but N/A did not create that situation.
Super Slo Mo and The Marmot did.
It ended with N/A simply playing for his paycheck, which was a sad and pathetic outcome.
I hope his teammates in AZ do the heavy lifting and carry him into the playoffs - which is all he wants at this point.
Every fading vet on the downside of his career wants one last chance to play in October - and I don't begrudge him that one bit.
After all, the Cardinals instantly got better the day he left - just as I said they would.

[PadsFS07]

NADO
6 HR
21 RBI
.273 .350 .448 .797

WillyC
9 HR
25 RBI
.253 .362 .468 .830

Donny
3 HR
8 RBI
.274 .386 .452 .839

Goldy
5 HR
12 RBI
.290 .395 .609 1.004

S. Gray
5 - 1
2.93 ERA

While some may lament them not being here I love seeing these former Cardinals do so well, why?

Because POBO's/GM's all over MLB are seeing this too and know they're going to get some value dealing w/the Cardinals which could make future trade returns even better.

WIN-WIN trades are the best.

Allows you to keep going back to that team and dealing again!

Man I don’t know. Those numbers would look pretty good filling in some of the holes on our current roster.

[OldRed]

Maybe that shoulder injury was a bigger factor than was let on.

Maybe he just likes the Arizona ballpark. Who knows.

But to suggest throwing away two years in the twilight of a career is ridiculous.

Players across all major sports have had a history of dialing it back to force an outcome. This isn’t a impossibility

Where do you come up with these thoughts?

You’ve never heard of players dogging it to get out of situations they don’t want to be in ??

He's a probable Hall of Famer, but not a slam dunk. You think he's going to marginalize 2 seasons of stats so the Cardinals would move him? C'mon.

Intentionally marginalize his own stats?
No.
Mope and pout, thereby diminishing his motivation and competitive interest?
Absolutely.
Did it in Colorado.
Did in in STL.

Agree, but that's not what the OP is saying.

The OP is saying N/A intentionally forced his way out of STL.
It is a fair question, since that is EXACTLY what N/A did in Colorado.
He signed a massive contract and then flat turned against his own teammates. - truly despicable behavior.
That's not what happened in STL.
Super Slo Mo expected N/A to be someone he was not and never will be.
N/A never wanted to be a leader and predictably failed spectacularly when asked to become one.
Leaving STL under a cloud was inevitable - but N/A did not create that situation.
Super Slo Mo and The Marmot did.
It ended with N/A simply playing for his paycheck, which was a sad and pathetic outcome.
I hope his teammates in AZ do the heavy lifting and carry him into the playoffs - which is all he wants at this point.
Every fading vet on the downside of his career wants one last chance to play in October - and I don't begrudge him that one bit.
After all, the Cardinals instantly got better the day he left - just as I said they would.

You are so full of yourself. If you can remember he was injured last season. Many baseball players have come back seasons after they heal.

[ecleme22]

Maybe that shoulder injury was a bigger factor than was let on.

Maybe he just likes the Arizona ballpark. Who knows.

But to suggest throwing away two years in the twilight of a career is ridiculous.

Players across all major sports have had a history of dialing it back to force an outcome. This isn’t a impossibility

Where do you come up with these thoughts?

You’ve never heard of players dogging it to get out of situations they don’t want to be in ??

Arenado's situation the last TWO YEARS: playing for a team that was looking to trade him and rebuild.
Arenado's wish: To win a WS before he retires.

If your theory is correct, NA's dogging it was self-sabotage, since it reduced the number of teams interested in trading for him.

Which makes your OP unbelievably dumb...

[dugoutrex]

NADO
6 HR
21 RBI
.273 .350 .448 .797

WillyC
9 HR
25 RBI
.253 .362 .468 .830

Donny
3 HR
8 RBI
.274 .386 .452 .839

Goldy
5 HR
12 RBI
.290 .395 .609 1.004

S. Gray
5 - 1
2.93 ERA

While some may lament them not being here I love seeing these former Cardinals do so well, why?

Because POBO's/GM's all over MLB are seeing this too and know they're going to get some value dealing w/the Cardinals which could make future trade returns even better.

WIN-WIN trades are the best.

Allows you to keep going back to that team and dealing again!

Man I don’t know. Those numbers would look pretty good filling in some of the holes on our current roster.

yup - if Walker had come around a little sooner ...

[Cusecards]

There’s no question that Arenado’s last two seasons here saw significant drop off.
But I don’t think(and I have zero inside info) he intentionally underperformed.
Actually the opposite:
Declining skills due to age?
Injury?(shoulder)
Failure to adapt his game and change??

Again....just guessing but I don’t see him tanking.
Moody & stubborn??
Yes

[Goldfan]

There’s no question that Arenado’s last two seasons here saw significant drop off.
But I don’t think(and I have zero inside info) he intentionally underperformed.
Actually the opposite:
Declining skills due to age?
Injury?(shoulder)
Failure to adapt his game and change??

Again....just guessing but I don’t see him tanking.
Moody & stubborn??
Yes

I think being a yr older this year voids the age excuse. He a temperamental headcase and whether subconsciously or not his baserunning and fielding exhibited that his head was elsewhere for large chucks of time. Thats not a leader or Pro.

[Goldfan]

NADO
6 HR
21 RBI
.273 .350 .448 .797

WillyC
9 HR
25 RBI
.253 .362 .468 .830

Donny
3 HR
8 RBI
.274 .386 .452 .839

Goldy
5 HR
12 RBI
.290 .395 .609 1.004

S. Gray
5 - 1
2.93 ERA

While some may lament them not being here I love seeing these former Cardinals do so well, why?

Because POBO's/GM's all over MLB are seeing this too and know they're going to get some value dealing w/the Cardinals which could make future trade returns even better.

WIN-WIN trades are the best.

Allows you to keep going back to that team and dealing again!

Gray and WC would look (bleep) good in a Cards uni this season. The glaring holes wouldn’t be there and a few more wins would be in the column. Gray drops Leahy or Pallante to supplement a weak pen. Burly patrols left and the only hole remaining would be catcher.

[Goldfan]

Maybe that shoulder injury was a bigger factor than was let on.

Maybe he just likes the Arizona ballpark. Who knows.

But to suggest throwing away two years in the twilight of a career is ridiculous.

Players across all major sports have had a history of dialing it back to force an outcome. This isn’t a impossibility

Name at least 4

Vince Carter (NBA): During the 2004-2005 season, Carter grew frustrated with the Toronto Raptors. His production plummeted, and he openly admitted to giving less than 100% and tipping off opposing players about the Raptors' plays before ultimately being traded to the New Jersey Nets.
Albert Haynesworth (NFL): After signing a massive contract with the Washington Redskins in 2009, Haynesworth publicly clashed with the coaching staff over defensive schemes. His effort noticeably flatlined, he failed conditioning tests, and he was eventually benched and traded.
Ben Simmons (NBA): Following a poor postseason in 2021, Simmons grew disgruntled with the Philadelphia 76ers. He refused to play, cited mental health concerns, and held out of training camp to force a deal, eventually resulting in a trade to the Brooklyn Nets

[Adam2]

NADO
6 HR
21 RBI
.273 .350 .448 .797

WillyC
9 HR
25 RBI
.253 .362 .468 .830

Donny
3 HR
8 RBI
.274 .386 .452 .839

Goldy
5 HR
12 RBI
.290 .395 .609 1.004

S. Gray
5 - 1
2.93 ERA

While some may lament them not being here I love seeing these former Cardinals do so well, why?

Because POBO's/GM's all over MLB are seeing this too and know they're going to get some value dealing w/the Cardinals which could make future trade returns even better.

WIN-WIN trades are the best.

Allows you to keep going back to that team and dealing again!

Gray and WC would look (drat) good in a Cards uni this season. The glaring holes wouldn’t be there and a few more wins would be in the column. Gray drops Leahy or Pallante to supplement a weak pen. Burly patrols left and the only hole remaining would be catcher.

and the vet presence would stifle the young team's enthusiasm. this solid start ONLY happens if the vets are gone. You think Gray and Contreras would love the tarpless crowd in the clubhouse?? No. The chemistry of the team would have suffered.

[BrockFloodMaris]

Maybe that shoulder injury was a bigger factor than was let on.

Maybe he just likes the Arizona ballpark. Who knows.

But to suggest throwing away two years in the twilight of a career is ridiculous.

Players across all major sports have had a history of dialing it back to force an outcome. This isn’t a impossibility

Where do you come up with these thoughts?

You’ve never heard of players dogging it to get out of situations they don’t want to be in ??

He's a probable Hall of Famer, but not a slam dunk. You think he's going to marginalize 2 seasons of stats so the Cardinals would move him? C'mon.

Intentionally marginalize his own stats?
No.
Mope and pout, thereby diminishing his motivation and competitive interest?
Absolutely.
Did it in Colorado.
Did in in STL.

Agree, but that's not what the OP is saying.

The OP is saying N/A intentionally forced his way out of STL.
It is a fair question, since that is EXACTLY what N/A did in Colorado.
He signed a massive contract and then flat turned against his own teammates. - truly despicable behavior.
That's not what happened in STL.
Super Slo Mo expected N/A to be someone he was not and never will be.
N/A never wanted to be a leader and predictably failed spectacularly when asked to become one.
Leaving STL under a cloud was inevitable - but N/A did not create that situation.
Super Slo Mo and The Marmot did.
It ended with N/A simply playing for his paycheck, which was a sad and pathetic outcome.
I hope his teammates in AZ do the heavy lifting and carry him into the playoffs - which is all he wants at this point.
Every fading vet on the downside of his career wants one last chance to play in October - and I don't begrudge him that one bit.
After all, the Cardinals instantly got better the day he left - just as I said they would.

Good assessment. BDW and Mo saw in Nado who they wanted to see, not who he really was and is. STL was not a great landing spot for him. Goldie covered him well enough for a while to keep him happy and productive. Nado is just so self-centered, he can't be bothered with things like leadership and mentoring. He was pretty lost the last two years in STL.