Proposed Kyrou trade to CBJ

[noted]

Per Michael Whitaker of Clutch Points.

He wonders if there is a match for Kyrou for the Columbus first round pick at 14.

It would be good for the Blues, Kyrou and Columbus.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nhl/2- ... 2121&ei=30

I’m only interested if that was somehow involved in a 3-way trade to either move up in the draft or pluck a young Center prospect in the vein of Desnoyers, Iginla, or O’Brein.

The hope in moving a Kyrou is a player like Stenberg, Kaskimaki, or Carbonneau can replace that 2021/22-thru-2024/25 offensive production Kyrou brought. How quickly we forget how good JK was in 2024/25 until he got Stanley-Steamrolled in Game 1.

The Blues can likely replace his 2025/26 production w/Drouin+Stenberg, but that still has the squad out if the Stanley Cup Playoffs. Ideally, the Blues are retaining a resurgent Kyrou & and maturing Stenberg and replacing a Drouin w/Kas and/or Carbonneau

Scenario 1

• Holloway - Thomas - Snuggerud

• Buch - Offseason 2C - Kyrou

• Neighbors - Suter - Dvorsky

• Carbs/Kas - Finley - O Stenberg

Kas/Carbs, Berggren, Torpedo, Aussie

Scenario 2

• Holloway - Thomas - Snuggerud

• Buch - Suter - Kyrou

• Neighbors - Dvorsky - O Stenberg

• Carbs/Kas - Offseason Prospect C - Berggren/Torpedo

Kas/Carbs, Finley, Torp/Berggren, Aussie

I understand that’s a bit of a cluster-eff, because the Scenario 1 plan is to expedite the on-ice product for possible Round 2 playoff contention + Dvorsky’s, Stenberg’s and either Kas/Carbs development and Scenario 2 is more focused on player-development and potential Wild Card 2 contention.

I feel Scenario 1 likely has a Carbonneau in AHL for the beginning of the season if promote Kaskimaki, whereas Scenario 2 would have both on the team getting meaningful Bottom-6 minutes.

You need a reality check if you think you are getting a prospect the caliber of Desnoyers, Iginla, or O’Brein for Jordan Kyrou…

Let’s play a game… point out to me where I said that?

You said "I’m only interested if that was somehow involved in a 3-way trade to either move up in the draft or pluck a young Center prospect in the vein of Desnoyers, Iginla, or O’Brein." This was referring to trading Kyrou. The only center prospect in this year's draft that is in those guys ilk is Malhotra. Kyrou is not getting you the draft pick it would be required to draft Malhotra even if you included #11. He's not getting past #4. Tor, SJ, Van, and Chi are not moving out of those spots for Kyrou and #11.

You just repeated my comment about Kyrou’s involvement in a potential 3-Way Trade, yet continue to treat the comment as if it was a 1:1 swap. It wasn’t. I cannot make that anymore plainly.

I don’t need to spell out the specifics in how it happens. That’s not the point. I’m simply providing the required outcome; which is a young, NHL ready prospect in return. In my opinion, the argument of removing a potential Allstar Top-6 Line Rostered Player for a fourth pick in this First Round is useless to the 2026/27 Blues unless they’re getting a rostered player in return.

I don’t care if it’s Kyrou + a 2026 First, or Kyrou + Fischer, or a 3-Way deal… whatever… if it nets us a NHL-ready Prospect Center.

How someone could call Kyrou a potential all star at this point is just delusional

[zoiks]

Pssst - their secondary scoring stunk last season with Kyrou...

Ka-Kaw - He had a down year and a bum knee. He has a better chance of having a bounce back next season than any of the bums available in free agency.

[Walter Sobchak00]

I'm fine with the pick. Like Tim said (Pierre McGuire), Dube could replace Kyrou's 25-26 production, plus I believe Carboneau will make the Blues next year. If we can't get #14 for Kyrou, you make it happen. We have good prospects, but we can get more NHL-certainty by drafting in the first round. If you draft high enough in the first round, you cut down that time in the AHL. Kyrou is trending down. I would be okay with his scoring drop, but his moody play on the ice and high turnover rate are too much. He's a good player, but the word is out on him. I don't think he has more value than that, and he's not going to bring back more than that.

Why is it assumed Dube could replicate the best season he ever had as a pro 4 seasons ago but Kyrou after 1 down year can never replicate his production?

Same reasons you continue to make excuses for Kyrou who is now 28 years old btw.

Please show me where I said a single positive thing about Kyrou let alone made an excuse for him.

Dube turns 28 in July btw.

[Walter Sobchak00]

I'm fine with the pick. Like Tim said (Pierre McGuire), Dube could replace Kyrou's 25-26 production, plus I believe Carboneau will make the Blues next year. If we can't get #14 for Kyrou, you make it happen. We have good prospects, but we can get more NHL-certainty by drafting in the first round. If you draft high enough in the first round, you cut down that time in the AHL. Kyrou is trending down. I would be okay with his scoring drop, but his moody play on the ice and high turnover rate are too much. He's a good player, but the word is out on him. I don't think he has more value than that, and he's not going to bring back more than that.

Why is it assumed Dube could replicate the best season he ever had as a pro 4 seasons ago but Kyrou after 1 down year can never replicate his production?

Because he was a young player that was trending up. His life experience has given him more purpose. The point was Kyrou's production has become pedestrian.

Kyrou’s production has become pedestrian because of one down year? A down year the entire team shared..

[noted]

Am I the only poster left that wants the Blues to stay the course and even add to the youth movement?
It seems most of the talk is about adding veteran players.
I'm not looking to add expensive players that are on, or near the back 9 of their careers.

Im right there with ya. I actually want to groom our own stars abd have a long contention window, seems like most around here couldn’t care less about winning and just want a couple over the hill stars from other teams and would be happy as hell with some more 1990’s first round exits. BUT AT LEAST WE HAD A CHANCE..derp.

Veterans that are 26 are very different than veterans that are 30.

If they trade Kyrou they need a player that is ready now not a player that is ready in 3 years but thats a 23-25 year old with term not a 27-29 year old.

Here you thought Kyrou was 26…

[noted]

Am I the only poster left that wants the Blues to stay the course and even add to the youth movement?
It seems most of the talk is about adding veteran players.
I'm not looking to add expensive players that are on, or near the back 9 of their careers.

Im right there with ya. I actually want to groom our own stars abd have a long contention window, seems like most around here couldn’t care less about winning and just want a couple over the hill stars from other teams and would be happy as hell with some more 1990’s first round exits. BUT AT LEAST WE HAD A CHANCE..derp.

Veterans that are 26 are very different than veterans that are 30.

If they trade Kyrou they need a player that is ready now not a player that is ready in 3 years but thats a 23-25 year old with term not a 27-29 year old.

If you trade Kyrou and acquire that pick, now you have 4 first rounders. You don’t think you have enough capital to acquire that player?
Blues also have a free asset in Dube that can probably come in and replace Kyrou’s production right now

Dube isn't replacing Kyrou's production. He's at best a 3rd liner and more likely a 4th liner.


Wouldn't the comment "end up with a player ready now" cover your scenario?

Here you acted like Kyrou’s “production” was somehow irreplaceable

[Walter Sobchak00]

Am I the only poster left that wants the Blues to stay the course and even add to the youth movement?
It seems most of the talk is about adding veteran players.
I'm not looking to add expensive players that are on, or near the back 9 of their careers.

Im right there with ya. I actually want to groom our own stars abd have a long contention window, seems like most around here couldn’t care less about winning and just want a couple over the hill stars from other teams and would be happy as hell with some more 1990’s first round exits. BUT AT LEAST WE HAD A CHANCE..derp.

Veterans that are 26 are very different than veterans that are 30.

If they trade Kyrou they need a player that is ready now not a player that is ready in 3 years but thats a 23-25 year old with term not a 27-29 year old.

If you trade Kyrou and acquire that pick, now you have 4 first rounders. You don’t think you have enough capital to acquire that player?
Blues also have a free asset in Dube that can probably come in and replace Kyrou’s production right now

Dube isn't replacing Kyrou's production. He's at best a 3rd liner and more likely a 4th liner.


Wouldn't the comment "end up with a player ready now" cover your scenario?

Here you acted like Kyrou’s “production” was somehow irreplaceable

No that's stating a player who hasn't played in the NHL in 2 years and hasn't ever scored 20 goals in the NHL isn't likely to replace the production Kyrou had in a down year.

[Walter Sobchak00]

Am I the only poster left that wants the Blues to stay the course and even add to the youth movement?
It seems most of the talk is about adding veteran players.
I'm not looking to add expensive players that are on, or near the back 9 of their careers.

Im right there with ya. I actually want to groom our own stars abd have a long contention window, seems like most around here couldn’t care less about winning and just want a couple over the hill stars from other teams and would be happy as hell with some more 1990’s first round exits. BUT AT LEAST WE HAD A CHANCE..derp.

Veterans that are 26 are very different than veterans that are 30.

If they trade Kyrou they need a player that is ready now not a player that is ready in 3 years but thats a 23-25 year old with term not a 27-29 year old.

Here you thought Kyrou was 26…

Again that had nothing to do with Kyrou, that was a response to the Blues fans wanting to add veterans. The Blues adding 26 year old veterans isn't deviating from their plan.

[STL fan in MN]

I’d be surprised if Kyrou would waive his NTC for Columbus. No proof but just a gut feeling.

But beyond that, it’s horrible value IMO. There’d need to be a pretty big + on top of Pick 14. Kyrou is streaky, has a questionable compete level and had a down year but he’s still a very + player overall.

Additionally, the Blues don’t really need another mid 1st round pick. Not unless there’s some sort of plan to then flip it and then another asset for a better asset. Eventually all of these prospects are going to start running into each other without enough roster spots to go around to all that are deserving. Over the next couple years, what they really need to do is to take some of their quantity and try to turn it into quality. The Blues could probably get a good prospect with pick 14 but what would be better is taking a couple of those good assets and trying to turn them into a great asset. Easier said than done but my main point is that trading Kyrou with the main return piece being another good but not great asset makes absolutely no sense to me.

[BleedingBleu]

Per Michael Whitaker of Clutch Points.

He wonders if there is a match for Kyrou for the Columbus first round pick at 14.

It would be good for the Blues, Kyrou and Columbus.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nhl/2- ... 2121&ei=30

I’m only interested if that was somehow involved in a 3-way trade to either move up in the draft or pluck a young Center prospect in the vein of Desnoyers, Iginla, or O’Brein.

The hope in moving a Kyrou is a player like Stenberg, Kaskimaki, or Carbonneau can replace that 2021/22-thru-2024/25 offensive production Kyrou brought. How quickly we forget how good JK was in 2024/25 until he got Stanley-Steamrolled in Game 1.

The Blues can likely replace his 2025/26 production w/Drouin+Stenberg, but that still has the squad out if the Stanley Cup Playoffs. Ideally, the Blues are retaining a resurgent Kyrou & and maturing Stenberg and replacing a Drouin w/Kas and/or Carbonneau

Scenario 1

• Holloway - Thomas - Snuggerud

• Buch - Offseason 2C - Kyrou

• Neighbors - Suter - Dvorsky

• Carbs/Kas - Finley - O Stenberg

Kas/Carbs, Berggren, Torpedo, Aussie

Scenario 2

• Holloway - Thomas - Snuggerud

• Buch - Suter - Kyrou

• Neighbors - Dvorsky - O Stenberg

• Carbs/Kas - Offseason Prospect C - Berggren/Torpedo

Kas/Carbs, Finley, Torp/Berggren, Aussie

I understand that’s a bit of a cluster-eff, because the Scenario 1 plan is to expedite the on-ice product for possible Round 2 playoff contention + Dvorsky’s, Stenberg’s and either Kas/Carbs development and Scenario 2 is more focused on player-development and potential Wild Card 2 contention.

I feel Scenario 1 likely has a Carbonneau in AHL for the beginning of the season if promote Kaskimaki, whereas Scenario 2 would have both on the team getting meaningful Bottom-6 minutes.

You need a reality check if you think you are getting a prospect the caliber of Desnoyers, Iginla, or O’Brein for Jordan Kyrou…

Let’s play a game… point out to me where I said that?

You said "I’m only interested if that was somehow involved in a 3-way trade to either move up in the draft or pluck a young Center prospect in the vein of Desnoyers, Iginla, or O’Brein." This was referring to trading Kyrou. The only center prospect in this year's draft that is in those guys ilk is Malhotra. Kyrou is not getting you the draft pick it would be required to draft Malhotra even if you included #11. He's not getting past #4. Tor, SJ, Van, and Chi are not moving out of those spots for Kyrou and #11.

You just repeated my comment about Kyrou’s involvement in a potential 3-Way Trade, yet continue to treat the comment as if it was a 1:1 swap. It wasn’t. I cannot make that anymore plainly.

I don’t need to spell out the specifics in how it happens. That’s not the point. I’m simply providing the required outcome; which is a young, NHL ready prospect in return. In my opinion, the argument of removing a potential Allstar Top-6 Line Rostered Player for a fourth pick in this First Round is useless to the 2026/27 Blues unless they’re getting a rostered player in return.

I don’t care if it’s Kyrou + a 2026 First, or Kyrou + Fischer, or a 3-Way deal… whatever… if it nets us a NHL-ready Prospect Center.

How someone could call Kyrou a potential all star at this point is just delusional

[TAFKAP]

Am I the only poster left that wants the Blues to stay the course and even add to the youth movement?
It seems most of the talk is about adding veteran players.
I'm not looking to add expensive players that are on, or near the back 9 of their careers.

Im right there with ya. I actually want to groom our own stars abd have a long contention window, seems like most around here couldn’t care less about winning and just want a couple over the hill stars from other teams and would be happy as hell with some more 1990’s first round exits. BUT AT LEAST WE HAD A CHANCE..derp.

For the record, of the 10 seasons from 1989-90 to 1998-99, the Blues made the playoffs all 10 years, but, lost in the First Round 4 times (1992,1994,1995,1997).