Dube

[Pierre McGuire]

Technically while it’s currently a PTO, he’s repping the Blue note right now anyway. I’d kind of be shocked if he’s not signed to at least a two way deal and given a shot.

[Tony Palazzolo]

Technically while it’s currently a PTO, he’s repping the Blue note right now anyway. I’d kind of be shocked if he’s not signed to at least a two way deal and given a shot.

I haven't been following how he's doing. To me, he screwed up but it wasn't criminal and he's already paid a heavy price. If he's proving himself the Blues should look at it as a gift and give him a chance. I have a 19 year old boy and I can tell you they are all dumb(donkey). Just goes with the territory.

[Rollin' on the River]

I would think that this time playing under Ott and along with some of our future players is ideal and that he has earned a 2nd chance.
Rollin - don't you believe in 2nd chances?

Not for certain things, no.

Not for stupid life altering decisions I don’t, No.

[Rollin' on the River]

He was signed to a PTO, seems likes he’s made the most out of that PTO. Not sure what more they could ask from him. I’d like to see the Blues sign him to a deal.

No.

They could do a lot worse. Sign him to a team friendly, short-term, one or two year deal and he can always be moved at a trade deadline.

They could do worse. But why reward people like him? Simply because he’s a good athlete?

One of those boys legitimately cried that he had to learn to work a skid loader because he couldn’t do anything outside of hockey.

[Rollin' on the River]

He was signed to a PTO, seems likes he’s made the most out of that PTO. Not sure what more they could ask from him. I’d like to see the Blues sign him to a deal.

No.

Curious.......is this due to his hockey ability or is it due to off ice stuff?

Strictly off ice stuff.

Im sure I have some hate coming my way for being so….rigid. But there’s just some thingsI don’t compromise on. Especially being a two time girl dad.

[BluesDom]

Dube has been smokin during his time in the AHL. Somebody gonna take a flyer on him.

[Rollin' on the River]

I believe the team started the turnaround when he arrived. He’s been fantastic in the playoffs. He’s a Center which we desperately need.

He was very young, and I believe he was not even convicted, although there was certainly some bad behavior in bad choices.

I would ask that, and even some of the older players have his behavior has been and if it looks like he’s learned and grown up, give him a second chance.

Here comes the “we all did dumb stuff at 19” crowd.

Right on cue.

[Rollin' on the River]

Technically while it’s currently a PTO, he’s repping the Blue note right now anyway. I’d kind of be shocked if he’s not signed to at least a two way deal and given a shot.

I haven't been following how he's doing. To me, he screwed up but it wasn't criminal and he's already paid a heavy price. If he's proving himself the Blues should look at it as a gift and give him a chance. I have a 19 year old boy and I can tell you they are all dumb(donkey). Just goes with the territory.

This place is [fork]ing bananas.

If hope you’d raise your son to be more like Drake Batherson, coward he may be, rather than like the other 7-8 boys who got away with a crime.

[BluesDom]

I believe the team started the turnaround when he arrived. He’s been fantastic in the playoffs. He’s a Center which we desperately need.

He was very young, and I believe he was not even convicted, although there was certainly some bad behavior in bad choices.

I would ask that, and even some of the older players have his behavior has been and if it looks like he’s learned and grown up, give him a second chance.

Here comes the “we all did dumb stuff at 19” crowd.

Right on cue.

We already gave him a second chance. Blues gave him new life and hes made the most of it. Doesnt mean the Blues will sign him. Another team will. He has been given a chance and hes played great.

[DawgDad]

I believe the team started the turnaround when he arrived. He’s been fantastic in the playoffs. He’s a Center which we desperately need.

He was very young, and I believe he was not even convicted, although there was certainly some bad behavior in bad choices.

I would ask that, and even some of the older players have his behavior has been and if it looks like he’s learned and grown up, give him a second chance.

Here comes the “we all did dumb stuff at 19” crowd.

Right on cue.

Feel better? That seems to be what you're all about, here.

[Rollin' on the River]

I believe the team started the turnaround when he arrived. He’s been fantastic in the playoffs. He’s a Center which we desperately need.

He was very young, and I believe he was not even convicted, although there was certainly some bad behavior in bad choices.

I would ask that, and even some of the older players have his behavior has been and if it looks like he’s learned and grown up, give him a second chance.

Here comes the “we all did dumb stuff at 19” crowd.

Right on cue.

Feel better? That seems to be what you're all about, here.

What are you talking about?

The fact that people are excusing Dube’s behavior is disgusting.

[Pierre McGuire]

I believe the team started the turnaround when he arrived. He’s been fantastic in the playoffs. He’s a Center which we desperately need.

He was very young, and I believe he was not even convicted, although there was certainly some bad behavior in bad choices.

I would ask that, and even some of the older players have his behavior has been and if it looks like he’s learned and grown up, give him a second chance.

Here comes the “we all did dumb stuff at 19” crowd.

Right on cue.

Feel better? That seems to be what you're all about, here.

What are you talking about?

The fact that people are excusing Dube’s behavior is disgusting.

The Blues did their due diligence before signing him to the PTO. Why isn’t that good enough for you?

[Younghopp1991]

I believe the team started the turnaround when he arrived. He’s been fantastic in the playoffs. He’s a Center which we desperately need.

He was very young, and I believe he was not even convicted, although there was certainly some bad behavior in bad choices.

I would ask that, and even some of the older players have his behavior has been and if it looks like he’s learned and grown up, give him a second chance.

Here comes the “we all did dumb stuff at 19” crowd.

Right on cue.

Feel better? That seems to be what you're all about, here.

What are you talking about?

The fact that people are excusing Dube’s behavior is disgusting.

The Blues did their due diligence before signing him to the PTO. Why isn’t that good enough for you?

Hes just being confrontational. I doubt he really cares. Just likes to go against everybody to be spiteful. The guy has a opinion on everything and 70% of the time he doesnt know the topic.

[Army's Mom]

I believe the team started the turnaround when he arrived. He’s been fantastic in the playoffs. He’s a Center which we desperately need.

He was very young, and I believe he was not even convicted, although there was certainly some bad behavior in bad choices.

I would ask that, and even some of the older players have his behavior has been and if it looks like he’s learned and grown up, give him a second chance.

Here comes the “we all did dumb stuff at 19” crowd.

Right on cue.

Feel better? That seems to be what you're all about, here.

What are you talking about?

The fact that people are excusing Dube’s behavior is disgusting.

Look, I personally applaud your principled stance regarding sexual violence. I'm not a girl dad, but I have worked some with victims. I hope you're equally stubborn when it comes to Quenneville, though (or, were you one of the ones saying Beach at 6'5" just couldn't be a victim)?

That said, we don't know what all Dube did or didn't do on that night. He was charged and acquitted. Yes, most actual rapists are acquitted because of how difficult allegations are to prove. No, acquittal doesn't mean you or I have to forgive him.

But what aren't we forgiving him for?

I don't know if Dube learned his lesson or not. I don't know whether he's suffered enough or not. But I believe it's possible to make amends, and I believe the Blues due diligence would have included asking him probing questions about his conduct on that night, his attitude about that night, and his actions since.

Suppose he had no actual contact with the girl. Suppose he wasn't wielding a golf club. Suppose he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Should he be shunned for life?

Suppose he's taken classes to educate himself. Suppose he advocates for consent based sexual education. Suppose he volunteers with victim's groups that will have him? Should he still be shunned for life?

I can't say you're WRONG to condemn him - I just don't know enough of the facts. But I think there's a possibility that he has earned another chance, and as a fan I kind of have to trust the Blues management to determine that - at least until such time as they prove they'll put winning over character.

[MandatoryDenial]

He was signed to a PTO, seems likes he’s made the most out of that PTO. Not sure what more they could ask from him. I’d like to see the Blues sign him to a deal.

I would as well. I think Ott said it best, he is proving that he is an NHLer. Lets send a message to the AHL team that if you work hard we reward you. I would like to see him signed to a two way contract as well.

[bixblues]

I believe the team started the turnaround when he arrived. He’s been fantastic in the playoffs. He’s a Center which we desperately need.

He was very young, and I believe he was not even convicted, although there was certainly some bad behavior in bad choices.

I would ask that, and even some of the older players have his behavior has been and if it looks like he’s learned and grown up, give him a second chance.

Here comes the “we all did dumb stuff at 19” crowd.

Right on cue.

Feel better? That seems to be what you're all about, here.

What are you talking about?

The fact that people are excusing Dube’s behavior is disgusting.

Look, I personally applaud your principled stance regarding sexual violence. I'm not a girl dad, but I have worked some with victims. I hope you're equally stubborn when it comes to Quenneville, though (or, were you one of the ones saying Beach at 6'5" just couldn't be a victim)?

That said, we don't know what all Dube did or didn't do on that night. He was charged and acquitted. Yes, most actual rapists are acquitted because of how difficult allegations are to prove. No, acquittal doesn't mean you or I have to forgive him.

But what aren't we forgiving him for?

I don't know if Dube learned his lesson or not. I don't know whether he's suffered enough or not. But I believe it's possible to make amends, and I believe the Blues due diligence would have included asking him probing questions about his conduct on that night, his attitude about that night, and his actions since.

Suppose he had no actual contact with the girl. Suppose he wasn't wielding a golf club. Suppose he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Should he be shunned for life?

Suppose he's taken classes to educate himself. Suppose he advocates for consent based sexual education. Suppose he volunteers with victim's groups that will have him? Should he still be shunned for life?

I can't say you're WRONG to condemn him - I just don't know enough of the facts. But I think there's a possibility that he has earned another chance, and as a fan I kind of have to trust the Blues management to determine that - at least until such time as they prove they'll put winning over character.

+1.........How dare you sound logical and be open to the possibility that none of us know exactly what happened!