Great win but Gorman seems hopeless

[Ozziesfan41]

It's pretty telling when as a viewer, you're hoping your team's power-hitting 3B can draw a walk late in the game and would rather he stood there with the bat on his shoulder than swing. Imagine what the offense would look like with Donovan playing 3B instead of Gorman.

We would only see that occasionally when donovan isnt on the IL or out with injuries donovan

[2ninr]

Either he’s uncoachable or inept. He swings and misses more than a windmill. Someone needs to get his attention. He doesn’t belong in the middle of the order. I’m tired of him jerking his head around with every swing and fixated for no reason on pulling the ball. Maybe he’s just stupid.

That's not real Christian of you there " Galatians" calling a guy inept and stupid because he had a bad baseball game. Just a little pointer. You make yourself look completely un-knowledgeable about the sport when you are triggered by a bad game and start nasty threads and act like a child about the man's poor performance.

It’s more than just a bad game. Gorman hasn’t had an OPS above .700 since 2023. He has a .285 OBP% and .384 SLG% over his last 942 PA. No OBP above .300 in any of the last 3 years, and no SLG% above .400 in any of the last 3 years.

We all know Gormans performance at the plate is underwhelming at best. The name calling isn't necessary.

[Ozziesfan41]

Either he’s uncoachable or inept. He swings and misses more than a windmill. Someone needs to get his attention. He doesn’t belong in the middle of the order. I’m tired of him jerking his head around with every swing and fixated for no reason on pulling the ball. Maybe he’s just stupid.

That's not real Christian of you there " Galatians" calling a guy inept and stupid because he had a bad baseball game. Just a little pointer. You make yourself look completely un-knowledgeable about the sport when you are triggered by a bad game and start nasty threads and act like a child about the man's poor performance.

It’s more than just a bad game. Gorman hasn’t had an OPS above .700 since 2023. He has a .285 OBP% and .384 SLG% over his last 942 PA. No OBP above .300 in any of the last 3 years, and no SLG% above .400 in any of the last 3 years.

Never been one like him

[dugoutrex]

hard to teach a uni

[dugoutrex]

Either he’s uncoachable or inept. He swings and misses more than a windmill. Someone needs to get his attention. He doesn’t belong in the middle of the order. I’m tired of him jerking his head around with every swing and fixated for no reason on pulling the ball. Maybe he’s just stupid.

That's not real Christian of you there " Galatians" calling a guy inept and stupid because he had a bad baseball game. Just a little pointer. You make yourself look completely un-knowledgeable about the sport when you are triggered by a bad game and start nasty threads and act like a child about the man's poor performance.

there's no hate like Christian love

[bccardsfan]

In Norman's defense, he has looked pretty darn good on D. Also, he is trying very hard to be selective at the plate, and yes, he fails. But laying off the bad pitches in that AB and getting the walk is a good sign. He is still susceptible to the high heat and the off speed stuff. That change up made a lot of guys look bad yesterday.... Stormin' Norman is who he is, but at least the D is passable. He can sure crush a mistake though... Barring injury, he will be our third baseman this season most games..... deal with it. If we had a really good OF bat, with Church in CF.... then Norman could drop a spot....

[rockondlouie]

Recalling the useless J.A.G. Saggese instead of B. Jordan was baffling.

Jordan:
8 HR
.320 .371 .598 .970

Only 17 KO's in 132 PA's

Makes no sense going right back to JAGesse who will do nothing but collect splinters when you have a 3rd baseman tearing up AAA.

[Cranny]

In Norman's defense, he has looked pretty darn good on D. Also, he is trying very hard to be selective at the plate, and yes, he fails. But laying off the bad pitches in that AB and getting the walk is a good sign. He is still susceptible to the high heat and the off speed stuff. That change up made a lot of guys look bad yesterday.... Stormin' Norman is who he is, but at least the D is passable. He can sure crush a mistake though... Barring injury, he will be our third baseman this season most games..... deal with it. If we had a really good OF bat, with Church in CF.... then Norman could drop a spot....

He looks like he’s beat when he comes up to the plate.
Whatever confidence he once had is gone.

[Jatalk]

"Galatians" calling a guy inept and stupid because he had a bad baseball game. Just a little pointer. You make yourself look completely un-knowledgeable about the sport when you are triggered by a bad game".

Galatians is correct on they're observation, not only on a game but 4 full seasons and 37 games this season.

Over his career SO Rate NEVER less than 33% when the avg for MLB hitters is 22%

MLB OBP avg is .320 - Gorman only one year of avg .329
MLB SLG avg is .400 - Gorman twice .420 & .478
MLB OPS avg is .750 - Gorman once at .806

Talking just avg and he his not performing at just avg.

One year out 4 yrs and 37 games in hitting MLB avg is not what a middle of order bat is supposed to produce. Galatians is not the Lone Ranger on his perspective and observation of Gorman's performance this year and the previous +4 yrs.

Thanks for the informative post. Rare on CT and I agree with you. The CT critics rarely offer a solution to the problem. We are where we are for the rest of the season unless one of the bench guys proves he is better.

[Carp4Cy]

In Norman's defense, he has looked pretty darn good on D. Also, he is trying very hard to be selective at the plate, and yes, he fails. But laying off the bad pitches in that AB and getting the walk is a good sign. He is still susceptible to the high heat and the off speed stuff. That change up made a lot of guys look bad yesterday.... Stormin' Norman is who he is, but at least the D is passable. He can sure crush a mistake though... Barring injury, he will be our third baseman this season most games..... deal with it. If we had a really good OF bat, with Church in CF.... then Norman could drop a spot....

Bloom should have traded someone for Spencer Jones back in the winter or spring when the Yankees were floating rumors about trading an OF.

Now he’s being promoted today and will probably never become available again.

[ecleme22]

In Norman's defense, he has looked pretty darn good on D. Also, he is trying very hard to be selective at the plate, and yes, he fails. But laying off the bad pitches in that AB and getting the walk is a good sign. He is still susceptible to the high heat and the off speed stuff. That change up made a lot of guys look bad yesterday.... Stormin' Norman is who he is, but at least the D is passable. He can sure crush a mistake though... Barring injury, he will be our third baseman this season most games..... deal with it. If we had a really good OF bat, with Church in CF.... then Norman could drop a spot....

Bloom should have traded someone for Spencer Jones back in the winter or spring when the Yankees were floating rumors about trading an OF.

Now he’s being promoted today and will probably never become available again.

What makes you think HE was available?

[Talkin' Baseball]

In Norman's defense, he has looked pretty darn good on D. Also, he is trying very hard to be selective at the plate, and yes, he fails. But laying off the bad pitches in that AB and getting the walk is a good sign. He is still susceptible to the high heat and the off speed stuff. That change up made a lot of guys look bad yesterday.... Stormin' Norman is who he is, but at least the D is passable. He can sure crush a mistake though... Barring injury, he will be our third baseman this season most games..... deal with it. If we had a really good OF bat, with Church in CF.... then Norman could drop a spot....

Bloom should have traded someone for Spencer Jones back in the winter or spring when the Yankees were floating rumors about trading an OF.

Now he’s being promoted today and will probably never become available again.

He will always be available. Crazy power, but poorer bat to ball skills than Gorman. (Doesn't seem possible, but it's true) The Yankees should trade him for whatever they can get while others are still in their "hopeful" phase with him.

[ClassicO]

I think he needs more PT, but they can't have him in the MOTO. But lord almighty, give Prieto some ABs while he's up here and Urias is on the IL.

They don't have anyone I know of in the minors who is a legit 3B (Blaze's defense puts him at 1B/DH), and it's not like they are going to sign a FA (there are no good ones after 2026), so they need to know if Gorman can be better.

I've said before that it's the organization's black hole if Gorman continues to [shirt] his pants.

[Ozziesfan41]

In Norman's defense, he has looked pretty darn good on D. Also, he is trying very hard to be selective at the plate, and yes, he fails. But laying off the bad pitches in that AB and getting the walk is a good sign. He is still susceptible to the high heat and the off speed stuff. That change up made a lot of guys look bad yesterday.... Stormin' Norman is who he is, but at least the D is passable. He can sure crush a mistake though... Barring injury, he will be our third baseman this season most games..... deal with it. If we had a really good OF bat, with Church in CF.... then Norman could drop a spot....

Bloom should have traded someone for Spencer Jones back in the winter or spring when the Yankees were floating rumors about trading an OF.

Now he’s being promoted today and will probably never become available again.

He will always be available. Crazy power, but poorer bat to ball skills than Gorman. (Doesn't seem possible, but it's true) The Yankees should trade him for whatever they can get while others are still in their "hopeful" phase with him.

Yea he struck out 200 times in just 124 games at AA lol

[bccardsfan]

In Norman's defense, he has looked pretty darn good on D. Also, he is trying very hard to be selective at the plate, and yes, he fails. But laying off the bad pitches in that AB and getting the walk is a good sign. He is still susceptible to the high heat and the off speed stuff. That change up made a lot of guys look bad yesterday.... Stormin' Norman is who he is, but at least the D is passable. He can sure crush a mistake though... Barring injury, he will be our third baseman this season most games..... deal with it. If we had a really good OF bat, with Church in CF.... then Norman could drop a spot....

Bloom should have traded someone for Spencer Jones back in the winter or spring when the Yankees were floating rumors about trading an OF.

Now he’s being promoted today and will probably never become available again.

Well, you know they are going cheap and the development route for OF. I think they would have possibly moved Gorman, but honestly, he has little value right now, nor last off season. Unless there was some team that really figured they could fix him. Maybe they could have moved a surplus catcher. They are hoping that Church develops, and of course the real hope is the Baez is the real deal. They seem to be off the hook with Walker so far. Baez and Walker would look really good at the corners provided Baez can actually hit in the show. Church hits enough to be your CFer. So I am sure the hope is the OF develops from within. Now trading for pitching prospects... that might be on the table. If Walker were to turn back into a pumpkin then the whole calculus would change.

I suspect they are hoping the Gorman somehow goes on one of his one month streaks that brings tears to Meeville's eyes... Teasing us again with the unicorn instead of the uniKKKorn look. It sure doesn't look like Gorman can figure it out, but Walker looked horrible too.... hope springs eternal I guess... I didn't think NG could field 3B adequately, but honestly, he doesn't look too bad there now... if he could only make such strides at the plate.

[Talkin' Baseball]

The biggest contribution Gorman is going to make to the Cardinals is whatever they can get back for him. In the past 3 seasons (including this one):

Batting avg. .203 .205 .221
OBP .271 .296 .291
Slug .400 .377 .377
OPS .671 .666 .667
OPS+ 87 90 91

This. is. who. he. is. He has only one season with a WAR over 0.7. This season his defense is noticeably better, his batting avg is a little higher, and his strikeouts are down from the mid-30% to 29%. Perhaps someone would take a look at him? Three contenders that need upgrades at 3B who also happen to play in parks very amenable to LHH, the New York Yankees, the Athletics, and the Philadelphia Phillies. IF there is a market for him, they should explore it.