A strange thought on this current Cardinal team

[sikeston bulldog2]

It was pointed out on a radio program yesterday that basically this is Mo's team developed from the minors. I thought it was an interesting thought.

i listened also. the comparison of the 2011 team winning with essentially Walt's players compared to the MO/Bloom situation was a good thought

I thought it was a good topic and worth passing along the thought to others. These were Mo's players and Bloom has given them a chance to play with the subtraction of a few highly paid players.

Others can argue all they want, but Bloom's rebuild by acquiring young talent for the minors is still to be determined. It looks good, but it takes time.

You are correct. The rebuild is to be determined. But the development side of things are on Bloom.

[ramfandan]

Though some of the young guys started when Mo was here, the fact remains the development and their current play goes to Bloom not Mo.
Just one example" Bloom unloads Contreras and Arenado ( Mo sure didn't ). By doing so , Bloom cleared the decks on two players who didn't have much speed on the basepaths. Result" Oli was forced to play station to station baseball with them as those two especially clogged the bases for taking extra bases by the younger guys etc.
Now once they were out of here. Look at what Oli was able to do with all younger guys. Walker can go from first to third on hits. He can steal a base easier too .
That is just one example .

If Mo was still here (with Contreras/ Arenado ) the young guys would probably not be performing as they are right now.

[RamFan08NY]

True point that they are all players from Mo's regime. In my opinion, the ML roster is better after Bloom pruned the aging, nutrient sucking branches of the tree so the young, healthy, energetic ones could thrive.

Also, there isn't the threat of being sent down after a 5 game batting slump.

[OldRed]

Though some of the young guys started when Mo was here, the fact remains the development and their current play goes to Bloom not Mo.
Just one example" Bloom unloads Contreras and Arenado ( Mo sure didn't ). By doing so , Bloom cleared the decks on two players who didn't have much speed on the basepaths. Result" Oli was forced to play station to station baseball with them as those two especially clogged the bases for taking extra bases by the younger guys etc.
Now once they were out of here. Look at what Oli was able to do with all younger guys. Walker can go from first to third on hits. He can steal a base easier too .
That is just one example .

They were given the opportunity by Bloom's trades. Bloom has nothing to do with the development that happens in the minors, it is opportunity.

[sikeston bulldog2]

True point that they are all players from Mo's regime. In my opinion, the ML roster is better after Bloom pruned the aging, nutrient sucking branches of the tree so the young, healthy, energetic ones could thrive.

Also, there isn't the threat of being sent down after a 5 game batting slump.

Unless. When Noot returns. Someone goes away. That’s my point towards chemistry. Don’t mess with nothing.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Though some of the young guys started when Mo was here, the fact remains the development and their current play goes to Bloom not Mo.
Just one example" Bloom unloads Contreras and Arenado ( Mo sure didn't ). By doing so , Bloom cleared the decks on two players who didn't have much speed on the basepaths. Result" Oli was forced to play station to station baseball with them as those two especially clogged the bases for taking extra bases by the younger guys etc.
Now once they were out of here. Look at what Oli was able to do with all younger guys. Walker can go from first to third on hits. He can steal a base easier too .
That is just one example .

They were given the opportunity by Bloom's trades. Bloom has nothing to do with the development that happens in the minors, it is opportunity.

I disagree/ the entire environmental mindset has changed. What bloom acquired is his. What he inherited he removed a lot.

Now that they are developing, it belongs to Bloom his system and his personnel.

And- if you got to take credit for the awww chits, you should get credit for the atta boys as well.

[OldRed]

Though some of the young guys started when Mo was here, the fact remains the development and their current play goes to Bloom not Mo.
Just one example" Bloom unloads Contreras and Arenado ( Mo sure didn't ). By doing so , Bloom cleared the decks on two players who didn't have much speed on the basepaths. Result" Oli was forced to play station to station baseball with them as those two especially clogged the bases for taking extra bases by the younger guys etc.
Now once they were out of here. Look at what Oli was able to do with all younger guys. Walker can go from first to third on hits. He can steal a base easier too .
That is just one example .

They were given the opportunity by Bloom's trades. Bloom has nothing to do with the development that happens in the minors, it is opportunity.

I disagree/ the entire environmental mindset has changed. What bloom acquired is his. What he inherited he removed a lot.

Now that they are developing, it belongs to Bloom his system and his personnel.

And- if you got to take credit for the awww chits, you should get credit for the atta boys as well.

Agree. But these are still Mo's players, drafted, signed and brought their minors. Clearing house was needed for sure, but who have they acquired that has made them better? It has been a process of moving the parts to the right spot. And I guess Oli deserves some credit also.

[ramfandan]

Though some of the young guys started when Mo was here, the fact remains the development and their current play goes to Bloom not Mo.
Just one example" Bloom unloads Contreras and Arenado ( Mo sure didn't ). By doing so , Bloom cleared the decks on two players who didn't have much speed on the basepaths. Result" Oli was forced to play station to station baseball with them as those two especially clogged the bases for taking extra bases by the younger guys etc.
Now once they were out of here. Look at what Oli was able to do with all younger guys. Walker can go from first to third on hits. He can steal a base easier too .
That is just one example .

They were given the opportunity by Bloom's trades. Bloom has nothing to do with the development that happens in the minors, it is opportunity.

Bloom has a lot to do with the development that happens in the minors for Bloom , Cerfolio , Pierpont, etc. first decide where a minor leaguer is placed. Ex. This year they decided to put Doyle at Double A rather than Peoria High A as I read that they felt the hitters would be more challenging for Doyle and he would experience some failure facing those guys. They know how competitive so felt for his development it best he face competition at a higher level. As with Doyle, Bloom also oversees and thru meetings with Pierpont decide what secondary pitches and the workload that Doyle would have to develop him further . To say that Bloom has nothing to do with development that happens in the minors is inaccurate. Doyle was one example. How Baez is utilized, Rodgrigues etc. is monitored closely by Bloom and directions are given to the minors what Bloom, Cerfolio, etc want done with them.
It is much more than opportunity. Bloom and the upper echelon has a program charted what each of their players should be working to develop that specific player. It is then the job of the minor league instructors, coaches, manager to work on those directives that Bloom and his top aides lay out for them .

[OldRed]

Though some of the young guys started when Mo was here, the fact remains the development and their current play goes to Bloom not Mo.
Just one example" Bloom unloads Contreras and Arenado ( Mo sure didn't ). By doing so , Bloom cleared the decks on two players who didn't have much speed on the basepaths. Result" Oli was forced to play station to station baseball with them as those two especially clogged the bases for taking extra bases by the younger guys etc.
Now once they were out of here. Look at what Oli was able to do with all younger guys. Walker can go from first to third on hits. He can steal a base easier too .
That is just one example .

They were given the opportunity by Bloom's trades. Bloom has nothing to do with the development that happens in the minors, it is opportunity.

Bloom has a lot to do with the development that happens in the minors for Bloom , Cerfolio , Pierpont, etc. first decide where a minor leaguer is placed. Ex. This year they decided to put Doyle at Double A rather than Peoria High A as I read that they felt the hitters would be more challenging for Doyle and he would experience some failure facing those guys. They know how competitive so felt for his development it best he face competition at a higher level. As with Doyle, Bloom also oversees and thru meetings with Pierpont decide what secondary pitches and the workload that Doyle would have to develop him further . To say that Bloom has nothing to do with development that happens in the minors is inaccurate. Doyle was one example. How Baez is utilized, Rodgrigues etc. is monitored closely by Bloom and directions are given to the minors what Bloom, Cerfolio, etc want done with them.

That is true, but has nothing to do with the current Cardinal roster.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Though some of the young guys started when Mo was here, the fact remains the development and their current play goes to Bloom not Mo.
Just one example" Bloom unloads Contreras and Arenado ( Mo sure didn't ). By doing so , Bloom cleared the decks on two players who didn't have much speed on the basepaths. Result" Oli was forced to play station to station baseball with them as those two especially clogged the bases for taking extra bases by the younger guys etc.
Now once they were out of here. Look at what Oli was able to do with all younger guys. Walker can go from first to third on hits. He can steal a base easier too .
That is just one example .

They were given the opportunity by Bloom's trades. Bloom has nothing to do with the development that happens in the minors, it is opportunity.

I disagree/ the entire environmental mindset has changed. What bloom acquired is his. What he inherited he removed a lot.

Now that they are developing, it belongs to Bloom his system and his personnel.

And- if you got to take credit for the awww chits, you should get credit for the atta boys as well.

Agree. But these are still Mo's players, drafted, signed and brought their minors. Clearing house was needed for sure, but who have they acquired that has made them better? It has been a process of moving the parts to the right spot. And I guess Oli deserves some credit also.

That’s a good post. I concur. Good work.

[ramfandan]

Though some of the young guys started when Mo was here, the fact remains the development and their current play goes to Bloom not Mo.
Just one example" Bloom unloads Contreras and Arenado ( Mo sure didn't ). By doing so , Bloom cleared the decks on two players who didn't have much speed on the basepaths. Result" Oli was forced to play station to station baseball with them as those two especially clogged the bases for taking extra bases by the younger guys etc.
Now once they were out of here. Look at what Oli was able to do with all younger guys. Walker can go from first to third on hits. He can steal a base easier too .
That is just one example .

They were given the opportunity by Bloom's trades. Bloom has nothing to do with the development that happens in the minors, it is opportunity.

Bloom has a lot to do with the development that happens in the minors for Bloom , Cerfolio , Pierpont, etc. first decide where a minor leaguer is placed. Ex. This year they decided to put Doyle at Double A rather than Peoria High A as I read that they felt the hitters would be more challenging for Doyle and he would experience some failure facing those guys. They know how competitive so felt for his development it best he face competition at a higher level. As with Doyle, Bloom also oversees and thru meetings with Pierpont decide what secondary pitches and the workload that Doyle would have to develop him further . To say that Bloom has nothing to do with development that happens in the minors is inaccurate. Doyle was one example. How Baez is utilized, Rodgrigues etc. is monitored closely by Bloom and directions are given to the minors what Bloom, Cerfolio, etc want done with them.

That is true, but has nothing to do with the current Cardinal roster.

Really, for the couple years Bloom has been here he has had his top people develop instruction for Victor Scott II, Church , JJ as examples of three players that are on this current roster. I didn't address the pitchers

[Rocket Scientist]

Mo is gone, Team is very watchable. Who knew? Everybody but Mo.

[OldRed]

Though some of the young guys started when Mo was here, the fact remains the development and their current play goes to Bloom not Mo.
Just one example" Bloom unloads Contreras and Arenado ( Mo sure didn't ). By doing so , Bloom cleared the decks on two players who didn't have much speed on the basepaths. Result" Oli was forced to play station to station baseball with them as those two especially clogged the bases for taking extra bases by the younger guys etc.
Now once they were out of here. Look at what Oli was able to do with all younger guys. Walker can go from first to third on hits. He can steal a base easier too .
That is just one example .

They were given the opportunity by Bloom's trades. Bloom has nothing to do with the development that happens in the minors, it is opportunity.

Bloom has a lot to do with the development that happens in the minors for Bloom , Cerfolio , Pierpont, etc. first decide where a minor leaguer is placed. Ex. This year they decided to put Doyle at Double A rather than Peoria High A as I read that they felt the hitters would be more challenging for Doyle and he would experience some failure facing those guys. They know how competitive so felt for his development it best he face competition at a higher level. As with Doyle, Bloom also oversees and thru meetings with Pierpont decide what secondary pitches and the workload that Doyle would have to develop him further . To say that Bloom has nothing to do with development that happens in the minors is inaccurate. Doyle was one example. How Baez is utilized, Rodgrigues etc. is monitored closely by Bloom and directions are given to the minors what Bloom, Cerfolio, etc want done with them.

That is true, but has nothing to do with the current Cardinal roster.

Really, for the couple years Bloom has been here he has had his top people develop instruction for Victor Scott II, Church , JJ as examples of three players that are on this current roster. I didn't address the pitchers

You missed my point completely. Those were still all players drafted and signed by Mo. We have to see what Bloom drafts and signs and how many become MLB players.

[Cranny]

Bloom bought highly sophisticated new training equipment and hired the coaches who know how to teach with it. My guess is that some of the major league players had trips to Jupiter and some time with that equipment and those instructors.

[ecleme22]

Though some of the young guys started when Mo was here, the fact remains the development and their current play goes to Bloom not Mo.
Just one example" Bloom unloads Contreras and Arenado ( Mo sure didn't ). By doing so , Bloom cleared the decks on two players who didn't have much speed on the basepaths. Result" Oli was forced to play station to station baseball with them as those two especially clogged the bases for taking extra bases by the younger guys etc.
Now once they were out of here. Look at what Oli was able to do with all younger guys. Walker can go from first to third on hits. He can steal a base easier too .
That is just one example .

They were given the opportunity by Bloom's trades. Bloom has nothing to do with the development that happens in the minors, it is opportunity.

Bloom has a lot to do with the development that happens in the minors for Bloom , Cerfolio , Pierpont, etc. first decide where a minor leaguer is placed. Ex. This year they decided to put Doyle at Double A rather than Peoria High A as I read that they felt the hitters would be more challenging for Doyle and he would experience some failure facing those guys. They know how competitive so felt for his development it best he face competition at a higher level. As with Doyle, Bloom also oversees and thru meetings with Pierpont decide what secondary pitches and the workload that Doyle would have to develop him further . To say that Bloom has nothing to do with development that happens in the minors is inaccurate. Doyle was one example. How Baez is utilized, Rodgrigues etc. is monitored closely by Bloom and directions are given to the minors what Bloom, Cerfolio, etc want done with them.

That is true, but has nothing to do with the current Cardinal roster.

Really, for the couple years Bloom has been here he has had his top people develop instruction for Victor Scott II, Church , JJ as examples of three players that are on this current roster. I didn't address the pitchers

You missed my point completely. Those were still all players drafted and signed by Mo. We have to see what Bloom drafts and signs and how many become MLB players.

I’m not worried at all.

[Cranny]

My guess is that Bloom had an important hand in the drafts since he joined the Cardinals.