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It's time for Church in CF and

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It's time for Church in CF and Fermin in LF.

What do you think?
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Re: It's time for Church in CF and

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OldRed wrote: 04 May 2026 08:23 am It's time for Church in CF and Fermin in LF.

What do you think?
Move must be made gently. Scott to fourth outfielder. Pinch runner, defensive sub, spot starts.

BUT the move is Torres.
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Re: It's time for Church in CF and

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sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 04 May 2026 08:26 am
OldRed wrote: 04 May 2026 08:23 am It's time for Church in CF and Fermin in LF.

What do you think?
Move must be made gently. Scott to fourth outfielder. Pinch runner, defensive sub, spot starts.

BUT the move is Torres.
Bryan Torres — St. Louis Cardinals Minor League Player
Bryan Torres is a 28-year-old left-handed batting, right-handed throwing outfielder.

Not another left-handed hitter who is 5'7" and a 28-year-old rookie.
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Re: It's time for Church in CF and

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My preferred scenario is that Scott would play CF and rebuild his value and would be traded at the deadline to a team needing a defense first center fielder.

Two flaws with my preference: 1) He doesn't seem to be rebuilding any value with playing time. The trajectory is not good. 2) Assuming he begins to do better, people will begin to say we shouldn't trade him.
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Re: It's time for Church in CF and

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OldRed wrote: 04 May 2026 08:31 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 04 May 2026 08:26 am
OldRed wrote: 04 May 2026 08:23 am It's time for Church in CF and Fermin in LF.

What do you think?
Move must be made gently. Scott to fourth outfielder. Pinch runner, defensive sub, spot starts.

BUT the move is Torres.
Bryan Torres — St. Louis Cardinals Minor League Player
Bryan Torres is a 28-year-old left-handed batting, right-handed throwing outfielder.

Not another left-handed hitter who is 5'7" and a 28-year-old rookie.
I wouldn’t hold his age against him. He took the long road but so did Riley O. His size isn’t prototypical by any means and he won’t provide traditional power for the position, but nothing wrong with strong OBP while we’re kind of getting “makeup” power from 2B.

The left-handed thing is admittedly the downside. If not Torres, I’m with you on Fermin as a much better alternative. He’s earned it too. This is the time where results should be rewarded. No way to sort out a roster than rewarding performance.
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Re: It's time for Church in CF and

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I would like Torres, he would be a good piece to bat 9th

2B Wetherholt
C Herrera
1B Burleson
RF Walker
3B Gorman
DH Blaze Jordan
CF Church
C Pages
LF Torres / Fermin
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Re: It's time for Church in CF and

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CorneliusWolfe wrote: 04 May 2026 08:41 am
OldRed wrote: 04 May 2026 08:31 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 04 May 2026 08:26 am
OldRed wrote: 04 May 2026 08:23 am It's time for Church in CF and Fermin in LF.

What do you think?
Move must be made gently. Scott to fourth outfielder. Pinch runner, defensive sub, spot starts.

BUT the move is Torres.
Bryan Torres — St. Louis Cardinals Minor League Player
Bryan Torres is a 28-year-old left-handed batting, right-handed throwing outfielder.

Not another left-handed hitter who is 5'7" and a 28-year-old rookie.
I wouldn’t hold his age against him. He took the long road but so did Riley O. His size isn’t prototypical by any means and he won’t provide traditional power for the position, but nothing wrong with strong OBP while we’re kind of getting “makeup” power from 2B.

The left-handed thing is admittedly the downside. If not Torres, I’m with you on Fermin as a much better alternative. He’s earned it too. This is the time where results should be rewarded. No way to sort out a roster than rewarding performance.
I want him to get at least a 2 month run this year. I'm not mad if they decide he isn't going to get a shot, but if that is the case would be extremely puzzled as to why he holds a 40 man roster spot.
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Re: It's time for Church in CF and

Post by CorneliusWolfe »

Talkin' Baseball wrote: 04 May 2026 08:45 am
CorneliusWolfe wrote: 04 May 2026 08:41 am
OldRed wrote: 04 May 2026 08:31 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 04 May 2026 08:26 am
OldRed wrote: 04 May 2026 08:23 am It's time for Church in CF and Fermin in LF.

What do you think?
Move must be made gently. Scott to fourth outfielder. Pinch runner, defensive sub, spot starts.

BUT the move is Torres.
Bryan Torres — St. Louis Cardinals Minor League Player
Bryan Torres is a 28-year-old left-handed batting, right-handed throwing outfielder.

Not another left-handed hitter who is 5'7" and a 28-year-old rookie.
I wouldn’t hold his age against him. He took the long road but so did Riley O. His size isn’t prototypical by any means and he won’t provide traditional power for the position, but nothing wrong with strong OBP while we’re kind of getting “makeup” power from 2B.

The left-handed thing is admittedly the downside. If not Torres, I’m with you on Fermin as a much better alternative. He’s earned it too. This is the time where results should be rewarded. No way to sort out a roster than rewarding performance.
I want him to get at least a 2 month run this year. I'm not mad if they decide he isn't going to get a shot, but if that is the case would be extremely puzzled as to why he holds a 40 man roster spot.
Two months is fair enough. As far as him taking a roster spot, I’d say depth is a good enough reason (for now) since Church is a rookie and could falter too. Also injury insurance. VS glove is good enough to bring him back up if needed in a pinch.
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Re: It's time for Church in CF and

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Talkin' Baseball wrote: 04 May 2026 08:45 am
CorneliusWolfe wrote: 04 May 2026 08:41 am
OldRed wrote: 04 May 2026 08:31 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 04 May 2026 08:26 am
OldRed wrote: 04 May 2026 08:23 am It's time for Church in CF and Fermin in LF.

What do you think?
Move must be made gently. Scott to fourth outfielder. Pinch runner, defensive sub, spot starts.

BUT the move is Torres.
Bryan Torres — St. Louis Cardinals Minor League Player
Bryan Torres is a 28-year-old left-handed batting, right-handed throwing outfielder.

Not another left-handed hitter who is 5'7" and a 28-year-old rookie.
I wouldn’t hold his age against him. He took the long road but so did Riley O. His size isn’t prototypical by any means and he won’t provide traditional power for the position, but nothing wrong with strong OBP while we’re kind of getting “makeup” power from 2B.

The left-handed thing is admittedly the downside. If not Torres, I’m with you on Fermin as a much better alternative. He’s earned it too. This is the time where results should be rewarded. No way to sort out a roster than rewarding performance.
I want him to get at least a 2 month run this year. I'm not mad if they decide he isn't going to get a shot, but if that is the case would be extremely puzzled as to why he holds a 40 man roster spot.




He is an insurance policy.
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Re: It's time for Church in CF and

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OldRed wrote: 04 May 2026 08:31 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 04 May 2026 08:26 am
OldRed wrote: 04 May 2026 08:23 am It's time for Church in CF and Fermin in LF.

What do you think?
Move must be made gently. Scott to fourth outfielder. Pinch runner, defensive sub, spot starts.

BUT the move is Torres.
Bryan Torres — St. Louis Cardinals Minor League Player
Bryan Torres is a 28-year-old left-handed batting, right-handed throwing outfielder.

Not another left-handed hitter who is 5'7" and a 28-year-old rookie.
What’s the worst that can happen?
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Re: It's time for Church in CF and

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C-Unit wrote: 04 May 2026 08:42 am I would like Torres, he would be a good piece to bat 9th

2B Wetherholt
C Herrera
1B Burleson
RF Walker
3B Gorman
DH Blaze Jordan
CF Church
C Pages
LF Torres / Fermin
With no SS, defense might be a problem.
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Re: It's time for Church in CF and

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mattmitchl44 wrote: 04 May 2026 09:48 am
C-Unit wrote: 04 May 2026 08:42 am I would like Torres, he would be a good piece to bat 9th

2B Wetherholt
C Herrera
1B Burleson
RF Walker
3B Gorman
DH Blaze Jordan
CF Church
C Pages
LF Torres / Fermin
With no SS, defense might be a problem.
Wow. Well I guess we really do have an excess of catchers in the organization, since they will be taking Masyn Winn's playing time.
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Re: It's time for Church in CF and

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mattmitchl44 wrote: 04 May 2026 09:48 am
C-Unit wrote: 04 May 2026 08:42 am I would like Torres, he would be a good piece to bat 9th

2B Wetherholt
C Herrera
1B Burleson
RF Walker
3B Gorman
DH Blaze Jordan
CF Church
C Pages
LF Torres / Fermin
With no SS, defense might be a problem.
By rule can only have one player in foul territory.
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Re: It's time for Church in CF and

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OldRed wrote: 04 May 2026 08:23 am It's time for Church in CF and Fermin in LF.

What do you think?
I don't think anything different will really happen until Noot comes back. Then we will see a change. They are winning right now and unless that totally stops for an extended period of time why try and fix something that isn't broke? I mean winning games is the objective right?
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Re: It's time for Church in CF and

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Dewey Kuey wrote: 04 May 2026 10:02 am
OldRed wrote: 04 May 2026 08:23 am It's time for Church in CF and Fermin in LF.

What do you think?
I don't think anything different will really happen until Noot comes back. Then we will see a change. They are winning right now and unless that totally stops for an extended period of time why try and fix something that isn't broke? I mean winning games is the objective right?
Why does being better just stop if you have a winning record, instead of being best team you can be, being first in the division or league?
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Re: It's time for Church in CF and

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Clubmaker2 wrote: 04 May 2026 12:05 pm
Dewey Kuey wrote: 04 May 2026 10:02 am
OldRed wrote: 04 May 2026 08:23 am It's time for Church in CF and Fermin in LF.

What do you think?
I don't think anything different will really happen until Noot comes back. Then we will see a change. They are winning right now and unless that totally stops for an extended period of time why try and fix something that isn't broke? I mean winning games is the objective right?
Why does being better just stop if you have a winning record, instead of being best team you can be, being first in the division or league?
Reread what you just wrote and try to rephrase it so it makes sense. Your first part is a question and the last is a statement. I'm not sure what you are try to either say, or ask.